Comments on: The Arranged Marriage World … is Flat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208035 SM Intern Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:27:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208035 <p>Y'all, the thread has gone on for a while and it's going to sleep for a while. No specific violation of policy, just a general jumpage of the shark.</p> Y’all, the thread has gone on for a while and it’s going to sleep for a while. No specific violation of policy, just a general jumpage of the shark.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208034 HMF Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:19:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208034 <p><i>that black/brown power is considered a virtue but white power considered evil,</i></p> <p>the two go hand in hand, black/brown solidarity is accepted (and was once a necessary virtue) BECAUSE white power was evil, in fact whitness and power (in a racial sense) were synonymous, white power is a meaningless term. white implies power.</p> that black/brown power is considered a virtue but white power considered evil,

the two go hand in hand, black/brown solidarity is accepted (and was once a necessary virtue) BECAUSE white power was evil, in fact whitness and power (in a racial sense) were synonymous, white power is a meaningless term. white implies power.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208033 HMF Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:17:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208033 <p><i>well, by accusing woc of self-hatred for dating outside their race, but avoiding that label when describing whites who do the same thing,</i></p> <p>whites don't grant poc individuality, it's just not self hatred when they date out of race because poc have more in common with each other rather than simply racial superiority, whites do not. what binds them is that they are historicaly privileged.</p> <p><i>so why are you taking Meena to task for her entirely sensible observation that a Western European like herself probably wouldn't be compatible with your average DBD?</i></p> <p>Im not taking her to task, Im saying that generalisations exist irrespective of the number of people you generalize on. but her assertion was less desis in the US than white people, hence generalizing against them is more justified, and Im saying we generalize against them because it's an artifact of white privilege. Whites are granted individuality (and in many cases, superiority) where as we are not.</p> well, by accusing woc of self-hatred for dating outside their race, but avoiding that label when describing whites who do the same thing,

whites don’t grant poc individuality, it’s just not self hatred when they date out of race because poc have more in common with each other rather than simply racial superiority, whites do not. what binds them is that they are historicaly privileged.

so why are you taking Meena to task for her entirely sensible observation that a Western European like herself probably wouldn’t be compatible with your average DBD?

Im not taking her to task, Im saying that generalisations exist irrespective of the number of people you generalize on. but her assertion was less desis in the US than white people, hence generalizing against them is more justified, and Im saying we generalize against them because it’s an artifact of white privilege. Whites are granted individuality (and in many cases, superiority) where as we are not.

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By: Amba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208032 Amba Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:13:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208032 <p>HMF, you apparently don't have a problem with Opinionated's assertion that DBD men are overwhelmingly more socially conservative than Western men (including South Asian men raised in the West), so why are you taking Meena to task for her entirely sensible observation that a Western European like herself probably wouldn't be compatible with your average DBD?</p> HMF, you apparently don’t have a problem with Opinionated’s assertion that DBD men are overwhelmingly more socially conservative than Western men (including South Asian men raised in the West), so why are you taking Meena to task for her entirely sensible observation that a Western European like herself probably wouldn’t be compatible with your average DBD?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208031 Manju Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:08:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208031 <p><i>268 · <B>HMF</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005262.html#comment208027">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>granting white men their individuality on a person to person basis, while a small sample of Indian men</blockquote> <p>well, by accusing woc of self-hatred for dating outside their race, but avoiding that label when describing whites who do the same thing, aren't you pigeonholing woc into a particular culture while allowing whites the individual freedom to appropriate any cultural values without repercussions.</p> <p>that black/brown power is considered a virtue but white power considered evil, is the ultimate expression of white privilege.</p> 268 · HMF said

granting white men their individuality on a person to person basis, while a small sample of Indian men

well, by accusing woc of self-hatred for dating outside their race, but avoiding that label when describing whites who do the same thing, aren’t you pigeonholing woc into a particular culture while allowing whites the individual freedom to appropriate any cultural values without repercussions.

that black/brown power is considered a virtue but white power considered evil, is the ultimate expression of white privilege.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208030 HMF Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:28:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208030 <p><i> you two</i></p> <p>FUCK. should read "you too"</p> you two

FUCK. should read “you too”

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208029 HMF Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:25:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208029 <p><i>more numbers there are, the less problematic it i</i></p> <p>this should rad</p> <p>"more numbers there are, the <b>more</b> problematic it is"</p> more numbers there are, the less problematic it i

this should rad

“more numbers there are, the more problematic it is”

