Comments on: Ashwin Madia Outraising his Opponent in Minnesota http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Very Sikh, and very sick of all wars. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209328 Very Sikh, and very sick of all wars. Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:51:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209328 <p>Unfortunately, and I say this with the utmost earnestness, a potential congressional office holder will HAVE to support, at least rhetorically, the efforts of small groups pushing to expand the current war into Iran, lest he wind up with torrents of cash flowing into the campaigns of his opponents. An unenviable position for an anti-war Iraq veteran for sure. I hope he does not compromise his principles in this respect. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the standing of Barack Obama to voice a strong (even compromised) opinion against this possibility, and I doubt his skin color will do him any good, if it makes an effect at all.</p> Unfortunately, and I say this with the utmost earnestness, a potential congressional office holder will HAVE to support, at least rhetorically, the efforts of small groups pushing to expand the current war into Iran, lest he wind up with torrents of cash flowing into the campaigns of his opponents. An unenviable position for an anti-war Iraq veteran for sure. I hope he does not compromise his principles in this respect. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have the standing of Barack Obama to voice a strong (even compromised) opinion against this possibility, and I doubt his skin color will do him any good, if it makes an effect at all.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209254 MD Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:56:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209254 <p>Good for Ashwin Madia (I know I have some relatives who are very happy campers in MN right now)</p> <p>Manish_Y - thanks for your service, and, well, I was gonna to reply to some of the stuff you said, but Rahul said it all better than I could have. I disagree with Ashwin Madia on many things politically, but, I don't assume that because I disagree with him, he is not sincere in his beliefs. Also, if he's gonna be a successful politician, he will, at some point, pander.</p> <p>(By the standards of some around SM'er, my Indian born, India raised parents wouldn't be properly Indian enough for some of you.....)</p> Good for Ashwin Madia (I know I have some relatives who are very happy campers in MN right now)

Manish_Y – thanks for your service, and, well, I was gonna to reply to some of the stuff you said, but Rahul said it all better than I could have. I disagree with Ashwin Madia on many things politically, but, I don’t assume that because I disagree with him, he is not sincere in his beliefs. Also, if he’s gonna be a successful politician, he will, at some point, pander.

(By the standards of some around SM’er, my Indian born, India raised parents wouldn’t be properly Indian enough for some of you…..)

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By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209247 RahulD Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:29:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209247 <p><i>36 · <b><a href="http://www.scienceblogs.com/gnxp" rel="nofollow">razib</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005293.html#comment209243">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/21994898/The+Golden+Book+of+Chemistry?tab=summary">Entheogen Theory of Myth, Religion and Death</a></p> 36 · razib said

If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.

Entheogen Theory of Myth, Religion and Death

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209243 razib Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:19:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209243 <p><i>SAT's have a less than significant correlation with EVERYTHING.</i></p> <p>??? ;-) lol.</p> <p><i>If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.</i></p> <p>???</p> SAT’s have a less than significant correlation with EVERYTHING.

??? ;-) lol.

If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.

???

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By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209240 RahulD Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:11:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209240 <p>Razib</p> <p>We already went over this. Your research in this regard is based on narrow charecterizations that do not take into account multiple factors such as economic and socio-political dynamics. They do not take into account linguistic development, cultural sensitivity.</p> <p>SAT's have a less than significant correlation with EVERYTHING. So do grades, and IQ tests do not take into account numerous factors. If you want evidence, start at the B.I.T.C.H-100 test results and research.</p> <p>Look up Terror Management THeory research to derive more plausible explanations for certain religious inclinations and then pick up some Foucault and/or Marshall McLuhan for some light reading. Maybe then you might find more socio-economic factors that you will take into account.</p> <p>When you cannot, cannot, produce multiple sources, where the findings have been replicated through parallel instruments your findings cannot be generalizable or universal. There is a certain responsibility that Intellectuals have, the overriding notion of which is the application of the findings scientific research in a proper manner. You are NOT doing that. If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.</p> Razib

We already went over this. Your research in this regard is based on narrow charecterizations that do not take into account multiple factors such as economic and socio-political dynamics. They do not take into account linguistic development, cultural sensitivity.

SAT’s have a less than significant correlation with EVERYTHING. So do grades, and IQ tests do not take into account numerous factors. If you want evidence, start at the B.I.T.C.H-100 test results and research.

Look up Terror Management THeory research to derive more plausible explanations for certain religious inclinations and then pick up some Foucault and/or Marshall McLuhan for some light reading. Maybe then you might find more socio-economic factors that you will take into account.

When you cannot, cannot, produce multiple sources, where the findings have been replicated through parallel instruments your findings cannot be generalizable or universal. There is a certain responsibility that Intellectuals have, the overriding notion of which is the application of the findings scientific research in a proper manner. You are NOT doing that. If we arrive at conclusions the way you seem to be, then we can all start believing in the hallucinogenic theory of civilization, shoot up and wait for progress to occur.

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209236 razib Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209236 <p><i>I don't think being Evangelical has any correlation with being a moron.</i></p> <p>uh, sorry, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/05/biblical_literalism_or_low_iq.php">it</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/02/pentecostals_are_stupid_unitar.php">does</a>.</p> I don’t think being Evangelical has any correlation with being a moron.

uh, sorry, it does.

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By: Manish_Y http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209234 Manish_Y Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:57:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209234 <p>Rahul,</p> <p>Very well put. I'm sorry about my tirade. Enough of my mental masturbation. Gotta get back to work.</p> <p>Regards, Manish</p> Rahul,

Very well put. I’m sorry about my tirade. Enough of my mental masturbation. Gotta get back to work.

