Comments on: Maoist Victory in Nepal — A Good Thing? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: blackcat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200968 blackcat Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:14:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200968 <p><i>29 · <b>yeti</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005150.html#comment200611">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. <b>The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands</b> in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala.</blockquote> It's these kinds of brilliantly constructed, insightful arguments that confirm my bias against those who make them. </blockquote> <p>How is this argument wrong when Muslims having kicked out the HIndus already have a Muslim homeland in Kashmir? The rest of Indians are sleeping and think Kashmir is still a part of India. They go to Jammu and visit some shrines there and think all is well in Kashmir when there are no HIndus left there and they have become refugees in their own country. You people need to wake up and get you act together! I always admired India--but when I see that an Italian housewife runs the country and the country is set to have a Columbian housewife become a political star after the future leadership of Rahul Gandhi for the Congress party, it is a scary thought. Even Nepal woke up. Let's hope the best for it even if the government is lead by Maoists- if they can run the country properly anything is better than what Nepal had before.</p> 29 · yeti said

The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala.
It’s these kinds of brilliantly constructed, insightful arguments that confirm my bias against those who make them.

How is this argument wrong when Muslims having kicked out the HIndus already have a Muslim homeland in Kashmir? The rest of Indians are sleeping and think Kashmir is still a part of India. They go to Jammu and visit some shrines there and think all is well in Kashmir when there are no HIndus left there and they have become refugees in their own country. You people need to wake up and get you act together! I always admired India–but when I see that an Italian housewife runs the country and the country is set to have a Columbian housewife become a political star after the future leadership of Rahul Gandhi for the Congress party, it is a scary thought. Even Nepal woke up. Let’s hope the best for it even if the government is lead by Maoists- if they can run the country properly anything is better than what Nepal had before.

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By: blackcat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200965 blackcat Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:58:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200965 <p>God help the Maoists to help the people of Nepal. Nepal needs good governance--not a flood of Biharis across the border demanding a separate State in the Terai when they have been in Nepal less than 50 years. Anyone that is able go provide a good life for the native people of Nepal is a boon. If India does not help Nepal, then the Maoists should forge alliances with China.</p> God help the Maoists to help the people of Nepal. Nepal needs good governance–not a flood of Biharis across the border demanding a separate State in the Terai when they have been in Nepal less than 50 years. Anyone that is able go provide a good life for the native people of Nepal is a boon. If India does not help Nepal, then the Maoists should forge alliances with China.