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208027 HMF Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:22:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208027 <p><i>MY* reasoning is warped? The more you post, the less I can follow.</i></p> <p>Then read vikrams link, or <a href = "http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Science-Robin-Baker/dp/0788160044">this</a>, or <a href = "http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Boys-Love-Them-Leave/dp/0525941169">this</a>.</p> <p><i>And pray tell where does your number of 'half a million Indian men' come from and exactly where did I generalise them?</i></p> <p>The population of the Indian subcontinent is approximately 1 billion, 50 % of them are male, approximately. (probably more), I corrected myself later when I said Billion instead of million.</p> <p>You provided a statement, which you later said you stood behind:</p> <p><b>"the number one reason why I most likely won't marry a DBD - the cultural difference is just too big, and I was raised with values that don't coincide with the values of most men in India."</b></p> <p>which indicates two things:</p> <ol> <li>almost 500,000,000 men in India share a value system</li> <li>That value system is likely substandard (in your eyes), and isn't shared by you.</li> </ol> <p>Now, instead of tippy-toeing on these abstract terms, like "raised with values that don't coincide" you can come out and just say what you really mean.</p> <p>All this was in response to your statement that the more numbers there are, the <i>less</i> problematic it is to generalize behavior, what you fail to understand is , you two are falling pry to white privilege, and granting white men their individuality on a person to person basis, while a small sample of Indian men , you'll easily graft to the larger group without batting an eye.</p> MY* reasoning is warped? The more you post, the less I can follow.

Then read vikrams link, or this, or this.

And pray tell where does your number of ‘half a million Indian men’ come from and exactly where did I generalise them?

The population of the Indian subcontinent is approximately 1 billion, 50 % of them are male, approximately. (probably more), I corrected myself later when I said Billion instead of million.

You provided a statement, which you later said you stood behind:

“the number one reason why I most likely won’t marry a DBD – the cultural difference is just too big, and I was raised with values that don’t coincide with the values of most men in India.”

which indicates two things:

  1. almost 500,000,000 men in India share a value system
  2. That value system is likely substandard (in your eyes), and isn’t shared by you.

Now, instead of tippy-toeing on these abstract terms, like “raised with values that don’t coincide” you can come out and just say what you really mean.

All this was in response to your statement that the more numbers there are, the less problematic it is to generalize behavior, what you fail to understand is , you two are falling pry to white privilege, and granting white men their individuality on a person to person basis, while a small sample of Indian men , you’ll easily graft to the larger group without batting an eye.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208023 Meena Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:12:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208023 <p>I can assure you that I am far too young to be bitter! I'm also slightly miffed you seem to think that I am in my thirties. But just slightly.</p> <p>Nice try though.</p> I can assure you that I am far too young to be bitter! I’m also slightly miffed you seem to think that I am in my thirties. But just slightly.

Nice try though.

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By: Kev http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/24/write_a_book_fi/comment-page-6/#comment-208021 Kev Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:06:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5262#comment-208021 <p>There is no question that the non-desis in US are more exciting and sexually alluring to the desi’s than the other desi’s. Desi guys and girls are usually formal and consequently quite dull and boring with each other. But with the non-desi’s these same desi’s can become crazy, passionate and alive! It’s great for the sexually active desi girl, and by a similar token also for the desi guy. However once these people enter their 30’s, the desi guys suddenly have more options for settling down(including going to the desh), and most do avail of it. On the other hand, the desi girl’s options start to dwindle. She finds most of her abd peers already taken, her non-desi lovers fickle and unable to commit, and the thought of going to the desh for a mate positively revolting. And then she starts getting angry and bitter with the injustice of it all (like International Enquirer, Meena, Jain Doe, etc). And before she knows it, she is in her 40s and she turns positively pathetic (still single, completely lost her freshness and charms, and not recognizing it). It is not exactly fair, but c'est la vie!</p> There is no question that the non-desis in US are more exciting and sexually alluring to the desi’s than the other desi’s. Desi guys and girls are usually formal and consequently quite dull and boring with each other. But with the non-desi’s these same desi’s can become crazy, passionate and alive! It’s great for the sexually active desi girl, and by a similar token also for the desi guy. However once these people enter their 30’s, the desi guys suddenly have more options for settling down(including going to the desh), and most do avail of it. On the other hand, the desi girl’s options start to dwindle. She finds most of her abd peers already taken, her non-desi lovers fickle and unable to commit, and the thought of going to the desh for a mate positively revolting. And then she starts getting angry and bitter with the injustice of it all (like International Enquirer, Meena, Jain Doe, etc). And before she knows it, she is in her 40s and she turns positively pathetic (still single, completely lost her freshness and charms, and not recognizing it). It is not exactly fair, but c’est la vie!

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