Comments on: Hijabs and such not very photogenic (update) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206848 rar Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:54:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206848 <p>i don't mind the obama campaign being politically shrewd at this moment and allowing "the end to justify the means" in this particular instance. it was probably a bit counterproductive, however, given that he's going to take thousand of such pictures over the campaign, and even if some xenophobes exploited the hijab pic to stir up suspicion of him, i doubt they could have got much mileage out of it. whichever campaign staff members turned away the hijabis while trying to "protect" barack, weren't doing him much of a favor. as an obama supporter, my only concern is that these defenders of him now will eventual become his gatekeepers. the more these gatekeepers resemble white yuppies, the more concerned i will be.</p> i don’t mind the obama campaign being politically shrewd at this moment and allowing “the end to justify the means” in this particular instance. it was probably a bit counterproductive, however, given that he’s going to take thousand of such pictures over the campaign, and even if some xenophobes exploited the hijab pic to stir up suspicion of him, i doubt they could have got much mileage out of it. whichever campaign staff members turned away the hijabis while trying to “protect” barack, weren’t doing him much of a favor. as an obama supporter, my only concern is that these defenders of him now will eventual become his gatekeepers. the more these gatekeepers resemble white yuppies, the more concerned i will be.

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By: Obama Mama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206840 Obama Mama Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:37:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206840 <p><i>131 · <b>Political Analysis</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005257.html#comment206804">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote> most ignorant (white) American voters WOULD focus on the presence of hijabs... </blockquote> That was a racist statement. To be fair, there are alot of ignorant black Americans (christians) who would focus on that as well. What to speak of anti-muslim hispanics and desis! </blockquote> <p>The statement wasn't that most white American voters are ignorant, nor did it mean to exclude other subgroups. Sure, white, black, Christian, hispanics, Latinos, desis, etc. may focus on hijabs in the background, but as the biggest racial demographic, the particular group Obama may have the most concern over are ignorant WHITE voters (the same who voted Bush into his second term, DESPITE mounting debts and his low approval ratings at the time).</p> 131 · Political Analysis said

most ignorant (white) American voters WOULD focus on the presence of hijabs…
That was a racist statement. To be fair, there are alot of ignorant black Americans (christians) who would focus on that as well. What to speak of anti-muslim hispanics and desis!

The statement wasn’t that most white American voters are ignorant, nor did it mean to exclude other subgroups. Sure, white, black, Christian, hispanics, Latinos, desis, etc. may focus on hijabs in the background, but as the biggest racial demographic, the particular group Obama may have the most concern over are ignorant WHITE voters (the same who voted Bush into his second term, DESPITE mounting debts and his low approval ratings at the time).

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By: They_call_me_mellow_yellow http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206835 They_call_me_mellow_yellow Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:29:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206835 <p>^^^^^^^^^</p> <p>The quote function didn't work too well there.</p> ^^^^^^^^^

The quote function didn’t work too well there.

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By: They_call_me_mellow_yellow http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206834 They_call_me_mellow_yellow Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:27:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206834 <p><i>128 · <B>Political Analysis</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005257.html#comment206801">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>All political correctness aside, we all know how many (non-muslim)Americans feel about muslim Americans. Moreover, let's face it, there are plenty of racist Americans who do not want to see a non-white person elected president (and of course many sexist Americans who do not want to see a woman Pres or Vice Pres). These are the hard cold facts of the American political scene right now. There are some ignorant Americans who are convinced Obama is a muslim due to his name. Nothing wrong if he is, but we all know how alot of non-muslims would feel about having a muslim President in this country right now. Some Americans don't know what to think. Therefore it is nothing but common sense that at this sensitive point in the game, Obama do all he can to calm the fears and suspicions of all demographics in order to gain more votes. I think he has the vote of many muslim Americans already, regardless, probably especially black muslim Americans. They are a small demographic and to lose a few votes from them is no biggie. To really beat out his opponant by a wide margin, he will have to kowtow to the other demographics (above listed). Later on, when he gets elected, he can take all the photos he wants with hijabis. For know, after the debacle with his previous pastor, he has to walk on eggshells. That's politics. And that's politically correct. </blockquote> <p>I totally agree with this post.</p> <p>Oh yeah. Go Obama!</p> 128 · Political Analysis said

