Comments on: The Strange, Twisted Tale of Priya Venkatesan, PhD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Booked http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-284216 Booked Thu, 19 May 2011 10:16:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-284216 <p>All I want to say - without in any way supporting the profoundly bizarre and odd act of attempting to sue your students for being their silly, young selves - is that, if you have never been a woman of color attempting to teach in the humanities (or any other discipline for that matter) in one of these Ivy League institutions, then its going to be extremely difficult bordering on impossible for you to understand what it is like in these environments, and why this poor woman may have snapped like she did. Let me explain:</p> <p>There is an inherent competitive hostility (even with/against a student's professor/instructor) because it is The Ivys. Then add in the "naturally" socialized prejudices/biases and argumentative predilections of young people who are in fact untutored and unschooled but believe themselves already perfectly brilliant - after all they were valedictorian of their school or whatever - and you have a recipe for some often very difficult classroom moments as an instructor/professor of color. And being a woman can often make things ten times worse! Heck, in discussing teaching pedagogy, we have to make sure we cover the chapter titled:</p> <p>"How to deal with an extremely stubborn and hostile student who is targeting you for harassment - probably/possibly due to race or gender - in a neutral and diplomatic fashion"</p> <p>And this is even if you are teaching something very rote and basic and widely accepted. In the past with difficult students, teaching simple reading/writing techniques, I have had to literally blanket the table/desk at the front of the classroom in paper/texts from other, respected, published, usually White sources that echo whatever I've been trying to teach, just to get students to lay off! Even now I can hear myself saying, "Look, Plato started doing this first, not me, and that's why the university feels it is important for you to learn." Sigh. It can drive one insane.</p> <p>That said, I have pity on her, although I think she only made things worse with all this lawsuit business. She just should have written it off as a bad semester and moved on! You can't win every group over every term.</p> All I want to say – without in any way supporting the profoundly bizarre and odd act of attempting to sue your students for being their silly, young selves – is that, if you have never been a woman of color attempting to teach in the humanities (or any other discipline for that matter) in one of these Ivy League institutions, then its going to be extremely difficult bordering on impossible for you to understand what it is like in these environments, and why this poor woman may have snapped like she did. Let me explain:

There is an inherent competitive hostility (even with/against a student’s professor/instructor) because it is The Ivys. Then add in the “naturally” socialized prejudices/biases and argumentative predilections of young people who are in fact untutored and unschooled but believe themselves already perfectly brilliant – after all they were valedictorian of their school or whatever – and you have a recipe for some often very difficult classroom moments as an instructor/professor of color. And being a woman can often make things ten times worse! Heck, in discussing teaching pedagogy, we have to make sure we cover the chapter titled:

“How to deal with an extremely stubborn and hostile student who is targeting you for harassment – probably/possibly due to race or gender – in a neutral and diplomatic fashion”

And this is even if you are teaching something very rote and basic and widely accepted. In the past with difficult students, teaching simple reading/writing techniques, I have had to literally blanket the table/desk at the front of the classroom in paper/texts from other, respected, published, usually White sources that echo whatever I’ve been trying to teach, just to get students to lay off! Even now I can hear myself saying, “Look, Plato started doing this first, not me, and that’s why the university feels it is important for you to learn.” Sigh. It can drive one insane.

That said, I have pity on her, although I think she only made things worse with all this lawsuit business. She just should have written it off as a bad semester and moved on! You can’t win every group over every term.

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By: Priya Venkatesan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-274296 Priya Venkatesan Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:29:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-274296 <p>Maria Brown (who posted the above comment) was a very sad, pathetic, lonely and mentally disturbed old woman when living next door to us - this clearly hasn't changed and her life is obviously still empty, as she spends her time obsessing over and stalking her old neighbours, and has not moved on from her usual tired, dull vindictive bitchy behaviour. I (Priya Venkatesan, a medical writer from London, NOT the American professor discussed in this blog - please learn to read Maria, or perhaps get someone else to explain the blog to you, it is obviously too difficult for you to grasp) am extremely happy in my life. I feel sorry for you Maria that your life is so pointless that you need to stalk people. I hope you get the psychiatric help you so obviously need as soon as possible, then maybe you can try to get some semblance of happiness in your life too...</p> Maria Brown (who posted the above comment) was a very sad, pathetic, lonely and mentally disturbed old woman when living next door to us – this clearly hasn’t changed and her life is obviously still empty, as she spends her time obsessing over and stalking her old neighbours, and has not moved on from her usual tired, dull vindictive bitchy behaviour. I (Priya Venkatesan, a medical writer from London, NOT the American professor discussed in this blog – please learn to read Maria, or perhaps get someone else to explain the blog to you, it is obviously too difficult for you to grasp) am extremely happy in my life. I feel sorry for you Maria that your life is so pointless that you need to stalk people. I hope you get the psychiatric help you so obviously need as soon as possible, then maybe you can try to get some semblance of happiness in your life too…

