Comments on: Zakaria Coming to CNN: Grab ‘em by the lapels! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204896 portmanteau Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:55:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204896 <p><i>20 · <b>CNN's Real World</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005212.html#comment204458">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Suits make for good wife-beaters too!</blockquote> <p>Nice :) I dislike Ike.</p> 20 · CNN’s Real World said

Suits make for good wife-beaters too!

Nice :) I dislike Ike.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204890 rob Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:09:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204890 <p>Fareed Zakaria is not perfect, of course, but he is a <i>very</i> smart guy. His engagement with the topic of "illiberal democracy" seems to me to be a, if the not the, key issue of the 20 years or so of US foreign policy. So, for example, the whole "purple finger" voting in Iraq--what to really make of it? Seems pretty important to me.</p> Fareed Zakaria is not perfect, of course, but he is a very smart guy. His engagement with the topic of “illiberal democracy” seems to me to be a, if the not the, key issue of the 20 years or so of US foreign policy. So, for example, the whole “purple finger” voting in Iraq–what to really make of it? Seems pretty important to me.

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By: jackal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204889 jackal Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:44:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204889 <p>Points well taken -- Zakaria does understand how to sell himself well; which, in and of itself, is fine except that it entails reductionism and some tradeoffs in terms of intellectual honesty. I guess the most illuminating aspect of that Charlie Rose discussion from 2003 was that he did <em>agree</em> with Hoffman, and indeed argued for many points regarding the danger of the unilateral exercise of power and the discontents it may unleash.</p> <p>His points are nuanced, largely correct, but NOT points I think he articulated strongly for in the broader media environment of 2003. That was a general failure with 90%+ of the media back then, and his failure; a failure highlighted in this interview where its very clear Zakaria has the academic and intellectual chops to offer the very views that were needed then. It points to a lack of courage; or to spin it, pragmatism given the climate in 2003. The older Hoffman cares less for such things, being an intellectual of the old guard, and spoke vigorously and freely. All rather instructive and invaluable for the historical record..</p> Points well taken — Zakaria does understand how to sell himself well; which, in and of itself, is fine except that it entails reductionism and some tradeoffs in terms of intellectual honesty. I guess the most illuminating aspect of that Charlie Rose discussion from 2003 was that he did agree with Hoffman, and indeed argued for many points regarding the danger of the unilateral exercise of power and the discontents it may unleash.

His points are nuanced, largely correct, but NOT points I think he articulated strongly for in the broader media environment of 2003. That was a general failure with 90%+ of the media back then, and his failure; a failure highlighted in this interview where its very clear Zakaria has the academic and intellectual chops to offer the very views that were needed then. It points to a lack of courage; or to spin it, pragmatism given the climate in 2003. The older Hoffman cares less for such things, being an intellectual of the old guard, and spoke vigorously and freely. All rather instructive and invaluable for the historical record..

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By: Desi Going 2 Denver http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204888 Desi Going 2 Denver Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:17:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204888 <blockquote>Zakaria has a quality for success in America's media circus that is far more important that being right - he is adaptable.</blockquote> <p>Zakaria would be another brown man in Canada or UK. Haha...I would like to see him try to be an analyst for BBC/CBC (LOL). I can't stand him; but he does a excellent job of selling his "minority" background/story which other Desi groups in the US fail to do.</p> Zakaria has a quality for success in America’s media circus that is far more important that being right – he is adaptable.

Zakaria would be another brown man in Canada or UK. Haha…I would like to see him try to be an analyst for BBC/CBC (LOL). I can’t stand him; but he does a excellent job of selling his “minority” background/story which other Desi groups in the US fail to do.

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By: CNN's Real World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204887 CNN's Real World Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:02:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204887 <blockquote>One hopes he has learnt from the wiser professor</blockquote> <p>Zakaria has a quality for success in America's media circus that is far more important that being right - he is adaptable. Being right results in unpopularity and not getting interviews; telling people what they want to hear means getting on TV in 2003, in 2008, and in all the years in between.</p> <p>And with pervasive short-term memory, it seems to hardly dent one's credibility either. Enough so that presidential candidates who are comparably good at image management make sure to get photographed with one's books.</p> One hopes he has learnt from the wiser professor

Zakaria has a quality for success in America’s media circus that is far more important that being right – he is adaptable. Being right results in unpopularity and not getting interviews; telling people what they want to hear means getting on TV in 2003, in 2008, and in all the years in between.

And with pervasive short-term memory, it seems to hardly dent one’s credibility either. Enough so that presidential candidates who are comparably good at image management make sure to get photographed with one’s books.