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By: blackcat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200964 blackcat Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:46:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200964 <p><i>26 · <b><a href="mailto:kbhagavatula@gmail.com">padmakumar</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005150.html#comment200569">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>India is fast becoming a 2 billion population country ,aided by the English media which turns a blind eye regarding this urgent problem. The governing coalition is a hotch-potch of various sub-castiest parties and cannot govern India in a proper way. This is a perfect recipe for eventual takeover of India by the marxists and the naxalites in another 25 years. The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala. I never thought this way while growing in india, but seeing the way things happening now in Tibet and nepal, I see it coming and I feel sad. </blockquote> <p>Yes you will surely feel like this if your were a Kashmiri HIndu and forced to leave Kashmir, and I know many of them. The Indians do not seem to know of how Hindus were expelled from their homeland and how the Muslims supported the insurgents. Ask any Kashmiri Pandit and you will understand how they feel betrayed by India. The HIndus in INdia have lost Kashmir to Pakistan. No use fighting over it. Most Indians do not even seem to realize that Kashmir is a lost cause and that the insurgents supported by Pakistan have won. Perhaps if you are a Kashmiri Pandit you will come to the conclusion that it is not possible to live with Muslims. Sad truth but no amount of political correctness will change this fact. DO not delete this post because I am speaking the truth and not ranting. 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits would not have left their homes to become refugees in Delhi if it were possible to live with Muslims and Indians keep harping on the massacre in Gujrat as if its the only page in Indian history. When will Indian liberals wake up? Fact is, INdians are incapable of understanding the Kashmir situation and how it is a lost cause just as they underestimated the Maoists in Nepal. I also believe that with immigration from Bangladesh, Nepal will become majority Muslim soon or majority Madhesi from immigration from Bihar. The reason people do not like the Madhesi people is that they live in the Terai--which was mostly jungle 50 years ago. This means that the Madhesis are not native--just a small portion are perhaps native--they do not get along with the mountain people in Nepal as they are very recent immigrants to Nepal. Case closed. So if the Nepalese who have been living there for generations do not like them what is new? Just stating the facts. The Madhesis are claiming discrimination and want a separate State--they have just been in Nepal for 50 years! They were not admitted into army because it was thought that they do not have much courage and loyalty to it. They claim discrimination for it. God knows what this population will demand if they are there longer if after 50 years they are demanding a separate State already! Come in, do not assimilate and demand a separate State! Most are Biharis seeking a better life and are pitiful. Just stating the facts. No need to delete this post because it speaks the truth and is not politically correct. India is crippled because it has a coalition government that needs Leftist support and can never pass anything in Parliament...Sonia Gandhi never even gave a hearing to the Communist leaders when they were in Delhi--so if they veer towards China and if India loses an ally what is surprising in that? Who knows, if the Maoists can keep the Madheisis in control, they might do some good for Nepal because Nepal is hundreds of times smaller than India and still manageable. I never recalled beggars in Nepal even in the eights. These were things you associated with India. Considering the crimes Biharis commit in Nepal it is natural the local population views them as a burden--the border is porous they they can just come in, squat for a few years and demand rights, that is how politics works in Nepal. The government has sold out the country: give it fifty years it will be a part of Bihar.</p> 26 · padmakumar said

India is fast becoming a 2 billion population country ,aided by the English media which turns a blind eye regarding this urgent problem. The governing coalition is a hotch-potch of various sub-castiest parties and cannot govern India in a proper way. This is a perfect recipe for eventual takeover of India by the marxists and the naxalites in another 25 years. The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala. I never thought this way while growing in india, but seeing the way things happening now in Tibet and nepal, I see it coming and I feel sad.

Yes you will surely feel like this if your were a Kashmiri HIndu and forced to leave Kashmir, and I know many of them. The Indians do not seem to know of how Hindus were expelled from their homeland and how the Muslims supported the insurgents. Ask any Kashmiri Pandit and you will understand how they feel betrayed by India. The HIndus in INdia have lost Kashmir to Pakistan. No use fighting over it. Most Indians do not even seem to realize that Kashmir is a lost cause and that the insurgents supported by Pakistan have won. Perhaps if you are a Kashmiri Pandit you will come to the conclusion that it is not possible to live with Muslims. Sad truth but no amount of political correctness will change this fact. DO not delete this post because I am speaking the truth and not ranting. 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits would not have left their homes to become refugees in Delhi if it were possible to live with Muslims and Indians keep harping on the massacre in Gujrat as if its the only page in Indian history. When will Indian liberals wake up? Fact is, INdians are incapable of understanding the Kashmir situation and how it is a lost cause just as they underestimated the Maoists in Nepal. I also believe that with immigration from Bangladesh, Nepal will become majority Muslim soon or majority Madhesi from immigration from Bihar. The reason people do not like the Madhesi people is that they live in the Terai–which was mostly jungle 50 years ago. This means that the Madhesis are not native–just a small portion are perhaps native–they do not get along with the mountain people in Nepal as they are very recent immigrants to Nepal. Case closed. So if the Nepalese who have been living there for generations do not like them what is new? Just stating the facts. The Madhesis are claiming discrimination and want a separate State–they have just been in Nepal for 50 years! They were not admitted into army because it was thought that they do not have much courage and loyalty to it. They claim discrimination for it. God knows what this population will demand if they are there longer if after 50 years they are demanding a separate State already! Come in, do not assimilate and demand a separate State! Most are Biharis seeking a better life and are pitiful. Just stating the facts. No need to delete this post because it speaks the truth and is not politically correct. India is crippled because it has a coalition government that needs Leftist support and can never pass anything in Parliament…Sonia Gandhi never even gave a hearing to the Communist leaders when they were in Delhi–so if they veer towards China and if India loses an ally what is surprising in that? Who knows, if the Maoists can keep the Madheisis in control, they might do some good for Nepal because Nepal is hundreds of times smaller than India and still manageable. I never recalled beggars in Nepal even in the eights. These were things you associated with India. Considering the crimes Biharis commit in Nepal it is natural the local population views them as a burden–the border is porous they they can just come in, squat for a few years and demand rights, that is how politics works in Nepal. The government has sold out the country: give it fifty years it will be a part of Bihar.

