Comments on: Terrorists Bomb Jaipur http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203409 A N N A Wed, 14 May 2008 17:11:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203409 <p><i>50 · <B><A href="mailto:zacofalltrades@gmail.com" rel=nofollow>zacofalltrades</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005184.html#comment203400">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>With such an Obtuse view of the political situations in India and Pakistan, I'm surprised the author is a "respected" blogger at SM.</blockquote> <p>I didn't write anything about the "situations" in those two countries, because I am not from there, nor have I ever claimed to be. It seems like you are projecting <i>your</i> issues on to my simple update to this blog, which I posted in order to <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005184.html#comment203347">let our readers know</a> something tragic had happened. Nothing more. All I did was enforce our commenting policy. Nothing more.</p> <p>You are surprised that stupid-me gets respect, eh? I don't need your nastiness, not here, not in <b>the angry email you sent this morning</b>, and not <b>on my <i>personal blog</i>, where you left a rather unfair and unnecessary tirade</b>. Contrary to what you have tried to scream at me twice today, I don't owe you anything.</p> <p>If you are so passionate about what you think, please <b>state your views without including me</b>, thanks. In fact, why don't we all do that? Back on topic, please.</p> 50 · zacofalltrades said

With such an Obtuse view of the political situations in India and Pakistan, I’m surprised the author is a “respected” blogger at SM.

I didn’t write anything about the “situations” in those two countries, because I am not from there, nor have I ever claimed to be. It seems like you are projecting your issues on to my simple update to this blog, which I posted in order to let our readers know something tragic had happened. Nothing more. All I did was enforce our commenting policy. Nothing more.

You are surprised that stupid-me gets respect, eh? I don’t need your nastiness, not here, not in the angry email you sent this morning, and not on my personal blog, where you left a rather unfair and unnecessary tirade. Contrary to what you have tried to scream at me twice today, I don’t owe you anything.

If you are so passionate about what you think, please state your views without including me, thanks. In fact, why don’t we all do that? Back on topic, please.

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By: zacofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203400 zacofalltrades Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203400 <p>With such an Obtuse view of the political situations in India and Pakistan, I'm surprised the author is a "respected" blogger at SM. Lets look at the sequence of events as they unfolded before the day of the blasts....Political unrest in Pakistan....Sharif's party will remove support, the ruling party looks hapless.....suddenly the Indians complain of "Unprovoked Firing" from Pakistan's side of the LOC......... more political unrest.....the blasts happen in India on the anniversary of the Pokharan tests.</p> <p>Why cant you get it? The Army in Pakistan is itching to get back in power, it is their variant of votebank politics.</p> <p>Most Sane people here are stating the obvious truth and the Author is not ready to listen to the harsh reality....that makes me wonder why did she have to post this story in the first place if she has no stomach for the reactions it would garner.....It doesn't take an Einstein to figure the kind of responses that would come in.</p> <p>PS: Ravi Shankar....people like you are the scum of Hinduism.</p> With such an Obtuse view of the political situations in India and Pakistan, I’m surprised the author is a “respected” blogger at SM. Lets look at the sequence of events as they unfolded before the day of the blasts….Political unrest in Pakistan….Sharif’s party will remove support, the ruling party looks hapless…..suddenly the Indians complain of “Unprovoked Firing” from Pakistan’s side of the LOC……… more political unrest…..the blasts happen in India on the anniversary of the Pokharan tests.

Why cant you get it? The Army in Pakistan is itching to get back in power, it is their variant of votebank politics.

Most Sane people here are stating the obvious truth and the Author is not ready to listen to the harsh reality….that makes me wonder why did she have to post this story in the first place if she has no stomach for the reactions it would garner…..It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure the kind of responses that would come in.

PS: Ravi Shankar….people like you are the scum of Hinduism.

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By: zacofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203392 zacofalltrades Wed, 14 May 2008 16:29:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203392 <p><i>42 · <b>melbourne desi</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005184.html#comment203356">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>hy does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable. Terrorist attacks happen repeatedly coz the indian state does not have the courage to take on the terrorists. It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant. Talking about radicalization of the Muslims in India - when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas. This was a state where Muslim women are mostly treated with respect and have not been subject to strong segregation. Quite often, I see that ABD's Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic? JGandhi has been a pro- Hindu commenter and with good reason. Appeasement of minorities has been rather strong amongst vote pandering politicians. Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue - the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion. Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.</blockquote> <p>Well Said Sir!!</p> 42 · melbourne desi said

hy does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable. Terrorist attacks happen repeatedly coz the indian state does not have the courage to take on the terrorists. It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant. Talking about radicalization of the Muslims in India – when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas. This was a state where Muslim women are mostly treated with respect and have not been subject to strong segregation. Quite often, I see that ABD’s Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic? JGandhi has been a pro- Hindu commenter and with good reason. Appeasement of minorities has been rather strong amongst vote pandering politicians. Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue – the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion. Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.

Well Said Sir!!

