Comments on: Mississippi Masala Gets Organized [Updated] http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sabulal Vijayan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-287766 Sabulal Vijayan Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:43:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-287766 <p>Dear Friend, Do you remember me. I am Sabulal Vijayan.Lead Organizer of Indian workers who led the Indian workers to DC for March and Hunger strike.</p> <p>Do you know what is the reality now, whatever we did for our dignity in the US. it is right....but New Orleans workers Center is making money in our name. They collected a huge amount from the public and govt grants in our name. and spent nothing for us. They purchase a big office building with the money they collected from the public in our name. When we asked for the account details,New Orleans Workers Center fueled in between the Indian Workers to fight each other. Blamed their Leaders. Later Our Legal Team expelled New Orleans Worker Center and its Greedy lawyer from our Federal Court Case. New Orleans Workers Center disclosed the confidential court details to the media without our permission. Collected Huge attorney fee for filing our T visa (dependent) application. realize the real frauds...New Orleans Workers Center. Do a research on this too.Thanks.Sabulal</p> Dear Friend, Do you remember me. I am Sabulal Vijayan.Lead Organizer of Indian workers who led the Indian workers to DC for March and Hunger strike.

Do you know what is the reality now, whatever we did for our dignity in the US. it is right….but New Orleans workers Center is making money in our name. They collected a huge amount from the public and govt grants in our name. and spent nothing for us. They purchase a big office building with the money they collected from the public in our name. When we asked for the account details,New Orleans Workers Center fueled in between the Indian Workers to fight each other. Blamed their Leaders. Later Our Legal Team expelled New Orleans Worker Center and its Greedy lawyer from our Federal Court Case. New Orleans Workers Center disclosed the confidential court details to the media without our permission. Collected Huge attorney fee for filing our T visa (dependent) application. realize the real frauds…New Orleans Workers Center. Do a research on this too.Thanks.Sabulal

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By: mike 1900 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-211374 mike 1900 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:49:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-211374 <p>It seems top be that there is still ray of hope in the end of the tunnel. The present actions are out dating the false hood. We have to strive for a resolution that each worker receives his or her rights.</p> <p>======================== Mike<br /> <a href="http://www.treatmentcenters.org/mississippi">Mississippi Treatment Centers </a></p> It seems top be that there is still ray of hope in the end of the tunnel. The present actions are out dating the false hood. We have to strive for a resolution that each worker receives his or her rights.

======================== Mike
Mississippi Treatment Centers

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By: sn http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204592 sn Thu, 29 May 2008 22:40:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204592 <p>It seems they came to the USA with the hope of obtaining the green card and were understandably outraged when they figured out soon after they landed here in 2006 that this understanding/false hope was mistaken. Their present actions arent going to help future H2B workers get their green cards but will definitely make companies wary of hiring indian workers under this program. The story is complicated and sad but trying to bring in Gandhi and Satyagraha is ridiculous.</p> <p>"Indeed, as to many of the workers who had signed green card contracts, the contracts had been signed before Signal even began the process of seeking foreign workers. All Signal knew was that it was told it was lawfully getting workers into this country on H-2B temporary visas."</p> <p>The guilty party seems to be Michael Pol, president of defendant Global Resources, Inc. who approached Signal, with a proposal to provide the skilled labor needed by Signal, from lawful foreign sources.</p> <p>"As time passed, some of the foreign workers began to leave Signal, apparently for a variety of reasons. Most of the workers who left Signal absconded, i.e., they left Signal but did not thereupon return to India, in violation of the terms of their H-2B status. Apparently some left because of the cross claim defendants’ failure to provide them with the promised employment based green cards. Others apparently left because they had no intention of honoring the terms of their H-2B visas to start with, having come into the country on false pretenses. And others left because cross claim defendant Burnett, despite his duty of loyalty to his client Signal, was seeking employment-based green cards for some of the workers under the sponsorship of a different client of his (in concert with the other cross claim defendants and third party defendant); these workers left Signal when they had to go to work for the sponsor/client in order to obtain their employment-based green cards. Other workers were told, by parties other than Signal, that if they left Signal they could obtain green cards without pursuing the employment based process, or by claiming that they were victims of trafficking. Most of the reasons that the workers left Signal prior to the expiration of their H-2B visas with Signal were the result of the wrongdoings and broken promises of the other cross claim defendants."</p> It seems they came to the USA with the hope of obtaining the green card and were understandably outraged when they figured out soon after they landed here in 2006 that this understanding/false hope was mistaken. Their present actions arent going to help future H2B workers get their green cards but will definitely make companies wary of hiring indian workers under this program. The story is complicated and sad but trying to bring in Gandhi and Satyagraha is ridiculous.

