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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-213754 Salil Maniktahla Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:59:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-213754 <p>And <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/08/27/monsantos_bane/index.html">more from the latest "How the World Works."</a> This time it's the effects of Roundup-resistant pigweed on cotton monoculture.</p> <blockquote>How did this happen? Simple -- over-reliance on a single herbicide -- Roundup -- used in conjunction with genetically modified cotton that included built-in resistance to Roundup. Both products, incidentally, brought to you by Monsanto. At first, it seemed like a great deal for farmers. Plant the cotton, douse the field with Roundup, and watch everything besides the cotton seedlings die. But just as many scientists have long predicted, monocrop agriculture in combination with reliance on just one herbicide turned out to be the most effective way to develop super-weeds that would spit in Roundup's face that farmers could have devised. </blockquote> And more from the latest “How the World Works.” This time it’s the effects of Roundup-resistant pigweed on cotton monoculture.

How did this happen? Simple — over-reliance on a single herbicide — Roundup — used in conjunction with genetically modified cotton that included built-in resistance to Roundup. Both products, incidentally, brought to you by Monsanto. At first, it seemed like a great deal for farmers. Plant the cotton, douse the field with Roundup, and watch everything besides the cotton seedlings die. But just as many scientists have long predicted, monocrop agriculture in combination with reliance on just one herbicide turned out to be the most effective way to develop super-weeds that would spit in Roundup’s face that farmers could have devised.
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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-204394 portmanteau Tue, 27 May 2008 16:50:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-204394 <p>From '<a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/05/27/fertilizer_prices/index.html">How The World Works</a>' (a very thought-provoking blog):</p> <blockquote>...an obscure, century-old law in the United States designed to promote American exports allows American potash producers to essentially collude on price-setting. But the numbers are eye-opening -- in the last year, fertilizer prices have risen faster than fuel prices. If you're looking for a culprit not-named biofuels to blame for the global food price run-up, fertilizer fits the profile.</blockquote> From ‘How The World Works‘ (a very thought-provoking blog):

…an obscure, century-old law in the United States designed to promote American exports allows American potash producers to essentially collude on price-setting. But the numbers are eye-opening — in the last year, fertilizer prices have risen faster than fuel prices. If you’re looking for a culprit not-named biofuels to blame for the global food price run-up, fertilizer fits the profile.
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By: jus so we clear http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203933 jus so we clear Wed, 21 May 2008 06:23:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203933 <p><i>43 · <b>amaun</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005196.html#comment203901">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>My father would have killed for a chance to be able to negotiate with a Reliance Fresh buyer.</blockquote> <p>yes, negotiation is good -- not coercion; something which farmers in india should protected against.</p> 43 · amaun said

My father would have killed for a chance to be able to negotiate with a Reliance Fresh buyer.

yes, negotiation is good — not coercion; something which farmers in india should protected against.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203901 amaun Tue, 20 May 2008 23:12:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203901 <p><i>your rosy assumption that these companies will not resort to extra-judicial/constitutional methods to deal with farmers seems naive.</i></p> <p>Do you even know what a farmer with 17 acres of paddy/vegetables has to go through to get paid? My father would have killed for a chance to be able to negotiate with a Reliance Fresh buyer. I am sure that all companies are blood-sucking leeches when viewed through your pink glasses.</p> your rosy assumption that these companies will not resort to extra-judicial/constitutional methods to deal with farmers seems naive.

Do you even know what a farmer with 17 acres of paddy/vegetables has to go through to get paid? My father would have killed for a chance to be able to negotiate with a Reliance Fresh buyer. I am sure that all companies are blood-sucking leeches when viewed through your pink glasses.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203900 amaun Tue, 20 May 2008 22:58:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203900 <p>jus so we clear, My point is that for a majority of Indian farmers life/death problems will continue even if we fixed our farm bill. In present day India the government is complicit in continuing the problems of the farmers. By the Tatas/Birlas/Reliance/Walmart, I meant their foray into the fresh-food/grain retail sector. For the last 60 years the Food Corporation of India (govt.) screwed the farmers over by their inefficiency. When the farmers go the independent route it is the middle-man who is complicit with local politicians who screws them over. It is far easier to get companies to behave than it is to make the middle-man/politicians give up easy money. So, if Reliance is buying fresh food/grains from the farmers directly this would be a far better solution and would fix the farmers problems NOW! If you google the issues you will see that there is a lot of opposition to these retail giants getting in the fresh-food/grain business. Why do you think that is the case? It is not the farmers that are objecting and putting up road-blocks. Anyway, this is not the crux of Vinod's post.</p> jus so we clear, My point is that for a majority of Indian farmers life/death problems will continue even if we fixed our farm bill. In present day India the government is complicit in continuing the problems of the farmers. By the Tatas/Birlas/Reliance/Walmart, I meant their foray into the fresh-food/grain retail sector. For the last 60 years the Food Corporation of India (govt.) screwed the farmers over by their inefficiency. When the farmers go the independent route it is the middle-man who is complicit with local politicians who screws them over. It is far easier to get companies to behave than it is to make the middle-man/politicians give up easy money. So, if Reliance is buying fresh food/grains from the farmers directly this would be a far better solution and would fix the farmers problems NOW! If you google the issues you will see that there is a lot of opposition to these retail giants getting in the fresh-food/grain business. Why do you think that is the case? It is not the farmers that are objecting and putting up road-blocks. Anyway, this is not the crux of Vinod’s post.