All political correctness aside, we all know how many (non-muslim)Americans feel about muslim Americans. Moreover, let’s face it, there are plenty of racist Americans who do not want to see a non-white person elected president (and of course many sexist Americans who do not want to see a woman Pres or Vice Pres). These are the hard cold facts of the American political scene right now. There are some ignorant Americans who are convinced Obama is a muslim due to his name. Nothing wrong if he is, but we all know how alot of non-muslims would feel about having a muslim President in this country right now. Some Americans don’t know what to think. Therefore it is nothing but common sense that at this sensitive point in the game, Obama do all he can to calm the fears and suspicions of all demographics in order to gain more votes. I think he has the vote of many muslim Americans already, regardless, probably especially black muslim Americans. They are a small demographic and to lose a few votes from them is no biggie. To really beat out his opponant by a wide margin, he will have to kowtow to the other demographics (above listed). Later on, when he gets elected, he can take all the photos he wants with hijabis. For know, after the debacle with his previous pastor, he has to walk on eggshells. That’s politics. And that’s politically correct.

I totally agree with this post.

Oh yeah. Go Obama!

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By: Politcal Analysis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206831 Politcal Analysis Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:30:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206831 <blockquote>to worry about hiding hijab and turban wearers in the back rows while pandering to uneducated, ignorant and racist people (who are very unlikely to swap from the republican ship and vote obama) </blockquote> <p>Some lifelong democrats are suspicious of him. Quite a few.</p> <p>Aside from that, I heard one old man saying for the past 50 years he has voted democrat and now for the first time in his life he has to vote republican. There are democrats like that out there. It's these peeps Obama needs to keep in the democratic camp.</p> to worry about hiding hijab and turban wearers in the back rows while pandering to uneducated, ignorant and racist people (who are very unlikely to swap from the republican ship and vote obama)

Some lifelong democrats are suspicious of him. Quite a few.

Aside from that, I heard one old man saying for the past 50 years he has voted democrat and now for the first time in his life he has to vote republican. There are democrats like that out there. It’s these peeps Obama needs to keep in the democratic camp.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206826 louiecypher Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:10:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206826 <blockquote>gosh i feel sorry for progressive americans, particularly the obama volunteers.</blockquote> <p>For good or bad, I don't believe Obama needs progressives that much. They are numerically small in number. And I'm not saying it is right but I would say the majority of people I know who are voting for Obama probably would not if he practiced Islam. To a certain degree you can infer political beliefs from degree of religiousity (don't 70% of evangelical Xtians vote Repub?) and in this case hijabs are more conspicuous than "WWJD?" bracelets. The typical Obamaniac would probably not have much in common with the hijab wearing set who are <i>likely</i> pro-life, pro-faith based initiatives (before I get attacked, let's remember that CAIR's leadership as individuals endorsed Dubya based on this in 2000). The only thing they have in common is antipathy to the war in Iraq.</p> gosh i feel sorry for progressive americans, particularly the obama volunteers.

For good or bad, I don’t believe Obama needs progressives that much. They are numerically small in number. And I’m not saying it is right but I would say the majority of people I know who are voting for Obama probably would not if he practiced Islam. To a certain degree you can infer political beliefs from degree of religiousity (don’t 70% of evangelical Xtians vote Repub?) and in this case hijabs are more conspicuous than “WWJD?” bracelets. The typical Obamaniac would probably not have much in common with the hijab wearing set who are likely pro-life, pro-faith based initiatives (before I get attacked, let’s remember that CAIR’s leadership as individuals endorsed Dubya based on this in 2000). The only thing they have in common is antipathy to the war in Iraq.

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By: No von Mises http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206823 No von Mises Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:27:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206823 <blockquote>not let foxnews get away with its lie</blockquote> <p>fox news is passe. its opinion farting has been priced into the media market. more worrisome are the other tv news outlets who fart in a kinder, gentler manner.</p> not let foxnews get away with its lie

fox news is passe. its opinion farting has been priced into the media market. more worrisome are the other tv news outlets who fart in a kinder, gentler manner.

