Comments on: The Roof and the Root http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-210204 PS Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:59:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-210204 <p><i>Kaka, here is an article by a Chinese-American about how he thinks Michael Chan is disadvantaged by 'inherent' physical traits. The author is somewhat self-loathing (like you) but at least the dude has a sense of humor (unlike you). </i></p> <p>There's so much been written on how much the Chinese government spends on Olympic training, even during a period when extensive famines were going through the country. I'm not sure how much the Indian govt spends on Olympic training but I'm sure it's minuscule compared to other countries. Comparing issues like this by nationality or descent is rather stupid b/c it compares w/o using context - a way that many racists or model minority proponents come up with their deductions to push stereotypes of people. As for me, if I'm supposed to make it even to Indian point or past it, I'll have to stop with my smoking but my sis who's always played sports and is in great shape I'm sure would be able to at least get past Indian point :)</p> Kaka, here is an article by a Chinese-American about how he thinks Michael Chan is disadvantaged by ‘inherent’ physical traits. The author is somewhat self-loathing (like you) but at least the dude has a sense of humor (unlike you).

There’s so much been written on how much the Chinese government spends on Olympic training, even during a period when extensive famines were going through the country. I’m not sure how much the Indian govt spends on Olympic training but I’m sure it’s minuscule compared to other countries. Comparing issues like this by nationality or descent is rather stupid b/c it compares w/o using context – a way that many racists or model minority proponents come up with their deductions to push stereotypes of people. As for me, if I’m supposed to make it even to Indian point or past it, I’ll have to stop with my smoking but my sis who’s always played sports and is in great shape I’m sure would be able to at least get past Indian point :)

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By: rar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-210200 rar Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:53:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-210200 <p>in goa, while renting a kayak, the owner suggested wearing a life jacket. i asked if it was absolutely necessary and pointed to several europeans rowing away without them. the owner responded "indians no good swimmers like foreign peoples". he certainly couldn't be referring to the the remarkably fit locals and fisherfolk, but rather the bandy-legged potbellied urbanites on holiday..</p> in goa, while renting a kayak, the owner suggested wearing a life jacket. i asked if it was absolutely necessary and pointed to several europeans rowing away without them. the owner responded “indians no good swimmers like foreign peoples”. he certainly couldn’t be referring to the the remarkably fit locals and fisherfolk, but rather the bandy-legged potbellied urbanites on holiday..

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By: ananya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-210146 ananya Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:18:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-210146 <ol> <li>my_dog_jagat</li> </ol> <p>good for you for sorting it all out</p>
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    By: a gift for kaka http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-210127 a gift for kaka Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:14:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-210127 <p>Kaka, <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2194929/">here</a> is an article by a Chinese-American about how he thinks Michael Chan is disadvantaged by 'inherent' physical traits. The author is somewhat self-loathing (like you) but at least the dude has a sense of humor (unlike you).</p> <blockquote> To great fanfare, he had his racket company, Prince, design a stick that was one inch longer than the industry standard. It improved his serving angle but also reminded everyone that Chinese guys had to compensate for genetic shortcomings besides our height. Where did Prince add that inch of length? To the shaft, naturally.</blockquote> Kaka, here is an article by a Chinese-American about how he thinks Michael Chan is disadvantaged by ‘inherent’ physical traits. The author is somewhat self-loathing (like you) but at least the dude has a sense of humor (unlike you).

    To great fanfare, he had his racket company, Prince, design a stick that was one inch longer than the industry standard. It improved his serving angle but also reminded everyone that Chinese guys had to compensate for genetic shortcomings besides our height. Where did Prince add that inch of length? To the shaft, naturally.
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    By: not James Watson http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209972 not James Watson Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:43:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209972 <p>my_dog_jagat, kaka @ 72 mentions a junior math olympiad where indian students are not performing upto par. i commented in context of that observation. i've no doubt as to the academic ability of indians (never having suffered from kakaesque self-loathing or mao worshiping) -- but i don't think we have a hegemony (or any country for that matter) on academic brilliance. there are (obviously) many factors which lead to a nation performing poorly or well in competitions; most of these reasons are (probably) structural and institutional, rather than reflective of 'inherent' traits prevalent among particular nationalities.</p> <p>if you trained physically supple indian girls to be olympian gymnasts from a young age, gave them the great nutrition etc etc, they'd probably be as successful as competitors from the erstwhile east bloc. i'm not endorsing this. one, i'm not a believer in regimenting kids to perform so that some idiots can experience national pride. two, when i see intellectual or physical achievement, i'm happy/inspired/jealous regardless of the nationality or phenotype of the people. three, my pride in being indian is entirely independant of how we're doing in cricket, olympics, mountaineering, or math olympiads. i love it because i was born and raised there; had i been belonged to another country, all of that love would be transferred to that geography. it's that simple.</p> <p>SM intern, I apologize for the diversion.</p> my_dog_jagat, kaka @ 72 mentions a junior math olympiad where indian students are not performing upto par. i commented in context of that observation. i’ve no doubt as to the academic ability of indians (never having suffered from kakaesque self-loathing or mao worshiping) — but i don’t think we have a hegemony (or any country for that matter) on academic brilliance. there are (obviously) many factors which lead to a nation performing poorly or well in competitions; most of these reasons are (probably) structural and institutional, rather than reflective of ‘inherent’ traits prevalent among particular nationalities.

