Comments on: Soft bigotry of low expectations http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mark http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200857 Mark Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:22:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200857 <p><i>66 · <B>Amrita</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005149.html#comment200513">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I don't know that this bigotry is particularly soft. I mean, it bears out the "can't tell them apart" thing in a dangerous manner, like John McCain easily confusing Shia with Sunni. On a scale of ethnic evaluation, maybe like if Pranab Mukherjee kept calling Sweden Finland. </blockquote> <p>John McCain was lying on purpose. He repeated the same lie three or four times before it was reported by the press. Neoconservatives at the Pentagon are preparing the ground for an attack on Iran. Bush spokesholes lied about the smoking gun being a mushroom cloud before the attack on Iraq. Until recently many Americans thought Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. That's democracy. You can fool most of the people most of the time.</p> 66 · Amrita said

I don’t know that this bigotry is particularly soft. I mean, it bears out the “can’t tell them apart” thing in a dangerous manner, like John McCain easily confusing Shia with Sunni. On a scale of ethnic evaluation, maybe like if Pranab Mukherjee kept calling Sweden Finland.

John McCain was lying on purpose. He repeated the same lie three or four times before it was reported by the press. Neoconservatives at the Pentagon are preparing the ground for an attack on Iran. Bush spokesholes lied about the smoking gun being a mushroom cloud before the attack on Iraq. Until recently many Americans thought Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. That’s democracy. You can fool most of the people most of the time.

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200763 cookiebrown Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:14:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200763 <p>And I contend that my lousy punctuation is some mental phenomenon of great scientific interest too.</p> And I contend that my lousy punctuation is some mental phenomenon of great scientific interest too.

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200762 cookiebrown Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:11:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200762 <p>What we really need is the opinion of a knowledgeable clinical psychiatrist. Are repeated verbal slips like this a well known phenomenon, like deja-vu and Freudian slips and my wife saying, for a period of a year or so, Hong Kong every time she meant Tokyo ...And she has lived in both cities!</p> What we really need is the opinion of a knowledgeable clinical psychiatrist. Are repeated verbal slips like this a well known phenomenon, like deja-vu and Freudian slips and my wife saying, for a period of a year or so, Hong Kong every time she meant Tokyo …And she has lived in both cities!

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By: serenityha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200731 serenityha Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:03:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200731 <p>Erdd! More proof that Stephanopoulos is an incompetent, smug, dum arse!</p> Erdd! More proof that Stephanopoulos is an incompetent, smug, dum arse!

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By: Bridget Jones http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200631 Bridget Jones Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:05:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200631 <p>"The only way I can get sleep at night is by imagining a secret cabal of highly competent pupprtmasters who are handing the important decisions while our elected politicians debate flag burning and the definition of marriage..." -Scott Adams</p> “The only way I can get sleep at night is by imagining a secret cabal of highly competent pupprtmasters who are handing the important decisions while our elected politicians debate flag burning and the definition of marriage…” -Scott Adams

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200537 Neale Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:45:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200537 <p><i>57 · <B><A href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com" rel=nofollow>Ennis</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005149.html#comment200492">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>deport</blockquote> <p>Sorry, got carried away.</p> 57 · Ennis said

deport

Sorry, got carried away.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200533 louiecypher Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:02:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200533 <blockquote>Not really. A king is chosen/loved by the people, a dictator is a self-appointed/usually hated ruler. I have friends from Nepal and they have no doubt monarchy worked well in Nepal and the people loved the king. According to them maoists are a bunch of hooligans using the democratic platform for personal gains and not for equality.</blockquote> <p>This is probably sampling error. The Maoists are thugs but just like Indian Naxals they required extremely corrupt/malignant rule in order to gain sympathy. If the King is "loved" it is because the bar is set low (i.e. he doesn't commit matricide/patricide/fratricide and speed around Kathmandu running people over). The Maoists are no good but it was desperation that brought the Nepalese to this point. I'm happy that the Bhutanese king will spare his people this fate by introducing elements of democracy.</p> Not really. A king is chosen/loved by the people, a dictator is a self-appointed/usually hated ruler. I have friends from Nepal and they have no doubt monarchy worked well in Nepal and the people loved the king. According to them maoists are a bunch of hooligans using the democratic platform for personal gains and not for equality.