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By: jus so we clear http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203885 jus so we clear Tue, 20 May 2008 21:14:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203885 <blockquote>It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer.</blockquote> <p>also, your rosy assumption that these companies will not resort to extra-judicial/constitutional methods to deal with farmers seems naive. <a href="http://www.thesouthasian.org/archives/2006/post_12.html">this</a> news report might inject a dose of reality to your fanciful musings:</p> <blockquote> An estimated 20,000 small farmers and other food producers in Singur (West Bengal, India) will be evicted on September 27, 2006 by the Left Front West Bengal government. In the name of "development", their 1,253 fertile lands will be given to Tata Motors, a giant Indian company.</blockquote> <p>amaun, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.google%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=uTC&q=tata+land+adivasis&btnG=Search">take a look what a google search for "tata land adivasis" brings up</a>. vinod, for the sake of fairness, i would love to see post (authored by you) on the extra-judicial means corporations use in india, and how that could be characterized as a market failure.</p> It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer.

also, your rosy assumption that these companies will not resort to extra-judicial/constitutional methods to deal with farmers seems naive. this news report might inject a dose of reality to your fanciful musings:

An estimated 20,000 small farmers and other food producers in Singur (West Bengal, India) will be evicted on September 27, 2006 by the Left Front West Bengal government. In the name of “development”, their 1,253 fertile lands will be given to Tata Motors, a giant Indian company.

amaun, take a look what a google search for “tata land adivasis” brings up. vinod, for the sake of fairness, i would love to see post (authored by you) on the extra-judicial means corporations use in india, and how that could be characterized as a market failure.

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By: jus so we clear http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203873 jus so we clear Tue, 20 May 2008 18:32:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203873 <p>amaun # 39, <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0506-09.htm">i</a> <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0923-04.htm">am</a> <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/04/first_world_sub.html">talking</a> <a href="http://kickaas.typepad.com/">about</a> <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article1629405.ece">this</a>.</p> <p>my comment was not limited to indian farmers, but maybe you can link to me an article which shows me the benefits that have accrued to indian farmers from subsidies extended to first world farmers? it may be that indian farmers have several problems that squeeze them more, but i don't see how a general climate of subsidies is beneficial to them. you might take a look at <a href="http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/sep/11wto7.htm">these</a> two <a href="http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2004/Green-Box-Subsidies21apr04.htm">pieces</a>, to begin with.</p> <blockquote> It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer.</blockquote> <p>it might be -- without a good legal system to support and protect them, informational asymmetries and the power of these corporations may leave indian farmers with very little bargaining power. i am all for increasing agricultural efficiencies, but i will not be pleased if indian farmers will be selling their land or produce to big firms at below-market rates. this is well-documented in other cases (especially africa) -- mass displacement and low-wage employment for native people living close to precious resources. people are systematically and often, coercively alienated from their assets. meanwhile, the profits are diverted out and the social infrastructure remains under-developed.</p> <p>tangentially: <a href="http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41680">here</a> is the impact subsidies within india (for the sugar lobby) have for maharashtrian cotton farmers.</p> amaun # 39, i am talking about this.

my comment was not limited to indian farmers, but maybe you can link to me an article which shows me the benefits that have accrued to indian farmers from subsidies extended to first world farmers? it may be that indian farmers have several problems that squeeze them more, but i don’t see how a general climate of subsidies is beneficial to them. you might take a look at these two pieces, to begin with.

It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer.

it might be — without a good legal system to support and protect them, informational asymmetries and the power of these corporations may leave indian farmers with very little bargaining power. i am all for increasing agricultural efficiencies, but i will not be pleased if indian farmers will be selling their land or produce to big firms at below-market rates. this is well-documented in other cases (especially africa) — mass displacement and low-wage employment for native people living close to precious resources. people are systematically and often, coercively alienated from their assets. meanwhile, the profits are diverted out and the social infrastructure remains under-developed.

tangentially: here is the impact subsidies within india (for the sugar lobby) have for maharashtrian cotton farmers.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/18/why_do_american/comment-page-1/#comment-203870 amaun Tue, 20 May 2008 17:59:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5196#comment-203870 <p><i>somehow, when socialists subsidize the poor they're distorting the markets, but when apparent capitalists subsidize they're increasing supply. same facts, different narrative, vinod? no protectionist 'intention' here, just a magnanimity that has the nice 'consequence' of nudging third world farmers out of the market.</i></p> <p>Just to make it clearer, most Indian farmers are not killing themselves or, getting deeper into debt due to first world subsidies of first world farmers. It is because the middle-men have a stranglehold the avenues of distribution to the consumer. These middle-men are politically connected, have the muscle and under normal conditions (steady market) make 40% of the retail price. It is more during the inflationary spurts. Just to be even more clearer, these midlle-men do not have any transportation expense. The farmer and seller bear the tranportation costs. It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer. The competition and efficiencies that these companies could provide would translate to better prices for the farmer.</p> somehow, when socialists subsidize the poor they’re distorting the markets, but when apparent capitalists subsidize they’re increasing supply. same facts, different narrative, vinod? no protectionist ‘intention’ here, just a magnanimity that has the nice ‘consequence’ of nudging third world farmers out of the market.

Just to make it clearer, most Indian farmers are not killing themselves or, getting deeper into debt due to first world subsidies of first world farmers. It is because the middle-men have a stranglehold the avenues of distribution to the consumer. These middle-men are politically connected, have the muscle and under normal conditions (steady market) make 40% of the retail price. It is more during the inflationary spurts. Just to be even more clearer, these midlle-men do not have any transportation expense. The farmer and seller bear the tranportation costs. It would be great if the Tata, Birlas, Reliance and Walmart are allowed by the Indian govt. to negotiate buying prices from the farmers and sell to the consumer. The competition and efficiencies that these companies could provide would translate to better prices for the farmer.

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