Comments on: Sam Manekshaw and Obama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: manoj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-261136 manoj Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:08:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-261136 <p>Just a point of clarification. The rank of field marshal was not honorary. It was real, a reward for his role in India's great military victory in 1971. Subsequent elevations, such as that of Gen Cariappa or Marshal of the Air Force Arjan Singh could be seen as honorary as they were given well after they had retired. They were clearly an afterthought. But Sam's rank was deserved. By the way, a Field Marshal never retires, he is in service till he dies. Neither does he salute, he merely raises the Field Marshal's baton.</p> Just a point of clarification. The rank of field marshal was not honorary. It was real, a reward for his role in India’s great military victory in 1971. Subsequent elevations, such as that of Gen Cariappa or Marshal of the Air Force Arjan Singh could be seen as honorary as they were given well after they had retired. They were clearly an afterthought. But Sam’s rank was deserved. By the way, a Field Marshal never retires, he is in service till he dies. Neither does he salute, he merely raises the Field Marshal’s baton.

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By: amalan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-208077 amalan Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:39:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-208077 <p>"What benefit does the campaign get from this? It wont help them with this Indian government if Obama becomes POTUS; neither the defense minister, nor the service chiefs, nor a single member of parliament were at the funeral."</p> <p>Ennis, please.</p> <p>You are an american citizen. Leave Indian affairs and behaviour for our criticism. if you may, please go ahead and post about Bush and his teams behaviour all you wish.</p> <p>What benefit? let's not be naive. As an indian citizen who has been here enough, I can easily see that it is only to court funds and donations that Obama has developed this new love for Sam Manekshaw. I am sure if he was asked the day before Mr. Manekshaw passed away, he would not have had a clue. Let's not make it look like Obamais some kind of saviour who is more Indian than an actual Indian.</p> <p>Your post would have been more classy had it not been for the dig about Indian politicians/govt. You have your own country to criticize. Till you are an Indian citizen, or are living in India, try to avoid criticizing India.</p> <p>Oh, I have spoken against, however politely, one of the gods of sepiamutiny. let's see how long it is before the dictatorial overzealous intern bans me :) guesses anyone?</p> “What benefit does the campaign get from this? It wont help them with this Indian government if Obama becomes POTUS; neither the defense minister, nor the service chiefs, nor a single member of parliament were at the funeral.”

Ennis, please.

You are an american citizen. Leave Indian affairs and behaviour for our criticism. if you may, please go ahead and post about Bush and his teams behaviour all you wish.

What benefit? let’s not be naive. As an indian citizen who has been here enough, I can easily see that it is only to court funds and donations that Obama has developed this new love for Sam Manekshaw. I am sure if he was asked the day before Mr. Manekshaw passed away, he would not have had a clue. Let’s not make it look like Obamais some kind of saviour who is more Indian than an actual Indian.

Your post would have been more classy had it not been for the dig about Indian politicians/govt. You have your own country to criticize. Till you are an Indian citizen, or are living in India, try to avoid criticizing India.

Oh, I have spoken against, however politely, one of the gods of sepiamutiny. let’s see how long it is before the dictatorial overzealous intern bans me :) guesses anyone?

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By: Tanuja http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-208008 Tanuja Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:30:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-208008 <p>I'm a little put-off by Obama's continuing double-speak.</p> <p>He definitely commented on the India-US nuclear deal, saying that he was against it (and nuclear proliferation in general). So the fact that he's just trying to ham up Indian votes - confirmed by name-dropping Preeta Bansal - a catch name in the up-and-coming educated Indian community for virtually any politician or social advocate - is a huge turn-off.</p> <p>This is, of course, a problem with US politicians in general - there was only one ambassador to the 'South Asia' region til 1991, when the then-Ambassador recommended that each country get its own ambassador, considering how different the nations and their political sentiments were.</p> <p>But coming back to the point - Obama definitely isn't getting my vote by just sticking an Indian face on his campaign roster, and then going around promising to crush burgeoning Indo-US relations. It's a pity Indians who are serving on Obama's board - or raising money and publicity for him, like the Chatwals - don't get that!</p> I’m a little put-off by Obama’s continuing double-speak.

He definitely commented on the India-US nuclear deal, saying that he was against it (and nuclear proliferation in general). So the fact that he’s just trying to ham up Indian votes – confirmed by name-dropping Preeta Bansal – a catch name in the up-and-coming educated Indian community for virtually any politician or social advocate – is a huge turn-off.

This is, of course, a problem with US politicians in general – there was only one ambassador to the ‘South Asia’ region til 1991, when the then-Ambassador recommended that each country get its own ambassador, considering how different the nations and their political sentiments were.

But coming back to the point – Obama definitely isn’t getting my vote by just sticking an Indian face on his campaign roster, and then going around promising to crush burgeoning Indo-US relations. It’s a pity Indians who are serving on Obama’s board – or raising money and publicity for him, like the Chatwals – don’t get that!

