Comments on: The end of the flying Beefeater http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: kuffir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203863 kuffir Tue, 20 May 2008 16:36:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203863 <p>the economic reasons don't sound very un-fishy either. beef, if sourced from india, would be cheaper than most other meats. and i thought it was live cows which caused emissions and not dead ones.</p> the economic reasons don’t sound very un-fishy either. beef, if sourced from india, would be cheaper than most other meats. and i thought it was live cows which caused emissions and not dead ones.

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203207 Samir Tue, 13 May 2008 03:13:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203207 <p>Kangaroo meat is to gamey. It too hard to eat. I once had Kangaroo Korma on the gold coast, won't try it again.</p> Kangaroo meat is to gamey. It too hard to eat. I once had Kangaroo Korma on the gold coast, won’t try it again.

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203194 melbourne desi Tue, 13 May 2008 01:18:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203194 <blockquote>The best meat I had was salt water crocodile. Tender and Soft.</blockquote> <p>a saltie is a great dish especially when cooked with spices. alligators are tougher meat.</p> <p>but the healthiest meat of the lot is Kangaroos. very lean meat - hardly any fat.</p> The best meat I had was salt water crocodile. Tender and Soft.

a saltie is a great dish especially when cooked with spices. alligators are tougher meat.

but the healthiest meat of the lot is Kangaroos. very lean meat – hardly any fat.

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By: Malibu Stacy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203165 Malibu Stacy Mon, 12 May 2008 21:56:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203165 <p>BA could have done a better job at spinning this. Instead of the Hindu angle they really should have focused on the environment benefits. For the last couple of years, the Hindu meal that I request has been veg stuff, while earlier it used to be chicken curry. In fact 2 years back on Lufthansa, an old desi couple insisted they had requested the Hindu meal and wanted chicken instead of the vegetarian meal they got, the attendant had a tough time convincing them that they were eating the Hindu meal. The bean counters are placing all meats on the chopping block mainly to cut costs. Why be coy and say Hindus will get offended?</p> BA could have done a better job at spinning this. Instead of the Hindu angle they really should have focused on the environment benefits. For the last couple of years, the Hindu meal that I request has been veg stuff, while earlier it used to be chicken curry. In fact 2 years back on Lufthansa, an old desi couple insisted they had requested the Hindu meal and wanted chicken instead of the vegetarian meal they got, the attendant had a tough time convincing them that they were eating the Hindu meal. The bean counters are placing all meats on the chopping block mainly to cut costs. Why be coy and say Hindus will get offended?

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203125 Pravin Mon, 12 May 2008 17:31:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203125 <p>I love beef. But I won't miss the mystery beef I have gotten on airlines in the past. I have enjoyed the lamb stuff I ate on international flights.</p> I love beef. But I won’t miss the mystery beef I have gotten on airlines in the past. I have enjoyed the lamb stuff I ate on international flights.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203122 amaun Mon, 12 May 2008 16:57:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203122 <p><i>that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this <em>VERY</em> hard to believe.</i></p> <p><a href="http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/co2_human.html">Link to CO2 from transportation</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.epa.gov/methane/sources.html">Link to CH4 from animal husbandry</a></p> <p>Since CH4 is 21 times more effective at trapping heat, the 2005 numbers adjusted for the same trapping capacity imply that cows beat cars in the US by about 25%. Get rid of the cow, keep the car, for now!</p> that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this VERY hard to believe.

Link to CO2 from transportation

Link to CH4 from animal husbandry

Since CH4 is 21 times more effective at trapping heat, the 2005 numbers adjusted for the same trapping capacity imply that cows beat cars in the US by about 25%. Get rid of the cow, keep the car, for now!

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203116 Samir Mon, 12 May 2008 16:04:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203116 <p>The best meat I had was salt water crocodile. Tender and Soft.</p> The best meat I had was salt water crocodile. Tender and Soft.

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By: pingpong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203111 pingpong Mon, 12 May 2008 13:41:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203111 <blockquote>Finally, I recently read, maybe on this thread, that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this *VERY* hard to believe. If this is true, then I will consider removing beef from my diet.</blockquote> <p>The link you want to read is the one <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-cosub2sub-from-cars-427843.html">Abhi quoted</a>. Be advised that the agriculture vs transportation vs industry vs residential/commercial split can get a little fuzzy at the edges. For instance, should the environmental impact of fertilizer manufacture be counted in the agriculture sector or in the industry sector? How about transporting plants/animals/fungi and their derivatives - agriculture or transportation sector? And so on. In most cases, seemingly inconsistent results between different studies are usually caused by such differences in classification, <i>but for any one classification, the year-to-year trends should be easily comparable</i>.</p> Finally, I recently read, maybe on this thread, that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this *VERY* hard to believe. If this is true, then I will consider removing beef from my diet.