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By: tash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206816 tash Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:32:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206816 <p>gosh i feel sorry for progressive americans, particularly the obama volunteers.</p> <p>to worry about hiding hijab and turban wearers in the back rows while pandering to uneducated, ignorant and racist people (who are very unlikely to swap from the republican ship and vote obama) seems like such a shame, regardless of how pragmatic and realistic such decisions are.</p> <p>is it possible that perception feeds reality? maybe ignoring the obama-is-al-qaeda camp will give them less power? last i heard obama is leading in some crucial swing states and he has wide-crossover support.</p> <p>the idea that race would self-destruct the obama campaign is what kept hillary alive for so long. i don't think it should keep stifling the obama campaign, enough americans are non-racist, from diverse backgrounds, educated and savvy enough to make an educated decision.</p> <p>i think a strong number of people who took obama's strong majority away during the dem nomination were those who liked him but feared republicans so stayed with clinton...i hope those same people can vote for obama and not let foxnews get away with its lie that ignorant rednecks are america. i think EVERYONE's ready for a different image of americans.</p> gosh i feel sorry for progressive americans, particularly the obama volunteers.

to worry about hiding hijab and turban wearers in the back rows while pandering to uneducated, ignorant and racist people (who are very unlikely to swap from the republican ship and vote obama) seems like such a shame, regardless of how pragmatic and realistic such decisions are.

is it possible that perception feeds reality? maybe ignoring the obama-is-al-qaeda camp will give them less power? last i heard obama is leading in some crucial swing states and he has wide-crossover support.

the idea that race would self-destruct the obama campaign is what kept hillary alive for so long. i don’t think it should keep stifling the obama campaign, enough americans are non-racist, from diverse backgrounds, educated and savvy enough to make an educated decision.

i think a strong number of people who took obama’s strong majority away during the dem nomination were those who liked him but feared republicans so stayed with clinton…i hope those same people can vote for obama and not let foxnews get away with its lie that ignorant rednecks are america. i think EVERYONE’s ready for a different image of americans.

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By: pingpong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206807 pingpong Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:52:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206807 <p>Seeing commenter names like "Ping Ping" and "Pong Pong" made me think for a second that I had got my own SpoorLam-type parodist, but no such luck.</p> <p>Port:</p> <blockquote>i don't doubt your familiarity with the contours of a rotweiler's arse because you know best where your lips have been.</blockquote> <p>Contemplating cruel and unusual punishment for rottweilers, Port? Is there no end to your un-standable comments?</p> Seeing commenter names like “Ping Ping” and “Pong Pong” made me think for a second that I had got my own SpoorLam-type parodist, but no such luck.

Port:

i don’t doubt your familiarity with the contours of a rotweiler’s arse because you know best where your lips have been.

Contemplating cruel and unusual punishment for rottweilers, Port? Is there no end to your un-standable comments?

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By: Political Analysis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/18/hijabs_and_such/comment-page-3/#comment-206804 Political Analysis Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:32:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5257#comment-206804 <blockquote>Frankly, I'm more concerned with Obama's substantive policies and how they will affect all of us, including hijab-wearers, than a campaign strategy that NECESSARILY<b> accounts for the reality that most ignorant (white) American voters WOULD focus on the presence of hijabs </b>(a highly conspicuous religious AND political garb in America, like the yarmulke and the turban) in the audience, and make a number of mental associations with Obama, which would ultimately be to his detriment.</blockquote> <p>That was a racist statement.</p> <p>To be fair, there are alot of ignorant black Americans (christians) who would focus on that as well.</p> <p>What to speak of anti-muslim hispanics and desis!</p> Frankly, I’m more concerned with Obama’s substantive policies and how they will affect all of us, including hijab-wearers, than a campaign strategy that NECESSARILY accounts for the reality that most ignorant (white) American voters WOULD focus on the presence of hijabs (a highly conspicuous religious AND political garb in America, like the yarmulke and the turban) in the audience, and make a number of mental associations with Obama, which would ultimately be to his detriment.

That was a racist statement.

To be fair, there are alot of ignorant black Americans (christians) who would focus on that as well.

What to speak of anti-muslim hispanics and desis!

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