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By: fsowalla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200756 fsowalla Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:26:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200756 <p>Rather than listen to Jyotsana's ranting, the book Red Sun - Travels in Naxalite Country by Sudeep Chakravarti paints a more balanced picture of Salwa Judum and Naxalites in India. Recommended.</p> Rather than listen to Jyotsana’s ranting, the book Red Sun – Travels in Naxalite Country by Sudeep Chakravarti paints a more balanced picture of Salwa Judum and Naxalites in India. Recommended.

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By: DizzyDesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200745 DizzyDesi Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:58:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200745 <p><i>33 · <B>Hash</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005150.html#comment200736">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Jyotsana: Are you serious when you say that armed citizenry was responsible for putting down terrorism in Punjab and Kashmir? </blockquote> <p>Google <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=Hi8&q=%22village+defence+committee%22&btnG=Search">"village defence committee"</a> (within qotes: exact word match)</p> 33 · Hash said

Jyotsana: Are you serious when you say that armed citizenry was responsible for putting down terrorism in Punjab and Kashmir?

Google “village defence committee” (within qotes: exact word match)

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By: Hash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200736 Hash Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:28:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200736 <p>Jyotsana:</p> <p>Are you serious when you say that armed citizenry was responsible for putting down terrorism in Punjab and Kashmir?</p> Jyotsana:

Are you serious when you say that armed citizenry was responsible for putting down terrorism in Punjab and Kashmir?

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200617 jyotsana Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:43:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200617 <blockquote><b>Yeti,</b> The careless use of these categories also calls up a standard, hysterical stereotype about such movements that paints a picture of them as gangs of bloodthirsty, mindless monsters roaming the countryside.</blockquote> <p>Ecepting that these are truly bloodthirsty gangs roaming around the countryside. It takes a special kind of coldbloodedness to blow up - 40 children at a school (ULFA) - 25 village folk returning from a Salwa Judum rally in a truck - carve out mens tongues and faces - Kashmiri terrorst scum - re-educate people a la PolPotists and Cultural Revolution. So the stereotype is well sketched and apt. Terrorists are just that and nothing else. And Salwa Judum should be supported. An armed citizenry is the best way to put down terrorism. It has worked in Punjab, in Kashmirm and will work in the red corridor. Whenver you find terrorist sympathisers like Varavara Rao complain about "human rights" etc., you know that the anti-terrorist actions are working. India cannot lay claims to being an emerging power unless it puts down all terrorist thugs ruthlessly. Dr.Manmohan Singh has already identified the Maoist terrorist groups as India's most serious internal security problem. It should be tackeld without any quarter given.</p> Yeti, The careless use of these categories also calls up a standard, hysterical stereotype about such movements that paints a picture of them as gangs of bloodthirsty, mindless monsters roaming the countryside.

