Comments on: Riddikulus! (updated) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209603 nil Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:36:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209603 <p>Not sure if this thread is still active but the NYT has an editorial today that tries to explain why this satire is a little difficult to pass off. It goes to the argument that this particular satire was not very well execulted. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinreview/20seigel.html?ref=politics">(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinreview/20seigel.html?ref=politics)</a></p> <blockquote>The problem is that the cartoon accurately portrays a ridiculous real-life caricature that exists as literal fact in the minds of some people, and it portrays it in terms that are absolutely true to that caricature. An analogous instance would have been a cartoon without commentary appearing in a liberal Northern newspaper in the 1920s — a time when Southern violence against blacks was unabated — that showed a black man raping a white woman while eating a watermelon. The effect of accurately reproducing such a ridiculous image that dwelled unridiculously in the minds of some people would have been merely to broaden its vicious reach. The adherents of that image would have gone unsatirized and untouched.</blockquote> Not sure if this thread is still active but the NYT has an editorial today that tries to explain why this satire is a little difficult to pass off. It goes to the argument that this particular satire was not very well execulted. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinreview/20seigel.html?ref=politics)

The problem is that the cartoon accurately portrays a ridiculous real-life caricature that exists as literal fact in the minds of some people, and it portrays it in terms that are absolutely true to that caricature. An analogous instance would have been a cartoon without commentary appearing in a liberal Northern newspaper in the 1920s — a time when Southern violence against blacks was unabated — that showed a black man raping a white woman while eating a watermelon. The effect of accurately reproducing such a ridiculous image that dwelled unridiculously in the minds of some people would have been merely to broaden its vicious reach. The adherents of that image would have gone unsatirized and untouched.
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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209299 melbourne desi Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:23:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209299 <blockquote>she says that in her ideal world she would live in Australia and work in the US. I always thought that was interesting.</blockquote> <p>Absolutely. So would I. Had to make a choice between USA and Oz. Life beat work but it was a close fight. The deciding factor was the mess of the INS in the USA and I dont like illegal migrants. No queue jumpers, please.</p> she says that in her ideal world she would live in Australia and work in the US. I always thought that was interesting.

Absolutely. So would I. Had to make a choice between USA and Oz. Life beat work but it was a close fight. The deciding factor was the mess of the INS in the USA and I dont like illegal migrants. No queue jumpers, please.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209255 MD Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:03:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209255 <p>Now, <b>Obama</b> says the cartoon offends Muslim Americans (or, I read a headline saying that, somewhere). Did he really say that? Oy vey. This is gonna be a long four years......</p> <p><b>Melbourne Desi</b> - that's cool, all that moving around! I have a good friend and colleague in Boston who worked in the UK, Melbourne, and Boston as a doc and she says that in her ideal world she would live in Australia and work in the US. I always thought that was interesting.</p> Now, Obama says the cartoon offends Muslim Americans (or, I read a headline saying that, somewhere). Did he really say that? Oy vey. This is gonna be a long four years……

Melbourne Desi – that’s cool, all that moving around! I have a good friend and colleague in Boston who worked in the UK, Melbourne, and Boston as a doc and she says that in her ideal world she would live in Australia and work in the US. I always thought that was interesting.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209228 Manju Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:05:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209228 <p>How (double) smears originate (from the link in 183):</p> <p>The morning after Obama locked up the nomination, I was writing a "Trailhead" item that mocked the media's difficulty in figuring out what to call the now famous gesture. "Fist-pound," "knuckle-bump," and "fist-to-fist thumbs up" were among the funnier examples, but one of them—"Hezbollah-style fist jab"—was particularly risible. It came from the Web site for Human Events, a hard-right weekly. Unfortunately, I failed to note that its provenance was not the magazine itself but a reader comment posted below an unrelated column by Cal Thomas. I linked the phrase to the column but didn't explain that the words weren't Thomas'.</p> <p>Many "Trailhead" readers clicked through to Thomas' column and, not finding the phrase there, assumed that Thomas or his bosses had wiped it from his column. What really happened, it seems, is that Human Events removed the reader comment after many other readers posted comments taking offense and/or debunking it. These latter comments remained, while the comment that provoked the outrage vanished into thin air, creating further confusion about its origin.</p> <p>When I realized the confusion I'd helped cause, I posted a correction. But it was too late. Liberal bloggers from all over had already seized on the phrase. Time and Politico misreported that the words were Thomas'. Then, fatefully, Fox News anchor E.D. Hill jauntily paraphrased "Hezbollah-style fist jab" on air as "terrorist fist jab." Hill wasn't endorsing the phrase, but she failed to make clear that she was citing someone else's characterization. She apologized the next day but lost her show anyway.</p> How (double) smears originate (from the link in 183):

The morning after Obama locked up the nomination, I was writing a “Trailhead” item that mocked the media’s difficulty in figuring out what to call the now famous gesture. “Fist-pound,” “knuckle-bump,” and “fist-to-fist thumbs up” were among the funnier examples, but one of them—”Hezbollah-style fist jab”—was particularly risible. It came from the Web site for Human Events, a hard-right weekly. Unfortunately, I failed to note that its provenance was not the magazine itself but a reader comment posted below an unrelated column by Cal Thomas. I linked the phrase to the column but didn’t explain that the words weren’t Thomas’.

