Comments on: Too Many Desi Docs http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Boris http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-204614 Boris Fri, 30 May 2008 02:41:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-204614 <p>And this is old news - I don't know how it's a "gotcha" for "leftists". The govt let in a whole bunch of degreed/middle class people, hence the demographics. The model minority myth is a convenient anti-black rhetorical tool that's lapped up by ignorant, smug uppper-class asians who don't have a grasp of how social policies form societies. I find the assumption that being a doctor or whatever necessarily means one is smart ridiculous - I know cus I'm surrounded by petty, gossipy, shallow people in "successful" job roles, and my mum who's a doctor talks about dumbasses in her field who came to work drunk, didn't use gloves before they became mandatory or re-used dirty needles. A young white woman who went for several years on maternity leave came back and became the director. The immigrant women doctors get the brunt of the crappy work and the least help.</p> And this is old news – I don’t know how it’s a “gotcha” for “leftists”. The govt let in a whole bunch of degreed/middle class people, hence the demographics. The model minority myth is a convenient anti-black rhetorical tool that’s lapped up by ignorant, smug uppper-class asians who don’t have a grasp of how social policies form societies. I find the assumption that being a doctor or whatever necessarily means one is smart ridiculous – I know cus I’m surrounded by petty, gossipy, shallow people in “successful” job roles, and my mum who’s a doctor talks about dumbasses in her field who came to work drunk, didn’t use gloves before they became mandatory or re-used dirty needles. A young white woman who went for several years on maternity leave came back and became the director. The immigrant women doctors get the brunt of the crappy work and the least help.

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By: Boris http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-204612 Boris Fri, 30 May 2008 02:28:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-204612 <p>why are people forgetting the role of immigration policy in racial/class formation in the US? The model minority myth does not apply in all countries with a South Asian diaspora. I see a lot of sneering at "social science professors" and "leftists" in general for "harping" on racial inequality, so how do you all interpret the model minority myth? Proof that Indians and Chinese are the ubermensch? GTFO. I guess it's just another day at Sepia Mutiny.</p> why are people forgetting the role of immigration policy in racial/class formation in the US? The model minority myth does not apply in all countries with a South Asian diaspora. I see a lot of sneering at “social science professors” and “leftists” in general for “harping” on racial inequality, so how do you all interpret the model minority myth? Proof that Indians and Chinese are the ubermensch? GTFO. I guess it’s just another day at Sepia Mutiny.

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By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200880 SM Intern Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:31:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200880 <p>Hey folks - cut out the personal attacks or this comment thread gets shut down.</p> Hey folks – cut out the personal attacks or this comment thread gets shut down.

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By: Blog_Prowler http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200864 Blog_Prowler Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:16:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200864 <p>Hey Prema/Vyasa/Who</p> <p>WTF don't you go hang out amongst your own kind ?</p> <p>Just because Indians are hospitable doesn't mean you wear out your welcome with your rage.</p> <p>There is an old Persian curse "Be angry and die of this anger."</p> <p>Make sure your ER doctor isn't from India though.</p> Hey Prema/Vyasa/Who

WTF don’t you go hang out amongst your own kind ?

Just because Indians are hospitable doesn’t mean you wear out your welcome with your rage.

There is an old Persian curse “Be angry and die of this anger.”

Make sure your ER doctor isn’t from India though.

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By: Rahul S http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200861 Rahul S Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:57:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200861 <p>Why does Prema/Vyasa keep on changing its name.</p> Why does Prema/Vyasa keep on changing its name.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200859 portmanteau Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:43:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200859 <p><i>81 · <b>who</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005151.html#comment200853">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>What you and portmanteau should say, if you were intellectually honest, is not "India has too many doctors" which is an outright lie, but "India has too many doctors who want to get the hell out of there".</blockquote> <p>i say something like that in comment #74 (<b>read</b> line 1). india-trained physicians may not want to get the hell out of the motherland, but certainly, if they want to get a post-MBBS education, they might not have another option. if you wish us to express our sentiments as per your command, maybe you should take a page out of dear leader's playbook. didn't he say that power grows out of the barrel of a gun? haranguing people over the internet doesn't work quite as well, little mao.</p> 81 · who said