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By: maria http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-257045 maria Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:34:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-257045 <p>I too was browsing the name venkatesan to find out what happened to the neighbours i used to have in Edgware, middlesex. First i found out that Priya's younger brother Shankar (formerly 'brain of britain') blew himself up after disturbed years. Then I came across this site. It looks and sounds like the priya next door all right. I lived beside them with my young son for 5 years which were literally terrorising. The mother is definitely behind the psychotic behaviour of the children. Instead of social services looking into the way young Shankar and priya were being treated they chose to victimise me further. The venkatesans had me arrested many times with false claims but unfortunately no one would ever believe me. TIME WILL TELL eh. I am very sad to hear what has happened with the children but at the same time serioulsy nobody's sanity is safe in priya's class and maybe also a physical danger</p> I too was browsing the name venkatesan to find out what happened to the neighbours i used to have in Edgware, middlesex. First i found out that Priya’s younger brother Shankar (formerly ‘brain of britain’) blew himself up after disturbed years. Then I came across this site. It looks and sounds like the priya next door all right. I lived beside them with my young son for 5 years which were literally terrorising. The mother is definitely behind the psychotic behaviour of the children. Instead of social services looking into the way young Shankar and priya were being treated they chose to victimise me further. The venkatesans had me arrested many times with false claims but unfortunately no one would ever believe me. TIME WILL TELL eh. I am very sad to hear what has happened with the children but at the same time serioulsy nobody’s sanity is safe in priya’s class and maybe also a physical danger

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By: Priya Venkatesan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-234539 Priya Venkatesan Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:25:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-234539 <p>Don't get excited, it's not the infamous Priya Venkatesan of scientific theory-dismissing, student-suing fame, but a mild-mannered medical writer from london (UK) with the same name. I googled myself on a slow Monday afternoon and was highly amused to see this story. I've crossed off Dartmouth as a potential holiday destination this year, but I will sue all of you if you're mean to me on this blog (ha ha, joke...!)</p> Don’t get excited, it’s not the infamous Priya Venkatesan of scientific theory-dismissing, student-suing fame, but a mild-mannered medical writer from london (UK) with the same name. I googled myself on a slow Monday afternoon and was highly amused to see this story. I’ve crossed off Dartmouth as a potential holiday destination this year, but I will sue all of you if you’re mean to me on this blog (ha ha, joke…!)

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By: Lambypie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-206971 Lambypie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:42:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-206971 <p>I just popped in to read about the bizarro ex-Dartmouth prof. As a physicist, I of course agree with your analysis, but my main reason for chiming in was to tell you how much I enjoy the name of your blog -- it appeals to the history student in me!</p> I just popped in to read about the bizarro ex-Dartmouth prof. As a physicist, I of course agree with your analysis, but my main reason for chiming in was to tell you how much I enjoy the name of your blog — it appeals to the history student in me!

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By: Annoyed With Campus Silliness http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-8/#comment-206215 Annoyed With Campus Silliness Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:57:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-206215 <p>I hope this is read, but if students get terrorized by crazy professors over radical teachings the students refuse to go along with, here's a place to complain about how you paid $40K a year tuition only to get ripped off...</p> <p>http://www.ripoffreport.com</p> <p>Please TELL people about the site.</p> <p>This is going to be the way students go way beyond the silly Rate My Professor site and get to enter the prof's name in the keyword search section of that title box (use words like: So-and-So Taught Thus-and-Such at X Cost to Student, Prof Did Thus and Such).</p> <p>Instantly, their name will appear on the internet at the top of the search listings on Google.</p> <p>And THEN we'll see how many students start getting nasty emails threatening lawsuits over difference of opinion on the course content. THEN we'll see what the Priya Venkatesans of Whackademia (because half of them are, indeed, crazy) do in their classes once their names are all over the internet.</p> <p>This site is even FASTER than complaining to Fox News Channel to see if they'll cover it. It'll hit Google search pronto.</p> <p>Tell fellow students about the site. It's a Godsend for abused students.</p> I hope this is read, but if students get terrorized by crazy professors over radical teachings the students refuse to go along with, here’s a place to complain about how you paid $40K a year tuition only to get ripped off…

http://www.ripoffreport.com

Please TELL people about the site.