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By: jackal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204886 jackal Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:46:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204886 <p>It is striking to see Zakaria's comments in the following dialogue (Charlie Rose, 2003) relative to the inimitable Stanley Hoffman, one of his dissertation committee members:</p> <p><a href="http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2003/03/13/2/a-dialogue-about-american-unilateral-action-in-iraq">http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2003/03/13/2/a-dialogue-about-american-unilateral-action-in-iraq</a></p> <p>Hoffman was spot on in his analysis of the worst-case scenario for Iraq (which did, indeed play out). Zakaria's argument, at the time, for invading was a weak one, as amply demonstrated here. One hopes he has learnt from the wiser professor, whose advice we ignored in 2003 at our peril.</p> <p>PS - Charlie Rose would, in later years, interview Hoffman again and remark on how these videos amply demonstrate that there were experts in international affairs, who understood the situation all too well, and warned of the very outcomes that occurred.</p> It is striking to see Zakaria’s comments in the following dialogue (Charlie Rose, 2003) relative to the inimitable Stanley Hoffman, one of his dissertation committee members:

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2003/03/13/2/a-dialogue-about-american-unilateral-action-in-iraq

Hoffman was spot on in his analysis of the worst-case scenario for Iraq (which did, indeed play out). Zakaria’s argument, at the time, for invading was a weak one, as amply demonstrated here. One hopes he has learnt from the wiser professor, whose advice we ignored in 2003 at our peril.

PS – Charlie Rose would, in later years, interview Hoffman again and remark on how these videos amply demonstrate that there were experts in international affairs, who understood the situation all too well, and warned of the very outcomes that occurred.

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By: CNN's Real World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204458 CNN's Real World Wed, 28 May 2008 12:10:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204458 <blockquote>The problem with this, of course, is that people watching his show are not going to be wearing lapels — because they’re not wearing suits! Indeed, on Sundays at 1pm, they’re wearing old t-shirts while in the middle of doing laundry, flipping channels to avoid having to vacuum (sorry, TMI).</blockquote> <p>Don't know about you lowlives, but I go to Men's Wearhouse when I want to buy my Sunday afternoon Budlight-swilling couch-lounging attire. <a href="http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/071212/071212_IkeTurner_vlg_2p.widec.jpg">Suits</a> make for good wife-beaters too!</p> The problem with this, of course, is that people watching his show are not going to be wearing lapels — because they’re not wearing suits! Indeed, on Sundays at 1pm, they’re wearing old t-shirts while in the middle of doing laundry, flipping channels to avoid having to vacuum (sorry, TMI).

Don’t know about you lowlives, but I go to Men’s Wearhouse when I want to buy my Sunday afternoon Budlight-swilling couch-lounging attire. Suits make for good wife-beaters too!

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By: fallen jhumki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204456 fallen jhumki Wed, 28 May 2008 09:25:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204456 <p>i did one of his articles from TIME for a current events project, i had no idea he was soo famous, and he wrote that book apparently!</p> i did one of his articles from TIME for a current events project, i had no idea he was soo famous, and he wrote that book apparently!

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By: CNN's Real World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204445 CNN's Real World Wed, 28 May 2008 05:49:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204445 <p>Grab them by the lapels? I've got it!</p> <p>GPS should have Tucker Carlson and James Carville on one team, and Paul Begala and Bob Novak on the other, bickering from Iraq to Rwanda to Kenya to Myanmar to North Korea, while they attempt to solve the<br /> world's problems with an entire range of techniques from Chamberlainian appeasement (aka talking - that reminds me, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjUaNVouwk">Kevin James</a> would be good to have on this show too), using a small armed force of ex-South African mercenaries, Blackwater etc. With Fareed in the backdrop spouting inane coffee table tropes as always. It will be like Iraq, except they have just 1 hour a week, sort of like the Amazing Race. 22 countries in one season!</p> <p>For sweeps week, they can have a cliff hanger where the losers are actually stoned - and not in the good way - in the GLOBAL! PUBLIC! SQUARE!</p> Grab them by the lapels? I’ve got it!

GPS should have Tucker Carlson and James Carville on one team, and Paul Begala and Bob Novak on the other, bickering from Iraq to Rwanda to Kenya to Myanmar to North Korea, while they attempt to solve the
world’s problems with an entire range of techniques from Chamberlainian appeasement (aka talking – that reminds me, Kevin James would be good to have on this show too), using a small armed force of ex-South African mercenaries, Blackwater etc. With Fareed in the backdrop spouting inane coffee table tropes as always. It will be like Iraq, except they have just 1 hour a week, sort of like the Amazing Race. 22 countries in one season!

For sweeps week, they can have a cliff hanger where the losers are actually stoned – and not in the good way – in the GLOBAL! PUBLIC! SQUARE!

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By: Bookaholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/27/zakaria_coming/comment-page-1/#comment-204441 Bookaholic Wed, 28 May 2008 04:21:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5212#comment-204441 <p>Zakaria is right when he points out the near-absence of global news. Its easy to get sucked into a Hillary-Obama-whose pastor is crazier routine but its so refreshing to watch news on from other sources like BBC or other channels and feel like there is a world out there. I will definitely take a look but if its pedantic, it will not work, thats for sure.</p> Zakaria is right when he points out the near-absence of global news. Its easy to get sucked into a Hillary-Obama-whose pastor is crazier routine but its so refreshing to watch news on from other sources like BBC or other channels and feel like there is a world out there. I will definitely take a look but if its pedantic, it will not work, thats for sure.

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