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By: rudie_c http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203385 rudie_c Wed, 14 May 2008 15:53:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203385 <p>Its people that are going nowhere who are the ones blowing others up. it does not matter what religion people are, people died, someone’s father, mother, brother, sister. As the song said, “why do you teach our children hate? The WORLD will look at you, and surpass your understanding".</p> Its people that are going nowhere who are the ones blowing others up. it does not matter what religion people are, people died, someone’s father, mother, brother, sister. As the song said, “why do you teach our children hate? The WORLD will look at you, and surpass your understanding”.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203377 my_dog_jagat Wed, 14 May 2008 15:04:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203377 <p>epoch #43 wrote:</p> <blockquote>Indian government will blame Pakistan as usual,</blockquote> <p>They are blaming Bangladesh this time. One reason why Muslim terrorists are possibly being blamed is because the incident occurred on a Tuesday--Hanuman's day-- and the incident happened near the Hanuman mandir.</p> <p>melbourne desi said:</p> <blockquote>when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas</blockquote> <p>Edward Luce writes about this in his <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spite-Gods-Strange-Modern-India/dp/0316729817">book</a>--about the gulf returned and the Saudi influence.</p> <p>rahul s ecrit:</p> <blockquote>I never knew my peeps (Jains) are radical & bomb stuff. </blockquote> <p>Maybe not bomb, but again from Luce's book, have a strangely skewed male:female ratio. As Luce puts it, these are people who would not otherwise want to hurt a fly.</p> epoch #43 wrote:

Indian government will blame Pakistan as usual,

They are blaming Bangladesh this time. One reason why Muslim terrorists are possibly being blamed is because the incident occurred on a Tuesday–Hanuman’s day– and the incident happened near the Hanuman mandir.

melbourne desi said:

when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas

Edward Luce writes about this in his book–about the gulf returned and the Saudi influence.

rahul s ecrit:

I never knew my peeps (Jains) are radical & bomb stuff.

Maybe not bomb, but again from Luce’s book, have a strangely skewed male:female ratio. As Luce puts it, these are people who would not otherwise want to hurt a fly.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203360 A N N A Wed, 14 May 2008 04:38:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203360 <blockquote>why does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable.</blockquote> <p>The truth does not bother me. Assumptions, intolerance, ignorance, people who don't wash their hands after they make soo-soo...all that bothers me.</p> <blockquote>It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant.</blockquote> <p>Be that as it may, but so? I'm Christian. Should I carry a mantle of blame for Jerry Falwell's verbal diarrhea? Are all Hindus guilty if a few evil people plan and carry out a pogrom? Why isn't rage directed at terrorists vs. an entire faith?</p> <blockquote>Quite often, I see that ABD's Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic?</blockquote> <p>Uh...yeah, it is without logic. We once had a commenter here who had exactly that attitude towards Christianity; he was a huge troll.</p> <blockquote>Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue - the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion.</blockquote> <p>I am hardly being hyper-sensitive about comments which <b>violate our clearly stated rules for participation</b>. I agree that radicalization is a real issue, so forget my getting offended, how was the direction in which this thread was headed helping the discussion?</p> <blockquote>Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good</blockquote> <p>Melbourne Desi, there is no need to qualify your remarks. I haven't always agreed with you, but I do respect you.</p> <p>This has nothing to do with my world view. This has to do with being civil. I don't believe Islam is either "good" or "bad"; who thinks like that? I believe Islam is a religion with many adherents, a few of whom are my friends.</p> <blockquote>but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.</blockquote> <p>You mean the behavior of SOME of its followers, right?</p> <p>::</p> <p>It's not string theory. I'm sick of explaining why certain comments are inappropriate. Perhaps they were not "personal", but they were still blatant violations of our commenting policy, so I am hardly getting annoyed for no reason. Muslims read this blog. How do you think they feel when things like this happen?</p> <p>Perhaps a few of you mice had a great time leaving intolerant remarks because the cat was away and we were short-staffed. Mazel tov. That doesn't mean I'll entertain such behavior now. I have a zero-tolerance policy for Summer's Eve-related shenanigans.</p> <p><strike>I'm closing comments for now and reopening them in the morning, when I can watch over them;</strike> it's a pity that a group of educated adults requires so much supervision as they discuss a tragedy. I'm seriously considering not enabling comments on my posts in the first place; this thread is helping me realize that I might need to do that, despite my long-stated resistance to such a decision.</p> why does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable.

The truth does not bother me. Assumptions, intolerance, ignorance, people who don’t wash their hands after they make soo-soo…all that bothers me.

It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant.

Be that as it may, but so? I’m Christian. Should I carry a mantle of blame for Jerry Falwell’s verbal diarrhea? Are all Hindus guilty if a few evil people plan and carry out a pogrom? Why isn’t rage directed at terrorists vs. an entire faith?

Quite often, I see that ABD’s Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic?

Uh…yeah, it is without logic. We once had a commenter here who had exactly that attitude towards Christianity; he was a huge troll.

Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue – the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion.