“Indeed, as to many of the workers who had signed green card contracts, the contracts had been signed before Signal even began the process of seeking foreign workers. All Signal knew was that it was told it was lawfully getting workers into this country on H-2B temporary visas.”

The guilty party seems to be Michael Pol, president of defendant Global Resources, Inc. who approached Signal, with a proposal to provide the skilled labor needed by Signal, from lawful foreign sources.

“As time passed, some of the foreign workers began to leave Signal, apparently for a variety of reasons. Most of the workers who left Signal absconded, i.e., they left Signal but did not thereupon return to India, in violation of the terms of their H-2B status. Apparently some left because of the cross claim defendants’ failure to provide them with the promised employment based green cards. Others apparently left because they had no intention of honoring the terms of their H-2B visas to start with, having come into the country on false pretenses. And others left because cross claim defendant Burnett, despite his duty of loyalty to his client Signal, was seeking employment-based green cards for some of the workers under the sponsorship of a different client of his (in concert with the other cross claim defendants and third party defendant); these workers left Signal when they had to go to work for the sponsor/client in order to obtain their employment-based green cards. Other workers were told, by parties other than Signal, that if they left Signal they could obtain green cards without pursuing the employment based process, or by claiming that they were victims of trafficking. Most of the reasons that the workers left Signal prior to the expiration of their H-2B visas with Signal were the result of the wrongdoings and broken promises of the other cross claim defendants.”

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By: Ruchira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204442 Ruchira Wed, 28 May 2008 04:49:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204442 <p>Here is <a href="http://accidentalblogger.typepad.com/accidental_blogger/2008/05/birthday-messag.html">the latest </a>from the NOWCRJ about the striking workers.</p> <p>Thanks Taz, for the post.</p> Here is the latest from the NOWCRJ about the striking workers.

Thanks Taz, for the post.

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By: indianthinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204303 indianthinker Sun, 25 May 2008 09:22:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204303 <p>Karl Marx's theories sufficiently explain why there is a scope for such events to occur. My simple reasoning that there was an awareness gap between the workers and the establishment's actions. The establishment knew what it was doing. Worker's didnt know their rights, how the law applies to foreign workers, rental regulations, payrate parity. When they became aware and fought, the establishment receded back. It is very much appropriate that someone should make them aware of their rights and protection scope afforded by the foreign government in case of violation of contract/human rights issues before they send them abroad. An issue of whether they get green cards or not and whether it leaves a small door of (exploitative) opportunity for further generations of workers is irrelevant.</p> Karl Marx’s theories sufficiently explain why there is a scope for such events to occur. My simple reasoning that there was an awareness gap between the workers and the establishment’s actions. The establishment knew what it was doing. Worker’s didnt know their rights, how the law applies to foreign workers, rental regulations, payrate parity. When they became aware and fought, the establishment receded back. It is very much appropriate that someone should make them aware of their rights and protection scope afforded by the foreign government in case of violation of contract/human rights issues before they send them abroad. An issue of whether they get green cards or not and whether it leaves a small door of (exploitative) opportunity for further generations of workers is irrelevant.