Many “Trailhead” readers clicked through to Thomas’ column and, not finding the phrase there, assumed that Thomas or his bosses had wiped it from his column. What really happened, it seems, is that Human Events removed the reader comment after many other readers posted comments taking offense and/or debunking it. These latter comments remained, while the comment that provoked the outrage vanished into thin air, creating further confusion about its origin.

When I realized the confusion I’d helped cause, I posted a correction. But it was too late. Liberal bloggers from all over had already seized on the phrase. Time and Politico misreported that the words were Thomas’. Then, fatefully, Fox News anchor E.D. Hill jauntily paraphrased “Hezbollah-style fist jab” on air as “terrorist fist jab.” Hill wasn’t endorsing the phrase, but she failed to make clear that she was citing someone else’s characterization. She apologized the next day but lost her show anyway.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209227 amaun Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:56:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209227 <p><i>Omigosh, finally, someone who sees that this is SATIRE-- hellloooooo. I grew up with the New Yorker on my coffee table and right away it was clear to me what this cover was conveying-- the absurdity of a "terrorist fist bump". It saddens me that people are so literal they would use an extremely smart-- not to mention frickin' funny-- cover such as this to further their own ignorant, racist points of view.</i></p> <p>I recently saw the movie Clueless.</p> Omigosh, finally, someone who sees that this is SATIRE– hellloooooo. I grew up with the New Yorker on my coffee table and right away it was clear to me what this cover was conveying– the absurdity of a “terrorist fist bump”. It saddens me that people are so literal they would use an extremely smart– not to mention frickin’ funny– cover such as this to further their own ignorant, racist points of view.

I recently saw the movie Clueless.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209226 Manju Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:54:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209226 <blockquote>The alliance between them represented by the “terrorist fist-jab” </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2195347/">"I'm pretty sure that I'm the one who put it in circulation"</a></p> The alliance between them represented by the “terrorist fist-jab”

“I’m pretty sure that I’m the one who put it in circulation”

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By: pingpong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209179 pingpong Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:36:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209179 <p>Melbourne Desi:</p> <blockquote>to call an Aboriginal an Abo is the equivalent of using of the "N" word. </blockquote> <p>Be glad that he didn't choose his handle to be "boong".</p> Melbourne Desi:

to call an Aboriginal an Abo is the equivalent of using of the “N” word.

Be glad that he didn’t choose his handle to be “boong”.

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By: Chevalier http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209169 Chevalier Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:45:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209169 <p>Funny how <a href="http://www.tnr.com/currentissue/index.html?pubdate=05.07.08&publication=The+New+Republic">this </a>was never brought up in a post by ennis/sepia mutiny. That one was as horrifying, if not more, since it was in earnest, and wasnt even an attempt at satire.</p> <p>And one cover is as related to south asians/desis in America as the other.</p> Funny how this was never brought up in a post by ennis/sepia mutiny. That one was as horrifying, if not more, since it was in earnest, and wasnt even an attempt at satire.

And one cover is as related to south asians/desis in America as the other.

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By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209162 Nayagan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:31:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209162 <p>if you define 'conservative media' solely as Human Events, Fox, Townhall, Malkin/Hotair, AceofSpades, Little Green Footballs, RenewAmerica, Don Surber, Free Republic etc then the cover seems incomplete as satire, because it fails to capture the desperate lurch from "Obama-Muslimofascist" to "Obama-Commie/Amurrica Hater/Regular Motions-Havin' Elitist" that most of these outlets haven't been able to avoid as the former approach ran into some credibility problems of it's own.</p> if you define ‘conservative media’ solely as Human Events, Fox, Townhall, Malkin/Hotair, AceofSpades, Little Green Footballs, RenewAmerica, Don Surber, Free Republic etc then the cover seems incomplete as satire, because it fails to capture the desperate lurch from “Obama-Muslimofascist” to “Obama-Commie/Amurrica Hater/Regular Motions-Havin’ Elitist” that most of these outlets haven’t been able to avoid as the former approach ran into some credibility problems of it’s own.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/14/riddikulus/comment-page-4/#comment-209160 Manju Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:08:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5291#comment-209160 <p>We desis should also consider that the New Yorker is a very unfriendly place for Browns. After all, look what they did to Tina.</p> We desis should also consider that the New Yorker is a very unfriendly place for Browns. After all, look what they did to Tina.

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