The link you want to read is the one Abhi quoted. Be advised that the agriculture vs transportation vs industry vs residential/commercial split can get a little fuzzy at the edges. For instance, should the environmental impact of fertilizer manufacture be counted in the agriculture sector or in the industry sector? How about transporting plants/animals/fungi and their derivatives – agriculture or transportation sector? And so on. In most cases, seemingly inconsistent results between different studies are usually caused by such differences in classification, but for any one classification, the year-to-year trends should be easily comparable.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203107 Meena Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203107 <p>khoofia:</p> <blockquote>On another note - i personally think fish harvesting is no more or less morally upright than beef farming. For every chilean bass you are enjoying today fer instance, there's a couple of hundred kilos of lower-end aqualife that got obliterated. At least the cow lives and dies alone - like akela the lone wolf, or like clint eastwood, do ye feel lucky, punk!.</blockquote> <p>Uh-huh. Not to mention that higher-end aquatic life as well - dolphins, turtles, sharks, even whales are strangled in nets. Not to mention the destruction done to coral reefs by cyanide poisoning and trawler nets. Let's not forget about those species which are driven to the brink of extinction - cod, eel, yellowfin and bluefin tuna. Unfortunately these days fish is increasingly touted as the healthier option compared to red meat. Fishing is really the least morally acceptable form of animal harvesting!</p> khoofia:

On another note – i personally think fish harvesting is no more or less morally upright than beef farming. For every chilean bass you are enjoying today fer instance, there’s a couple of hundred kilos of lower-end aqualife that got obliterated. At least the cow lives and dies alone – like akela the lone wolf, or like clint eastwood, do ye feel lucky, punk!.

Uh-huh. Not to mention that higher-end aquatic life as well – dolphins, turtles, sharks, even whales are strangled in nets. Not to mention the destruction done to coral reefs by cyanide poisoning and trawler nets. Let’s not forget about those species which are driven to the brink of extinction – cod, eel, yellowfin and bluefin tuna. Unfortunately these days fish is increasingly touted as the healthier option compared to red meat. Fishing is really the least morally acceptable form of animal harvesting!

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/11/the_end_of_the/comment-page-1/#comment-203104 boston_mahesh Mon, 12 May 2008 08:12:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5182#comment-203104 <p><b><i>9 · <b>jyotsana</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005182.html#comment203080">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23483255-details/British+Airways+takes+beef+off+the+menu+to+avoid+offending+Hindus/article.do" rel="nofollow"><blockquote>The Hindu Council UK said: "The Hindu community will welcome this decision and the news it has been made partly because Hindus don't eat beef. </blockquote></a> "Hindus have a great deal of respect for British culture and are well integrated into the British way of life, so it's good to see evidence of how they are literally flying the British flag by choosing British Airways. "That said, Hindus are tolerant of the beliefs of others and do not expect everyone to stop eating a food because they do not eat it." In the past three months world beef prices have risen from about £2,500 a tonne to more than £4,000 a tonne, largely because of the weakening dollar and rising feed costs. BA also said that cost is not a reason for the decision to stop serving beef. Why can't BA set the record straight? Beef in India is awesome - lean, juicy, and flavourful. Syrian beef curry, Bangalore Beef Brinjal, and Bade Miyan's Boti Kabab in Colaba, the kati rolls at Nizam's Calcutta, I could go on... </blockquote> <p></b></p> <p>I've had Indian beef some years ago in Christian Kerala (at a Hindu family's home). I think that the meat may have been more tougher (or this may have been because of Indian's over-cooking of meats). Goat meat rules, my friend. Next time, I think that I'll have to try Indian beef. Did you know that the Brahma bull, which is the predominant meat cow in S. and N. America, came from the Indian zebu cow? Also, there are about 100M cows in the USA and about 400M in India, and on a per capita basis, these two numbers are equal.</p> <p>Finally, I recently read, maybe on this thread, that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this <em>VERY</em> hard to believe. If this is true, then I will consider removing beef from my diet.</p> 9 · jyotsana said

The Hindu Council UK said: “The Hindu community will welcome this decision and the news it has been made partly because Hindus don’t eat beef.
“Hindus have a great deal of respect for British culture and are well integrated into the British way of life, so it’s good to see evidence of how they are literally flying the British flag by choosing British Airways. “That said, Hindus are tolerant of the beliefs of others and do not expect everyone to stop eating a food because they do not eat it.” In the past three months world beef prices have risen from about £2,500 a tonne to more than £4,000 a tonne, largely because of the weakening dollar and rising feed costs. BA also said that cost is not a reason for the decision to stop serving beef. Why can’t BA set the record straight? Beef in India is awesome – lean, juicy, and flavourful. Syrian beef curry, Bangalore Beef Brinjal, and Bade Miyan’s Boti Kabab in Colaba, the kati rolls at Nizam’s Calcutta, I could go on…

I’ve had Indian beef some years ago in Christian Kerala (at a Hindu family’s home). I think that the meat may have been more tougher (or this may have been because of Indian’s over-cooking of meats). Goat meat rules, my friend. Next time, I think that I’ll have to try Indian beef. Did you know that the Brahma bull, which is the predominant meat cow in S. and N. America, came from the Indian zebu cow? Also, there are about 100M cows in the USA and about 400M in India, and on a per capita basis, these two numbers are equal.

Finally, I recently read, maybe on this thread, that cows are the biggest causes of greenhouse gases, and it surpasses CO2 emissions from cars. I find this VERY hard to believe. If this is true, then I will consider removing beef from my diet.

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