Ecepting that these are truly bloodthirsty gangs roaming around the countryside. It takes a special kind of coldbloodedness to blow up – 40 children at a school (ULFA) – 25 village folk returning from a Salwa Judum rally in a truck – carve out mens tongues and faces – Kashmiri terrorst scum – re-educate people a la PolPotists and Cultural Revolution. So the stereotype is well sketched and apt. Terrorists are just that and nothing else. And Salwa Judum should be supported. An armed citizenry is the best way to put down terrorism. It has worked in Punjab, in Kashmirm and will work in the red corridor. Whenver you find terrorist sympathisers like Varavara Rao complain about “human rights” etc., you know that the anti-terrorist actions are working. India cannot lay claims to being an emerging power unless it puts down all terrorist thugs ruthlessly. Dr.Manmohan Singh has already identified the Maoist terrorist groups as India’s most serious internal security problem. It should be tackeld without any quarter given.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200614 rob Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:31:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200614 <blockquote>There are far too many subjective factors involved in the assessment of armed Leftist movements in South Asia to make grand pronouncements on them. There exists equally damning evidence against the Nepali and Indian police and regular armed forces, not to mention the paramilitary units such as Salwa Judum.</blockquote> <p>Yeti, I agree with you on that--the Naxalite situation is extremely nasty on both sides, in terms of the fighting.</p> There are far too many subjective factors involved in the assessment of armed Leftist movements in South Asia to make grand pronouncements on them. There exists equally damning evidence against the Nepali and Indian police and regular armed forces, not to mention the paramilitary units such as Salwa Judum.

Yeti, I agree with you on that–the Naxalite situation is extremely nasty on both sides, in terms of the fighting.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200612 jyotsana Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:22:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200612 <p>Padmakumar,</p> <p>India's commies are anything but "secular". EMS Namboodiripad in his first stint as CM of Kerala pushed through the carving out a Muslim majority district. Earlier during the movement for independence the Indian commies - several of whom were little better than paid informers of the British - actively supported the Muslim League's proposal for creating several Muslim enclaves. A couple of years back the CPI(M) passed a resolution demanding the release of Kerala's chief jihadi troublemaker Abdul Naseer Maudani from prison. The CPI(M)'s capitulation before jihadi rabble in Calcutta that preecipitated the expulsion of Taslima Nasrin from India is well known. The CPI(M) consists of very low life characters. When Musharraff visited India and hosted the terrorist thugs of Kashmir - Hurriyat, Shabbir Shah, Yasin Malik and others - the CPI(M) gleefully attended the reception at the Pakistan Assembly. But when Bush visited India the same Commie thugs in cahoots with jihadi elements wouldn't let Bush address the Indian Parliament, and organised violent demonstrations in many parts of India. The current virulent anti-US line taken by the CPI(M) is aimed at consolidating the regreessive Islamicist votebanks in Kerala and West Bengal in its favour.</p> Padmakumar,

India’s commies are anything but “secular”. EMS Namboodiripad in his first stint as CM of Kerala pushed through the carving out a Muslim majority district. Earlier during the movement for independence the Indian commies – several of whom were little better than paid informers of the British – actively supported the Muslim League’s proposal for creating several Muslim enclaves. A couple of years back the CPI(M) passed a resolution demanding the release of Kerala’s chief jihadi troublemaker Abdul Naseer Maudani from prison. The CPI(M)’s capitulation before jihadi rabble in Calcutta that preecipitated the expulsion of Taslima Nasrin from India is well known. The CPI(M) consists of very low life characters. When Musharraff visited India and hosted the terrorist thugs of Kashmir – Hurriyat, Shabbir Shah, Yasin Malik and others – the CPI(M) gleefully attended the reception at the Pakistan Assembly. But when Bush visited India the same Commie thugs in cahoots with jihadi elements wouldn’t let Bush address the Indian Parliament, and organised violent demonstrations in many parts of India. The current virulent anti-US line taken by the CPI(M) is aimed at consolidating the regreessive Islamicist votebanks in Kerala and West Bengal in its favour.

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By: yeti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/18/maoist_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-200611 yeti Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:21:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5150#comment-200611 <blockquote>The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. <b>The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands</b> in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala.</blockquote> <p>It's these kinds of brilliantly constructed, insightful arguments that confirm my bias against those who make them.</p> The nation will divide again with a new homeland for the everpopulating muslims in the new subcontinent. The communists will be glad to create a new muslim homelands in UP, AP, west bengal and kerala.

It’s these kinds of brilliantly constructed, insightful arguments that confirm my bias against those who make them.

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