This is going to be the way students go way beyond the silly Rate My Professor site and get to enter the prof’s name in the keyword search section of that title box (use words like: So-and-So Taught Thus-and-Such at X Cost to Student, Prof Did Thus and Such).

Instantly, their name will appear on the internet at the top of the search listings on Google.

And THEN we’ll see how many students start getting nasty emails threatening lawsuits over difference of opinion on the course content. THEN we’ll see what the Priya Venkatesans of Whackademia (because half of them are, indeed, crazy) do in their classes once their names are all over the internet.

This site is even FASTER than complaining to Fox News Channel to see if they’ll cover it. It’ll hit Google search pronto.

Tell fellow students about the site. It’s a Godsend for abused students.

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-7/#comment-204237 sakshi Fri, 23 May 2008 20:14:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-204237 <p>Really late to this post: and I just read the last few comments. Commonsense makes some excellent points, so do Kush and Divya. There are both kinds of scientists, those who do amazing things just sitting down with a pen and paper, and the ones who need millions of dollars to run huge programs, whatever. I think there's an old seers vs. craftspeople argument around this, and also about who is more important, <i>wagerah, wagerah</i> ;) .</p> <p>For those who want an easy jargon-free introduction to these ideas, I'd recommend the last five chapters of Lee Smolin's 'The Trouble with Physics'. If you don't trust humanities profs can take heart: its written by a physicist, and a well-respected one at that. Though most of what he says is derived from Feyeraband, Kuhn, Popper, etc.</p> Really late to this post: and I just read the last few comments. Commonsense makes some excellent points, so do Kush and Divya. There are both kinds of scientists, those who do amazing things just sitting down with a pen and paper, and the ones who need millions of dollars to run huge programs, whatever. I think there’s an old seers vs. craftspeople argument around this, and also about who is more important, wagerah, wagerah ;) .

For those who want an easy jargon-free introduction to these ideas, I’d recommend the last five chapters of Lee Smolin’s ‘The Trouble with Physics’. If you don’t trust humanities profs can take heart: its written by a physicist, and a well-respected one at that. Though most of what he says is derived from Feyeraband, Kuhn, Popper, etc.

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By: Divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-7/#comment-203817 Divya Mon, 19 May 2008 18:12:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-203817 <p>Kush - thanks for all the interesting info and links. Glad to see the spirit still alive and come to think of it, even recetnly it's been the guys working out of their garages that come up with the winning algorithms.</p> <p>commonsense,</p> <blockquote>attributes his success due to strange imaginations while driving thru california etc. but sure, this would not have been possible had he not been picked up by Cetus where he found an institutional setting that made possible for his "wild imaginations" to become real, institutionally speaking....</blockquote> <p>Yes, I know this is hugely important and I'm always more aware of it when travelling in India. Think of the many einsteins there must be hidden away in those villages who barely get to go to school. However, when it comes down to a discussion about the construction of science vis-a-vis the construction of the social sciences, I'm not convinced if this is a <em>significant</em> point (to use your handy word). It's just a trivial truth about anything in life, imo, and the junk sciences cannot simply use this to validate their status or to drag the purer sciences down to their level.</p> Kush – thanks for all the interesting info and links. Glad to see the spirit still alive and come to think of it, even recetnly it’s been the guys working out of their garages that come up with the winning algorithms.

commonsense,

attributes his success due to strange imaginations while driving thru california etc. but sure, this would not have been possible had he not been picked up by Cetus where he found an institutional setting that made possible for his “wild imaginations” to become real, institutionally speaking….

Yes, I know this is hugely important and I’m always more aware of it when travelling in India. Think of the many einsteins there must be hidden away in those villages who barely get to go to school. However, when it comes down to a discussion about the construction of science vis-a-vis the construction of the social sciences, I’m not convinced if this is a significant point (to use your handy word). It’s just a trivial truth about anything in life, imo, and the junk sciences cannot simply use this to validate their status or to drag the purer sciences down to their level.

