Comments on: Too close for comfort http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mildred http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-206611 Mildred Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:16:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-206611 <p>I have been recommending a book called "My Stroke of Insight - a Brain Scientist's Personal Journey" by Jill Bolte Taylor and also a TEDTalk Dr. Taylor gave on the TED dot com site. And you don't have to take my word for it - Dr. Taylor was named Time Magazine 100 Most Influential People, the New York Times wrote about her and her book is a NYTimes Bestseller), and Oprah did not 4 interviews with her.</p> I have been recommending a book called “My Stroke of Insight – a Brain Scientist’s Personal Journey” by Jill Bolte Taylor and also a TEDTalk Dr. Taylor gave on the TED dot com site. And you don’t have to take my word for it – Dr. Taylor was named Time Magazine 100 Most Influential People, the New York Times wrote about her and her book is a NYTimes Bestseller), and Oprah did not 4 interviews with her.

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By: Bikhuni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205541 Bikhuni Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:57:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205541 <blockquote>but it bugs me a bit that they don't care they claim to do this within a tradition (thus pulling rank from a tradition) the community of which is very much in disagreement with them.</blockquote> <p>They are just being open about a relationship that many "celibates" have on the downlow because their cultures and communities would not approve.</p> <p>I know from experience.</p> but it bugs me a bit that they don’t care they claim to do this within a tradition (thus pulling rank from a tradition) the community of which is very much in disagreement with them.

They are just being open about a relationship that many “celibates” have on the downlow because their cultures and communities would not approve.

I know from experience.

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By: Anscombe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205422 Anscombe Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:51:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205422 <blockquote>Their partnership, they say, is celibate</blockquote> <p>I assume they follow the <a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/21606.php">prevalent</a> <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2126643/">definition</a> of celibacy?</p> Their partnership, they say, is celibate

I assume they follow the prevalent definition of celibacy?

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205421 Saheli Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:34:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205421 <p>"Jump the shark" is a more articulate way of expressing my initial reaction. I mean, I'm all for finding your own place and doing whatever floats your boat, so the story as a whole is very interesting, but it bugs me a bit that they don't care they claim to do this within a tradition (thus pulling rank from a tradition) the community of which is very much in disagreement with them.</p> <p>That aside--I thought that in some old Indian weddings the Bride and Groom WERE supposed to stay very close to each other for a couple days afterwards? The sari was supposed to stay tied to the dhoti after the fire, or something?</p> “Jump the shark” is a more articulate way of expressing my initial reaction. I mean, I’m all for finding your own place and doing whatever floats your boat, so the story as a whole is very interesting, but it bugs me a bit that they don’t care they claim to do this within a tradition (thus pulling rank from a tradition) the community of which is very much in disagreement with them.

That aside–I thought that in some old Indian weddings the Bride and Groom WERE supposed to stay very close to each other for a couple days afterwards? The sari was supposed to stay tied to the dhoti after the fire, or something?

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By: Bikhuni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205372 Bikhuni Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:45:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205372 <blockquote>Just another example of how whitey loves to flip the script.</blockquote> <p>Yep, and that's what I love about American culture - innovation. Out with the old, in with the new.</p> <blockquote>I think that married couple SM readers should try this out for one day this weekend and then tell us what happened </blockquote> <blockquote>Admitedly I am terrified by the institution of marriage, even though I do hope to be married some day. I have Siddhartha-esque anxieties about the possibility that I may want to walk off into the woods some day. I emailed this story to four of my married-couple friends and three of the four responded with mild revulsion. “No freakin’ way,” to paraphrase.</blockquote> <p>I think one reason this is working is precisely because the couple is <b>NOT</b> married. Much less in an arranged marriage.</p> <p>They are two people who are equally passionate about their spirituality and growing in it together. Several years of self imposed discipline are probably what makes it possible for them to be celibate, although they do touch intimately, as stated in an article.</p> <p>What I like about it is;</p> <blockquote>Ms. McNally said, “From a Buddhist perspective, it purifies your own mind.” <b>Ms. McNally is 35 and uses the title of Lama, or teacher, an honor not traditionally bestowed on women by the Tibetan orders</b>. </blockquote> <p>And;</p> <blockquote>he decided that <b>if Buddhism was really going to succeed in America, it would have to be more inclusive of women. </b> “If these ideas that will help people are going to make it in the West,” Ms. McNally said, <b>“it can’t be a male-dominated culture, because people are not going to accept that.”</b> </blockquote> <p>The reason why he is considered persona non grata by traditionalists is because he is living with a woman while wearing his monk robes, though he (claims) has not broken celibacy vows. One would have to review the original rules laid down for monks if living with and touching a woman are included. There are hundreds of rules for bikhus in Buddhism but most of the are rules to avoid "gossip" and what constitutes gossip varies from culture to culture. For me, two unmarried spiritual practicioners living together is nothing to gossip about, but in Dharmasala, which is located in a very conservative culture where unmarried men and women living intimately together is a taboo, it is.</p> <p>Therefore in the eyes of the Dalai Lama who is residing in India, and other residents therein, he is "controversial" and hence he has been issued a statement from the staff of the Dalai Lama's that he is no longer welcome to teach in Dharmasala.</p> <p>Over here in America though, we are not so hung up on such stuff. The culture is different.</p> <p>In fact, a man and a woman in love with each other and in love with their spiritual work, living together and sharing sexual or non-sexual intimacy while growing spiritual at the same time, well, sh*t, that is IDEAL.</p> <p>I like this couple.</p> Just another example of how whitey loves to flip the script.