What you and portmanteau should say, if you were intellectually honest, is not “India has too many doctors” which is an outright lie, but “India has too many doctors who want to get the hell out of there”.

i say something like that in comment #74 (read line 1). india-trained physicians may not want to get the hell out of the motherland, but certainly, if they want to get a post-MBBS education, they might not have another option. if you wish us to express our sentiments as per your command, maybe you should take a page out of dear leader’s playbook. didn’t he say that power grows out of the barrel of a gun? haranguing people over the internet doesn’t work quite as well, little mao.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200856 Manju Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200856 <p><i>80 · <B>who</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005151.html#comment200849">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Going with white doctors instead, which group according to his delusion includes indian doctors!</blockquote> <p>heh. after reading vinods post, i thought "my god, prema is going to have a conniption: indians are being classified as white." apparently, the thought of whites classifying indians is white is too much for him to bear, so he projects the delusion onto razib, who obviously is as opposed to this classification as he is to affirmative action itself.</p> 80 · who said

Going with white doctors instead, which group according to his delusion includes indian doctors!

heh. after reading vinods post, i thought “my god, prema is going to have a conniption: indians are being classified as white.” apparently, the thought of whites classifying indians is white is too much for him to bear, so he projects the delusion onto razib, who obviously is as opposed to this classification as he is to affirmative action itself.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200855 Manju Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:06:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200855 <blockquote>Asians do well, particularly Indians, because they are an artificially selected population, generally having already benefitted from 50 years of Indian government investment in technical education. </blockquote> <p>does this also mean that mexican immigrants do poorly because they are an artifically selected population, generally low skilled laboarer who've been hurt by 50years of anti-free market policies of the mexican oligarchy? if the model minority is a myth, wouldn't ant-mexican racism be a myth too?</p> Asians do well, particularly Indians, because they are an artificially selected population, generally having already benefitted from 50 years of Indian government investment in technical education.

does this also mean that mexican immigrants do poorly because they are an artifically selected population, generally low skilled laboarer who’ve been hurt by 50years of anti-free market policies of the mexican oligarchy? if the model minority is a myth, wouldn’t ant-mexican racism be a myth too?

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By: who http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200853 who Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:49:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200853 <p><i>66 · <b>jyotsana</b> <a href=http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/cgi-bin/mt/"http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005151.html#comment200773">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>India has too many doctors, many more than it can gainfully train and emply. The post-MBBS training opportunities are severely limited, and less by an order of magnitude than the number of MMBS seats. That's why doctors complete their residency and leave for the US. There are a quite a few doctors who leave India to take up PhD programs abroad, since all they want to do is research. As with most other portfolios, the Health portfolio in India is held by an A-grade chump - Anbumani Ramadoss - who is so busy exploting his 23 servants out of Lutyens bungalow in New Delhi and hectoring Rajanikanth that he doesn't have the time to look into these matters. In the meanwhile Ramadoss is all set to hand out medical school licenses to Jerry Falwell Liberty University type diploma mills. The PM couldn't care less as long as Ramadoss's party continues to support the ruling alliance and his puppetmaster the lady on Race Course Road is happy. </blockquote> <p>How the heck does any of this lead to the conclusion that India has "too many doctors", an overflowing "surplus" that spills over to the developed nations? When the reality is that India is suffering from an acute shortage of doctors. You are just giving reasons for why doctors trained in India prefer to go abroad instead of staying home. And amusingly you neglect to mention the bottom line reason: they are desperate to go abroad because they know they can make a helluva lot more money there than they can in India.</p> <p>What you and portmanteau should say, if you were intellectually honest, is not "India has too many doctors" which is an outright lie, but "India has too many doctors who want to get the hell out of there".</p> 66 · jyotsana said