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By: commonsense http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-7/#comment-203812 commonsense Mon, 19 May 2008 15:10:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-203812 <p>Ooops! the piece on Newton is indeed a paper by Boris Hessen in a book edited by Nikolai Bukharin et. al (1930's). I mis-wrote while half-asleep.</p> <p>Wildcat, you seem to be unduly exercised by long dead (not intellectually) Freud. It's not a question of proving or disproving him thru neroscience! Some of Freud's ideas are very important and useful. I don't have the time to expand on this, but, those who find his ideas intriguing, will apply them. If you can't stand him, best to stay away from him. Rather than instigating us to create a stink about him in the media!! Academics are already a reasonably pilloried lot and surely, whatever damage they may or may not do, the dmage inflicted even by "kooky" French narrative theory or "postmodernism", pales in comparison to the havoc wrought and to be wrought by our politicians and much of mainstream media. So, you are, in all seroiusness, asking us to alert the media about the alleged damage wrought by Freud? (Actually, I don't want this to become a debate or argument, so I'll leave it there.....pretty convenient huh? slimily giving myself the last word!!)</p> Ooops! the piece on Newton is indeed a paper by Boris Hessen in a book edited by Nikolai Bukharin et. al (1930′s). I mis-wrote while half-asleep.

Wildcat, you seem to be unduly exercised by long dead (not intellectually) Freud. It’s not a question of proving or disproving him thru neroscience! Some of Freud’s ideas are very important and useful. I don’t have the time to expand on this, but, those who find his ideas intriguing, will apply them. If you can’t stand him, best to stay away from him. Rather than instigating us to create a stink about him in the media!! Academics are already a reasonably pilloried lot and surely, whatever damage they may or may not do, the dmage inflicted even by “kooky” French narrative theory or “postmodernism”, pales in comparison to the havoc wrought and to be wrought by our politicians and much of mainstream media. So, you are, in all seroiusness, asking us to alert the media about the alleged damage wrought by Freud? (Actually, I don’t want this to become a debate or argument, so I’ll leave it there…..pretty convenient huh? slimily giving myself the last word!!)

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By: Wildcat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/05/08/the_strange_twi/comment-page-7/#comment-203804 Wildcat Mon, 19 May 2008 09:11:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5177#comment-203804 <p>Someone mentioned Northwestern not being a step down from Dartmouth and wondering how she got hired.</p> <p>I go to Northwestern, and word is that it's possible that the news broke after she'd already been hired.</p> <p>Not sure if that's true, or not, but if they hired her for a research position (have heard she's in the nanotech area doing some type of research, but not teaching writing as far as I know), then perhaps she's at least capable of doing some type of lab work, the kooky "French narrative theory" in what was supposed to be a writing class aside.</p> <p>By the way, if the media covering academia follies ever read these comments, please...I beg of you...do some reporting on the crank Freudian theory that some in the humanities and social sciences are still upholding as valid. It's pure bunk (being disproved by modern neuroscience), but we had some nutcase licensed clinical psychologist teach a psych class, and he was acting like Freud was correct. Baloney!</p> <p>Please...people will continue to believe this bunk unless the MSM does more reporting on the more weirded out stuff some of these academic cranks are into.</p> <p>Postmodernism is scary, yes, but please report on Freud. I beg of you. Some idiot tried to infer that someone might be suicidal (at least in thought, even if not in actual behavior) just because they wanted to report on some literary figure who had all kinds of issues with alcohol and other stuff. They thought that if you had an interest in the subject, it meant something of deep personal significance. That's just insane theory, and yet they have licensed psychologists teaching this crap.</p> <p>Get to the Freud-bashing, please! Chop chop.</p> Someone mentioned Northwestern not being a step down from Dartmouth and wondering how she got hired.

I go to Northwestern, and word is that it’s possible that the news broke after she’d already been hired.

Not sure if that’s true, or not, but if they hired her for a research position (have heard she’s in the nanotech area doing some type of research, but not teaching writing as far as I know), then perhaps she’s at least capable of doing some type of lab work, the kooky “French narrative theory” in what was supposed to be a writing class aside.

By the way, if the media covering academia follies ever read these comments, please…I beg of you…do some reporting on the crank Freudian theory that some in the humanities and social sciences are still upholding as valid. It’s pure bunk (being disproved by modern neuroscience), but we had some nutcase licensed clinical psychologist teach a psych class, and he was acting like Freud was correct. Baloney!

Please…people will continue to believe this bunk unless the MSM does more reporting on the more weirded out stuff some of these academic cranks are into.

Postmodernism is scary, yes, but please report on Freud. I beg of you. Some idiot tried to infer that someone might be suicidal (at least in thought, even if not in actual behavior) just because they wanted to report on some literary figure who had all kinds of issues with alcohol and other stuff. They thought that if you had an interest in the subject, it meant something of deep personal significance. That’s just insane theory, and yet they have licensed psychologists teaching this crap.

Get to the Freud-bashing, please! Chop chop.

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