Yep, and that’s what I love about American culture – innovation. Out with the old, in with the new.

I think that married couple SM readers should try this out for one day this weekend and then tell us what happened
Admitedly I am terrified by the institution of marriage, even though I do hope to be married some day. I have Siddhartha-esque anxieties about the possibility that I may want to walk off into the woods some day. I emailed this story to four of my married-couple friends and three of the four responded with mild revulsion. “No freakin’ way,” to paraphrase.

I think one reason this is working is precisely because the couple is NOT married. Much less in an arranged marriage.

They are two people who are equally passionate about their spirituality and growing in it together. Several years of self imposed discipline are probably what makes it possible for them to be celibate, although they do touch intimately, as stated in an article.

What I like about it is;

Ms. McNally said, “From a Buddhist perspective, it purifies your own mind.” Ms. McNally is 35 and uses the title of Lama, or teacher, an honor not traditionally bestowed on women by the Tibetan orders.

And;

he decided that if Buddhism was really going to succeed in America, it would have to be more inclusive of women. “If these ideas that will help people are going to make it in the West,” Ms. McNally said, “it can’t be a male-dominated culture, because people are not going to accept that.”

The reason why he is considered persona non grata by traditionalists is because he is living with a woman while wearing his monk robes, though he (claims) has not broken celibacy vows. One would have to review the original rules laid down for monks if living with and touching a woman are included. There are hundreds of rules for bikhus in Buddhism but most of the are rules to avoid “gossip” and what constitutes gossip varies from culture to culture. For me, two unmarried spiritual practicioners living together is nothing to gossip about, but in Dharmasala, which is located in a very conservative culture where unmarried men and women living intimately together is a taboo, it is.

Therefore in the eyes of the Dalai Lama who is residing in India, and other residents therein, he is “controversial” and hence he has been issued a statement from the staff of the Dalai Lama’s that he is no longer welcome to teach in Dharmasala.

Over here in America though, we are not so hung up on such stuff. The culture is different.

In fact, a man and a woman in love with each other and in love with their spiritual work, living together and sharing sexual or non-sexual intimacy while growing spiritual at the same time, well, sh*t, that is IDEAL.

I like this couple.

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By: Lurker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205355 Lurker Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:10:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205355 <p>All that effort and they're celibate?</p> <p>Man, that dude needs to hit that a couple of times. Fifty bucks says that after a few rounds he'll be gagging to get away from her for a while. Am I right, guys?</p> <p><em>crickets</em></p> All that effort and they’re celibate?

Man, that dude needs to hit that a couple of times. Fifty bucks says that after a few rounds he’ll be gagging to get away from her for a while. Am I right, guys?

crickets

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By: benazeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205326 benazeer Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:17:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205326 <p>My husband and I have inadvertently spent 24 hours withing 15 ft of each other before, although not the point of accompanying each other to the restroom! It's not so bad if it just happens that you spend that much time in such close proximity, but I think if we decided to force it on ourselves we'd both go crazy very quickly.</p> My husband and I have inadvertently spent 24 hours withing 15 ft of each other before, although not the point of accompanying each other to the restroom! It’s not so bad if it just happens that you spend that much time in such close proximity, but I think if we decided to force it on ourselves we’d both go crazy very quickly.

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By: JOAT http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205320 JOAT Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:29:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205320 <p>Wait what? They are NEVER apart and they are celibate? What? I'm so confused. Why?</p> <p>When you live in a tiny NYC apartment there are swaths of time when you are tied to the hip literally to your spouse and it's not always fun. I suppose I'd be fine with spending time attached to the hip to my husband (mostly cause I never see him often enough) but the most time we spent together continuously without seperating at all was on our honeymoon and when I think back it didn't bother us much because we weren't always "mentally" together. We'd be in the same car for hours going from point A to point B and one person would read or sleep or watch a movie while the other person did something else. We did spend a lot of time together physically but didn't always feel the need to speak to each other. We gave each other mental space.</p> <p>So if that might be the case where I need mental and verbal space (not having to speak or communiate) I might be fine with it.</p> Wait what? They are NEVER apart and they are celibate? What? I’m so confused. Why?

When you live in a tiny NYC apartment there are swaths of time when you are tied to the hip literally to your spouse and it’s not always fun. I suppose I’d be fine with spending time attached to the hip to my husband (mostly cause I never see him often enough) but the most time we spent together continuously without seperating at all was on our honeymoon and when I think back it didn’t bother us much because we weren’t always “mentally” together. We’d be in the same car for hours going from point A to point B and one person would read or sleep or watch a movie while the other person did something else. We did spend a lot of time together physically but didn’t always feel the need to speak to each other. We gave each other mental space.

So if that might be the case where I need mental and verbal space (not having to speak or communiate) I might be fine with it.

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By: hmmm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205251 hmmm Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:20:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205251 <p>They are a bit controversial: <a href="http://www.diamond-cutter.org/">http://www.diamond-cutter.org/</a></p> They are a bit controversial: http://www.diamond-cutter.org/

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By: Krish**** http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/06/05/too_close_for_c/comment-page-1/#comment-205238 Krish**** Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:10:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5234#comment-205238 <p>Just another example of how whitey loves to flip the script.</p> Just another example of how whitey loves to flip the script.

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