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207896 cookiebrown Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:33:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207896 <p>One of the better overseas obits...</p> <p>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/2242405/Field-Marshal-Sam-Manekshaw.html</p> One of the better overseas obits…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/2242405/Field-Marshal-Sam-Manekshaw.html

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207871 louiecypher Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:11:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207871 <p>Thanks for the history/geography lesson. What does a wink signify in the real world? What does a wink emoticon signify when used online? Now I understand why dancing midgets are the mainstay of Indian humor</p> <blockquote>South Asia includes Bangladesh, right? Or is it only one nation? Careful sir! This is a South Asian blog! Please remember India had refused to get involved until repeatedly asked to help the starving and tormented Bangladeshis. No one was interested in dismembering Pakistan even though Pak portrays this event as such. No one in or from Pak remembers that it was the terrible treatment given by Pakistan to Bengali Muslims that created Bangladesh.</blockquote> Thanks for the history/geography lesson. What does a wink signify in the real world? What does a wink emoticon signify when used online? Now I understand why dancing midgets are the mainstay of Indian humor

South Asia includes Bangladesh, right? Or is it only one nation? Careful sir! This is a South Asian blog! Please remember India had refused to get involved until repeatedly asked to help the starving and tormented Bangladeshis. No one was interested in dismembering Pakistan even though Pak portrays this event as such. No one in or from Pak remembers that it was the terrible treatment given by Pakistan to Bengali Muslims that created Bangladesh.
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By: bkurien http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207869 bkurien Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:53:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207869 <p><i>30 · <b>jyotsana</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005274.html#comment207615">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>20 · <b>louiecypher</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005274.html#comment207582">said</a></i> <blockquote>louiecypher on July 2, 2008 07:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote�(?)The dismemberment of Pakistan makes you feel warm inside? Careful sir this is a South Asian blog ;-)</blockquote> South Asia includes Bangladesh, right? Or is it only one nation? Careful sir! This is a South Asian blog! </blockquote> <p>Please remember India had refused to get involved until repeatedly asked to help the starving and tormented Bangladeshis. No one was interested in dismembering Pakistan even though Pak portrays this event as such. No one in or from Pak remembers that it was the terrible treatment given by Pakistan to Bengali Muslims that created Bangladesh.</p> 30 · jyotsana said

20 · louiecypher said
louiecypher on July 2, 2008 07:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote�(?)The dismemberment of Pakistan makes you feel warm inside? Careful sir this is a South Asian blog ;-)
South Asia includes Bangladesh, right? Or is it only one nation? Careful sir! This is a South Asian blog!

Please remember India had refused to get involved until repeatedly asked to help the starving and tormented Bangladeshis. No one was interested in dismembering Pakistan even though Pak portrays this event as such. No one in or from Pak remembers that it was the terrible treatment given by Pakistan to Bengali Muslims that created Bangladesh.

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By: NYC Chatwala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207831 NYC Chatwala Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:57:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207831 <p><i>60 · <b>sardar</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005274.html#comment207789">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>At least there was a Sikh...he's more than a good enough rep for the Hindus. With your statement, you clearly define the word chutiya.</blockquote> Chutiya is what any self-respecting sikh will call you, chatwala, for saying he is a hindu..... </blockquote> <p>Chutiya is what YOU are for taking my words out of context. I said he's a good enough representative. Anyway, I know plenty of Sikhs who would strongly disagree with your statement.</p> 60 · sardar said

At least there was a Sikh…he’s more than a good enough rep for the Hindus. With your statement, you clearly define the word chutiya.
Chutiya is what any self-respecting sikh will call you, chatwala, for saying he is a hindu…..

Chutiya is what YOU are for taking my words out of context. I said he’s a good enough representative. Anyway, I know plenty of Sikhs who would strongly disagree with your statement.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207797 my_dog_jagat Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:46:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207797 <blockquote>Most of the SM commenters here are skinny, brown folks who attend(ed) some Ivy league school </blockquote> <p>skinny? I haven't seen a skinny brown person since I myself put on a few pounds a couple of years ago.</p> Most of the SM commenters here are skinny, brown folks who attend(ed) some Ivy league school

skinny? I haven’t seen a skinny brown person since I myself put on a few pounds a couple of years ago.

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By: sardar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207789 sardar Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:10:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207789 <blockquote>At least there was a Sikh...he's more than a good enough rep for the Hindus. With your statement, you clearly define the word chutiya.</blockquote> <p>Chutiya is what any self-respecting sikh will call you, chatwala, for saying he is a hindu.....</p> At least there was a Sikh…he’s more than a good enough rep for the Hindus. With your statement, you clearly define the word chutiya.

Chutiya is what any self-respecting sikh will call you, chatwala, for saying he is a hindu…..

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By: TheBrownChamp http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/02/sam_manekshaw_a/comment-page-2/#comment-207783 TheBrownChamp Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:37:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5274#comment-207783 <p>LOL @ y'all commenting about army, war and patriotism. Most of the SM commenters here are skinny, brown folks who attend(ed) some Ivy league school and is now/will working for NASA/Microsoft/The US State Department/etc.</p> LOL @ y’all commenting about army, war and patriotism. Most of the SM commenters here are skinny, brown folks who attend(ed) some Ivy league school and is now/will working for NASA/Microsoft/The US State Department/etc.

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