    if you trained physically supple indian girls to be olympian gymnasts from a young age, gave them the great nutrition etc etc, they’d probably be as successful as competitors from the erstwhile east bloc. i’m not endorsing this. one, i’m not a believer in regimenting kids to perform so that some idiots can experience national pride. two, when i see intellectual or physical achievement, i’m happy/inspired/jealous regardless of the nationality or phenotype of the people. three, my pride in being indian is entirely independant of how we’re doing in cricket, olympics, mountaineering, or math olympiads. i love it because i was born and raised there; had i been belonged to another country, all of that love would be transferred to that geography. it’s that simple.

    SM intern, I apologize for the diversion.

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    By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209967 my_dog_jagat Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:46:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209967 <p>not Watson at 75:</p> <blockquote>indian athletes could do with improvement; so could <b>our academic ability</b>;</blockquote> <p>Huh??? and huh again. The only people I want to work with these days (a recent development after a lifetime spent in kakaesque self-loathing) are Indians. They're simply the best. I work with applied math (which might explain the bias) but I've done lots of other things. Can see why you're not James Watson.</p> not Watson at 75:

    indian athletes could do with improvement; so could our academic ability;

    Huh??? and huh again. The only people I want to work with these days (a recent development after a lifetime spent in kakaesque self-loathing) are Indians. They’re simply the best. I work with applied math (which might explain the bias) but I’ve done lots of other things. Can see why you’re not James Watson.

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    By: khoofia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209950 khoofia Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:15:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209950 <blockquote>This post is about South Asian influences in East Africa.</blockquote> <p>sort of randomly on topic. <a href="http://olympics.thestar.com/2008/athletes/461181">this guy deol</a> will be repping canada in the oly. he was born in lusaka and his pops repped kenya in three olys. if you delete this post, the wrath of all desiettes will descend on ye. lord guruvayurappa knows they dont get any dates and they hang around blogs waiting for desi eye candy. so this is in the pubic interest.</p> This post is about South Asian influences in East Africa.

    sort of randomly on topic. this guy deol will be repping canada in the oly. he was born in lusaka and his pops repped kenya in three olys. if you delete this post, the wrath of all desiettes will descend on ye. lord guruvayurappa knows they dont get any dates and they hang around blogs waiting for desi eye candy. so this is in the pubic interest.

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    By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209948 RahulD Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:48:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209948 <p>Marcus Samuelsson, had a cookbook on African food, and it integrates a lot of Indian spices into African food - it is also a wonderful reminder of all the cultural exchange through the ages that has happened. I love African food and the lingering Indian flavors in it, I'd reccomend it to anyone who want to infuse newer flavors to their Indian food to pick the book up.</p> <p>http://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Cuisine-Discovery-Flavors/dp/0764569112</p> Marcus Samuelsson, had a cookbook on African food, and it integrates a lot of Indian spices into African food – it is also a wonderful reminder of all the cultural exchange through the ages that has happened. I love African food and the lingering Indian flavors in it, I’d reccomend it to anyone who want to infuse newer flavors to their Indian food to pick the book up.

    http://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Cuisine-Discovery-Flavors/dp/0764569112

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    By: not James Watson http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209946 not James Watson Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:38:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209946 <p><i>72 · <b>Kaka</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005296.html#comment209943">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Actually, people of african ancestry (from Africa, Carribean, the Americas) have won at least twice as many Nobel Prizes as people of desi ancestry (from India, Pakistan, Caribbean, America), despite being fewer in number.</blockquote> <p>exactly what i'm saying: you can't use tail ends to compute precise averages; you need all values. also, i'm not sure how you crowned indians/south asians with the least physically fit title. the methodology remains unclear.</p> <p>and yes, indian athletes could do with improvement; so could our academic ability; and so could our record with malnutrition. beyond these truisms and standard criticisms of india can you say something more illuminating? why don't you develop a code, type 1 when you want to diss corruption, 2 when you want to talk about overpopulation, 3 for caste, and so forth. Your views are well-known here, and no novel data is being expressed at this point.</p> 72 · Kaka said

    Actually, people of african ancestry (from Africa, Carribean, the Americas) have won at least twice as many Nobel Prizes as people of desi ancestry (from India, Pakistan, Caribbean, America), despite being fewer in number.

    exactly what i’m saying: you can’t use tail ends to compute precise averages; you need all values. also, i’m not sure how you crowned indians/south asians with the least physically fit title. the methodology remains unclear.

    and yes, indian athletes could do with improvement; so could our academic ability; and so could our record with malnutrition. beyond these truisms and standard criticisms of india can you say something more illuminating? why don’t you develop a code, type 1 when you want to diss corruption, 2 when you want to talk about overpopulation, 3 for caste, and so forth. Your views are well-known here, and no novel data is being expressed at this point.

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    By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/19/the_roof_and_th/comment-page-2/#comment-209945 RahulD Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:35:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5296#comment-209945 <p>Abhi</p> <p>This was a great post. Thank you</p> Abhi

    This was a great post. Thank you

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