India has too many doctors, many more than it can gainfully train and emply. The post-MBBS training opportunities are severely limited, and less by an order of magnitude than the number of MMBS seats. That’s why doctors complete their residency and leave for the US. There are a quite a few doctors who leave India to take up PhD programs abroad, since all they want to do is research. As with most other portfolios, the Health portfolio in India is held by an A-grade chump – Anbumani Ramadoss – who is so busy exploting his 23 servants out of Lutyens bungalow in New Delhi and hectoring Rajanikanth that he doesn’t have the time to look into these matters. In the meanwhile Ramadoss is all set to hand out medical school licenses to Jerry Falwell Liberty University type diploma mills. The PM couldn’t care less as long as Ramadoss’s party continues to support the ruling alliance and his puppetmaster the lady on Race Course Road is happy.

How the heck does any of this lead to the conclusion that India has “too many doctors”, an overflowing “surplus” that spills over to the developed nations? When the reality is that India is suffering from an acute shortage of doctors. You are just giving reasons for why doctors trained in India prefer to go abroad instead of staying home. And amusingly you neglect to mention the bottom line reason: they are desperate to go abroad because they know they can make a helluva lot more money there than they can in India.

What you and portmanteau should say, if you were intellectually honest, is not “India has too many doctors” which is an outright lie, but “India has too many doctors who want to get the hell out of there”.

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By: who http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/19/too_many_desi_d/comment-page-2/#comment-200849 who Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:14:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5151#comment-200849 <p><i>71 · <b>Who let the 'who' out?</b> <a href=http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/cgi-bin/mt/"http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005151.html#comment200785">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>Do you find anything FALSE in the comments you referred ?. If so, can you explain?. Do you think "who" made up the news reports about Dr. Patel and Dr. Desai?</blockquote>you are right, ponniyin selvan. it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that immigrant indian doctors with indian accents are murderous, unethical scum from those two examples. my bad. </blockquote> <p>What you are conveniently neglecting to consider is that these two weren't just the usual random examples of doctor misconduct, these are probably the two worst examples that have been in the news in the past few years. Dr Patel, known as Dr Death, is responsible for at least 87 deaths due to his incompetence and Dr Desai may have infected 40,000 americans with the AIDs virus due to shoddy practices in his clinics. Of course someone like you who is irrational enough to argue that the "bid-ask spread" explains the "surplus" of doctors in India may find it hard to understand why americans who have been following the news could have a reason to be wary of indian doctors based on just those two examples.</p> <p>The reason I brought this up was to counter the self-serving putdown of black and hispanic doctors by one poster here. Apparently he thinks that black and hispanic doctors are incompetent due to lower standards applied to them in medical school and therefore whites choose to avoid them if they can afford to do so. Going with white doctors instead, which group according to his delusion includes indian doctors! Though he did throw in the caveat about indian accents turning whites off to give the impression that he was being fair and objective in his analysis.</p> 71 · Who let the ‘who’ out? said

Do you find anything FALSE in the comments you referred ?. If so, can you explain?. Do you think “who” made up the news reports about Dr. Patel and Dr. Desai?
you are right, ponniyin selvan. it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that immigrant indian doctors with indian accents are murderous, unethical scum from those two examples. my bad.

What you are conveniently neglecting to consider is that these two weren’t just the usual random examples of doctor misconduct, these are probably the two worst examples that have been in the news in the past few years. Dr Patel, known as Dr Death, is responsible for at least 87 deaths due to his incompetence and Dr Desai may have infected 40,000 americans with the AIDs virus due to shoddy practices in his clinics. Of course someone like you who is irrational enough to argue that the “bid-ask spread” explains the “surplus” of doctors in India may find it hard to understand why americans who have been following the news could have a reason to be wary of indian doctors based on just those two examples.

The reason I brought this up was to counter the self-serving putdown of black and hispanic doctors by one poster here. Apparently he thinks that black and hispanic doctors are incompetent due to lower standards applied to them in medical school and therefore whites choose to avoid them if they can afford to do so. Going with white doctors instead, which group according to his delusion includes indian doctors! Though he did throw in the caveat about indian accents turning whites off to give the impression that he was being fair and objective in his analysis.

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