I am hardly being hyper-sensitive about comments which violate our clearly stated rules for participation. I agree that radicalization is a real issue, so forget my getting offended, how was the direction in which this thread was headed helping the discussion?

Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good

Melbourne Desi, there is no need to qualify your remarks. I haven’t always agreed with you, but I do respect you.

This has nothing to do with my world view. This has to do with being civil. I don’t believe Islam is either “good” or “bad”; who thinks like that? I believe Islam is a religion with many adherents, a few of whom are my friends.

but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.

You mean the behavior of SOME of its followers, right?

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It’s not string theory. I’m sick of explaining why certain comments are inappropriate. Perhaps they were not “personal”, but they were still blatant violations of our commenting policy, so I am hardly getting annoyed for no reason. Muslims read this blog. How do you think they feel when things like this happen?

Perhaps a few of you mice had a great time leaving intolerant remarks because the cat was away and we were short-staffed. Mazel tov. That doesn’t mean I’ll entertain such behavior now. I have a zero-tolerance policy for Summer’s Eve-related shenanigans.

I’m closing comments for now and reopening them in the morning, when I can watch over them; it’s a pity that a group of educated adults requires so much supervision as they discuss a tragedy. I’m seriously considering not enabling comments on my posts in the first place; this thread is helping me realize that I might need to do that, despite my long-stated resistance to such a decision.

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By: noblekinsman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203358 noblekinsman Wed, 14 May 2008 04:35:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203358 <p>yawn.</p> yawn.

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By: epoch http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203357 epoch Wed, 14 May 2008 04:33:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203357 <blockquote>Who are the terrorists. for all we know they could be Naxalites.</blockquote> <p>Unlikely. This is Rajasthan not Andhra Pradesh. See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:India_Naxal_affected_districts_map.svg">Naxal Affected Districts</a>.</p> <p>The Indian government will blame Pakistan as usual, without any real investigation. The press will somehow cast this as payback for a Hindu extremeist attack. The Hindu extremists will blame all Muslims.</p> <p>Business as usual in India.</p> Who are the terrorists. for all we know they could be Naxalites.

Unlikely. This is Rajasthan not Andhra Pradesh. See Naxal Affected Districts.

The Indian government will blame Pakistan as usual, without any real investigation. The press will somehow cast this as payback for a Hindu extremeist attack. The Hindu extremists will blame all Muslims.

Business as usual in India.

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203356 melbourne desi Wed, 14 May 2008 04:25:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203356 <blockquote>So what if the people behind this atrocity are a group which misuses Islam for its aims?</blockquote> <p>why does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable. Terrorist attacks happen repeatedly coz the indian state does not have the courage to take on the terrorists. It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant. Talking about radicalization of the Muslims in India - when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas. This was a state where Muslim women are mostly treated with respect and have not been subject to strong segregation. Quite often, I see that ABD's Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic? JGandhi has been a pro- Hindu commenter and with good reason. Appeasement of minorities has been rather strong amongst vote pandering politicians. Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue - the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion. Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.</p> So what if the people behind this atrocity are a group which misuses Islam for its aims?

why does it bother you so much if the truth is that Paki or Indian Muslims have been behind nearly all recent terrorist attacks in India. Or is the truth so uncomfortable. Terrorist attacks happen repeatedly coz the indian state does not have the courage to take on the terrorists. It is true that these terrorists are fudned by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who last time I checked were States that followed Islamic law or some such variant. Talking about radicalization of the Muslims in India – when visiting Kerala last month I was deeply disturbed by the number of black burqas. This was a state where Muslim women are mostly treated with respect and have not been subject to strong segregation. Quite often, I see that ABD’s Hindus raised in the USA have strong distaste towards Christians and that is due to the predominantly fundamentalist nature of Christianity in the USA. A distaste that I have not felt in India. So, does that mean that the Christianity bashing is not without logic? JGandhi has been a pro- Hindu commenter and with good reason. Appeasement of minorities has been rather strong amongst vote pandering politicians. Relax, you are being overly sensitive on what is a real issue – the radicalization of Indian Muslims. No personal comments were used, so I dont see the need for such a reaction. The situation of Indian Muslims is quite nuanced and you getting offended does not help the discussion. Note that this comment comes from someone who was raised with Muslim friends / has had Muslim subordinates and bosses (not now). This may not sit with your world view of Islam being good but as SM commenters have pointed out a religion is perceived by the behaviour of its followers.

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By: Indian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/13/terrorists_bomb_2/comment-page-1/#comment-203355 Indian Wed, 14 May 2008 04:24:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5184#comment-203355 <p>It’s again time for thousands innocent Muslim youth to go into hiding otherwise they will be killed in police encounter or in die custody.</p> <p>Remember last week all accused in the Bombay riots were acquitted and those who were involved in Bombay blasts were sentenced to death. Where is justice for minorities in India?</p> It’s again time for thousands innocent Muslim youth to go into hiding otherwise they will be killed in police encounter or in die custody.

Remember last week all accused in the Bombay riots were acquitted and those who were involved in Bombay blasts were sentenced to death. Where is justice for minorities in India?

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