Regards, Manish

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By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209231 RahulD Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:38:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209231 <p><i>31 · <b>Manish_Y</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005293.html#comment209230">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Rahul, Please spare me the Dinesh D'Souza "model minority label" crap. Trust me I know that Jindal is reaching out to all of his constituents who happen to be Evangelical gora morons. Got that. I'm happy to be liberal and not ashamed of it. Not all of subscribe to the Republican agenda either. Manish</blockquote> <p>If there is anyone I hate in the "my opinion on India" crowd, it is Dinesh D'Souza - I repeat, I HATE that guy. I don't think being Evangelical has any correlation with being a moron.</p> <p>The Republican "agenda". Well my Republican Agenda is not the same as Jindal's, I'm Pro-Choice for starters.</p> <p>I still believe that you should not make your race into a significant determinant of your culture, just the same way you do not want others to judge you differently based on your race. We are falling into the "self-hating-Jew" territory when we do that.</p> <p>I don't think you should be ashamed of yourself for being a Progressive...I don't know what I said implied that?</p> <p>Jindal is an American, born into a certain culture where he had experiences that led him to be the individual he is. As for his religion, people convert all the time. The manifestation of Santana Dharma today is a result of the several philosophical conversions that our ancestors had, hence morally we cannot denounce any conversion made by rational-fully informed individuals as being "selling out". It is as hypocritical as Hypocrites himself. I only wish that Jaspal Bhatti was relevant enough to have a field day with all this identity-hoopla among Indians about Jindal.</p> 31 · Manish_Y said

Rahul, Please spare me the Dinesh D’Souza “model minority label” crap. Trust me I know that Jindal is reaching out to all of his constituents who happen to be Evangelical gora morons. Got that. I’m happy to be liberal and not ashamed of it. Not all of subscribe to the Republican agenda either. Manish

If there is anyone I hate in the “my opinion on India” crowd, it is Dinesh D’Souza – I repeat, I HATE that guy. I don’t think being Evangelical has any correlation with being a moron.

The Republican “agenda”. Well my Republican Agenda is not the same as Jindal’s, I’m Pro-Choice for starters.

I still believe that you should not make your race into a significant determinant of your culture, just the same way you do not want others to judge you differently based on your race. We are falling into the “self-hating-Jew” territory when we do that.

I don’t think you should be ashamed of yourself for being a Progressive…I don’t know what I said implied that?

Jindal is an American, born into a certain culture where he had experiences that led him to be the individual he is. As for his religion, people convert all the time. The manifestation of Santana Dharma today is a result of the several philosophical conversions that our ancestors had, hence morally we cannot denounce any conversion made by rational-fully informed individuals as being “selling out”. It is as hypocritical as Hypocrites himself. I only wish that Jaspal Bhatti was relevant enough to have a field day with all this identity-hoopla among Indians about Jindal.

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By: Manish_Y http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209230 Manish_Y Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:28:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209230 <p><i>27 · <B>RahulD</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005293.html#comment209221">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>25· Manish_Y: <I>really look up to people whatever their age who represent Indians and also other members of the subcontinent in a positive light. I don't think Mr. Jindal does this, he panders to goras.</I> I think many people have a much different view of who represents Indians and how...I think Jindal does just fine, and pandering to your fellow Americans and your constituents is not a bad thing. It actually is what an American elected to office is supposed to do. 16. Razib: <I>ok, i was impolitic. so let me rephrase: people in the american south are less fluent in symbolic logic and have a relatively depauperate lexicon ;-)</I> I still think your research does not take into account all variables, but it is rather comprehensive. However, I would like to point out a simple statistic, that exists a negative correlation between the amount of condescension associated with someone who doles out information and the receptiveness of the audience it is doled out to. </blockquote> <p>Rahul,</p> <p>Please spare me the Dinesh D'Souza "model minority label" crap. Trust me I know that Jindal is reaching out to all of his constituents who happen to be Evangelical gora morons. Got that. I'm happy to be liberal and not ashamed of it.</p> <p>Not all of subscribe to the Republican agenda either.</p> <p>Manish</p> 27 · RahulD said

25· Manish_Y: really look up to people whatever their age who represent Indians and also other members of the subcontinent in a positive light. I don’t think Mr. Jindal does this, he panders to goras. I think many people have a much different view of who represents Indians and how…I think Jindal does just fine, and pandering to your fellow Americans and your constituents is not a bad thing. It actually is what an American elected to office is supposed to do. 16. Razib: ok, i was impolitic. so let me rephrase: people in the american south are less fluent in symbolic logic and have a relatively depauperate lexicon ;-) I still think your research does not take into account all variables, but it is rather comprehensive. However, I would like to point out a simple statistic, that exists a negative correlation between the amount of condescension associated with someone who doles out information and the receptiveness of the audience it is doled out to.

Rahul,

Please spare me the Dinesh D’Souza “model minority label” crap. Trust me I know that Jindal is reaching out to all of his constituents who happen to be Evangelical gora morons. Got that. I’m happy to be liberal and not ashamed of it.

Not all of subscribe to the Republican agenda either.

Manish

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/16/ashwin_madia_ou/comment-page-1/#comment-209225 razib Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:53:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5293#comment-209225 <p>r-squared 's OK ;-)</p> r-squared ‘s OK ;-)

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