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204267 Salil Maniktahla Sat, 24 May 2008 15:43:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204267 <p>One of the Indian guys they interview in that episode of TAL has the most awesome accent ever: Texan + Indian. It's the strangest thing ever, yet oddly pleasant.</p> <p>And their story is great.</p> One of the Indian guys they interview in that episode of TAL has the most awesome accent ever: Texan + Indian. It’s the strangest thing ever, yet oddly pleasant.

And their story is great.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204258 portmanteau Sat, 24 May 2008 02:06:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204258 <p><i>13 · <b>sunil</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005209.html#comment204256">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I'm sure this has been referenced before but This American Life did an interesting story about this issue. Here is the synopsis from the show. This one is centered on a businessman John Pickle (great name):</blockquote> <p>sunil, thanks for putting that link up -- this is one of my favorite TAL broadcasts. i really recommend it.</p> 13 · sunil said

I’m sure this has been referenced before but This American Life did an interesting story about this issue. Here is the synopsis from the show. This one is centered on a businessman John Pickle (great name):

sunil, thanks for putting that link up — this is one of my favorite TAL broadcasts. i really recommend it.

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By: sunil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204256 sunil Sat, 24 May 2008 01:32:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204256 <p>I'm sure this has been referenced before but This American Life did an interesting story about this issue. Here is the synopsis from the show. This one is centered on a businessman John Pickle (great name): <i> "He hires skilled, experienced welders in India and brings them to the United States. He takes their passports, barely feeds them, pays them half the minimum wage. And when the men protest, Pickle insists he's helping them—doing them a favor in fact."</i></p> <p>Link to the TAL site where you can listen to the episode for free: <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1220">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1220 </a> (click the "full episode" link)</p> I’m sure this has been referenced before but This American Life did an interesting story about this issue. Here is the synopsis from the show. This one is centered on a businessman John Pickle (great name): “He hires skilled, experienced welders in India and brings them to the United States. He takes their passports, barely feeds them, pays them half the minimum wage. And when the men protest, Pickle insists he’s helping them—doing them a favor in fact.”

Link to the TAL site where you can listen to the episode for free: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1220 (click the “full episode” link)

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204252 Camille Fri, 23 May 2008 22:48:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204252 <p>Taz, thanks so much for covering this story.</p> <p>With respect to the s/he said issue, the numbers check out -- $35/day, over a month, is over $1000 (sans February), as the workers described. With respect to the conditions of the housing, I, like Salil, tend to believe the little guy.</p> <p>I think this whole issue underscores the various serious areas for abuse in the guestworker program. By bringing attention to this issue, these folks are illustrating the very real harm that a misguided policy, coupled with poor enforcement, exacts on folks.</p> <p>Inv, I'm not surprised the ambassador refused to face (or advocate for) these workers. We see similar trends for guestworkers in other countries, especially in countries that receive a large amount of these workers' wages back in remittances.</p> Taz, thanks so much for covering this story.

With respect to the s/he said issue, the numbers check out — $35/day, over a month, is over $1000 (sans February), as the workers described. With respect to the conditions of the housing, I, like Salil, tend to believe the little guy.

I think this whole issue underscores the various serious areas for abuse in the guestworker program. By bringing attention to this issue, these folks are illustrating the very real harm that a misguided policy, coupled with poor enforcement, exacts on folks.

Inv, I’m not surprised the ambassador refused to face (or advocate for) these workers. We see similar trends for guestworkers in other countries, especially in countries that receive a large amount of these workers’ wages back in remittances.

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By: Inv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/23/mississipi_mash/comment-page-1/#comment-204224 Inv Fri, 23 May 2008 18:08:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5209#comment-204224 <p>Wow, I'm at an absolute lost for words. On one hand, I am genuinely proud of these folks, on the other hand I am disgusted that our own ambassador refuses to meet them. As an ambassador, doesn't one of his fundamental responsibilities include representing these folks?</p> Wow, I’m at an absolute lost for words. On one hand, I am genuinely proud of these folks, on the other hand I am disgusted that our own ambassador refuses to meet them. As an ambassador, doesn’t one of his fundamental responsibilities include representing these folks?

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