This is probably sampling error. The Maoists are thugs but just like Indian Naxals they required extremely corrupt/malignant rule in order to gain sympathy. If the King is “loved” it is because the bar is set low (i.e. he doesn’t commit matricide/patricide/fratricide and speed around Kathmandu running people over). The Maoists are no good but it was desperation that brought the Nepalese to this point. I’m happy that the Bhutanese king will spare his people this fate by introducing elements of democracy.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200529 louiecypher Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:43:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200529 <p>brain hiccough most likely. Ever see that Ali G interview with Pat Buchanan, whom I dislike but accept as very bright, where he uses a Jedi mind trick to get him to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blnduEgwBH0">replace WMD with BLT</a> ?</p> brain hiccough most likely. Ever see that Ali G interview with Pat Buchanan, whom I dislike but accept as very bright, where he uses a Jedi mind trick to get him to replace WMD with BLT ?

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By: Topcat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200524 Topcat Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:38:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200524 <blockquote>Moornam, the King was an absolute Monarch, and so, to me, a dictator</blockquote> <p>Not really. A king is chosen/loved by the people, a dictator is a self-appointed/usually hated ruler. I have friends from Nepal and they have no doubt monarchy worked well in Nepal and the people loved the king. According to them maoists are a bunch of hooligans using the democratic platform for personal gains and not for equality.</p> Moornam, the King was an absolute Monarch, and so, to me, a dictator

Not really. A king is chosen/loved by the people, a dictator is a self-appointed/usually hated ruler. I have friends from Nepal and they have no doubt monarchy worked well in Nepal and the people loved the king. According to them maoists are a bunch of hooligans using the democratic platform for personal gains and not for equality.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/soft_bigotry_of/comment-page-2/#comment-200519 Ennis Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:59:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5149#comment-200519 <blockquote>The word "dictator", I would think you agree, has negative (brutal, repressive et al) connotations. Using it on all absolute monarchs across history would therefore necessitate the corollary that human civilization has been seriously sad almost throughout.</blockquote> <p>I use it in a descriptive sense - a ruler unconstrained by a constitution. You can be a benign dictator or a malign one, but the point is that such a ruler is (a) non-democratic and (b) non-constitutional.</p> <p>I was trying to draw attention to the fact that neither country (Tibet nor Nepal) is governed democratically, nor do its citizens have civil-rights protected by a constitution.</p> <blockquote> Their descent from Vishnu was not the basis for their rise to power. The myth was never very strong in the country except among a few royalists, and was never strong enough to sustain them.</blockquote> <p>I agree that it was never the only basis of their rule, and that at the end it was insufficient to keep him as an absolute monarch, but Nepal is widely known as being the world's only remaining Hindu monarchy.</p> The word “dictator”, I would think you agree, has negative (brutal, repressive et al) connotations. Using it on all absolute monarchs across history would therefore necessitate the corollary that human civilization has been seriously sad almost throughout.

I use it in a descriptive sense – a ruler unconstrained by a constitution. You can be a benign dictator or a malign one, but the point is that such a ruler is (a) non-democratic and (b) non-constitutional.

I was trying to draw attention to the fact that neither country (Tibet nor Nepal) is governed democratically, nor do its citizens have civil-rights protected by a constitution.

Their descent from Vishnu was not the basis for their rise to power. The myth was never very strong in the country except among a few royalists, and was never strong enough to sustain them.

I agree that it was never the only basis of their rule, and that at the end it was insufficient to keep him as an absolute monarch, but Nepal is widely known as being the world’s only remaining Hindu monarchy.

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