Comments on: The Price of Rice http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: shakeel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-267606 shakeel Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:22:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-267606 <p>poda patti thendi bludy fool</p> poda patti thendi bludy fool

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By: Malathi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-201071 Malathi Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:22:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-201071 <blockquote>i don't care, i like roti instead anyways.</blockquote> <p>How old are you?</p> <blockquote>Why are people so concerned about rice being a 'staple' for certain groups. It is 'ok' for people to switch temporarily from rice to other staples. People are not cows or sheep, we have the capability of eating and liking many different foods. This is absolutely NO reason to take such drastic measures anyway.</blockquote> <p>Maybe you haven't seen <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/02/20/wheat-prices.html">this</a>.</p> i don’t care, i like roti instead anyways.

How old are you?

Why are people so concerned about rice being a ‘staple’ for certain groups. It is ‘ok’ for people to switch temporarily from rice to other staples. People are not cows or sheep, we have the capability of eating and liking many different foods. This is absolutely NO reason to take such drastic measures anyway.

Maybe you haven’t seen this.

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200995 umber desi Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:45:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200995 <p>The FED will most likely cut the rate by 25bps. Although there are indications from the ECB that it may follow BOE or the US FED if a major European bank reveals large losses. You are right wait and watch.</p> The FED will most likely cut the rate by 25bps. Although there are indications from the ECB that it may follow BOE or the US FED if a major European bank reveals large losses. You are right wait and watch.

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200992 umber desi Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:19:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200992 <p>It will be interesting to see what Soros' positions in USD and Euro are.</p> It will be interesting to see what Soros’ positions in USD and Euro are.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200987 RC Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:23:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200987 <p>Dipanjan, That Euro/Rice chart is amazing. Love it when the datapoints corroborate the theories. The problem is that ECB will not cut rates and the politically motivated US Fed will not stop from cutting rates and (making money free .. again) But on the other hand, George Soros recently made a statement in a high profile European eco. meet that the Euro cannot replace the US $ as the currency of choice for the world. That gives me hope that as soon as this trade in Euro (and OIL) is unwound the commodity trade will also be over and prices will stabilize. Waiting anxiously for the next move by US Fed.</p> Dipanjan, That Euro/Rice chart is amazing. Love it when the datapoints corroborate the theories. The problem is that ECB will not cut rates and the politically motivated US Fed will not stop from cutting rates and (making money free .. again) But on the other hand, George Soros recently made a statement in a high profile European eco. meet that the Euro cannot replace the US $ as the currency of choice for the world. That gives me hope that as soon as this trade in Euro (and OIL) is unwound the commodity trade will also be over and prices will stabilize. Waiting anxiously for the next move by US Fed.

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By: dipanjan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200986 dipanjan Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:12:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200986 <p><a href="http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JD22Dj01.html">Another interesting article</a> out of the Asia Times.</p> <blockquote>The global food crisis is a monetary phenomenon, an unintended consequence of America's attempt to inflate its way out of a market failure. There are long-term reasons for food prices to rise, but the unprecedented spike in grain prices during the past year stems from the weakness of the American dollar.</blockquote> <p>There is a 90% regression fit between rice price and Euro/US$ on 1-year <a href="http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/images/spengchart2.gif">chart</a>. Even tighter is the correlation between rice and the price of oil, another store of value against dollar depreciation. Spengler is a psudonym. Speculations on eco-blogosphere peg him for a Brit or Euro old Africa hand.</p> <p>On the local news front, Costco, Mountain View is now rationing. [<a href="http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994">link</a>] And on a more optimistic note, India may harvest record rice and wheat crop after adequate sunshine and rainfall boosted yields. [<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aKuLB8TWqrBo&refer=india">link</a>]</p> Another interesting article out of the Asia Times.

The global food crisis is a monetary phenomenon, an unintended consequence of America’s attempt to inflate its way out of a market failure. There are long-term reasons for food prices to rise, but the unprecedented spike in grain prices during the past year stems from the weakness of the American dollar.

There is a 90% regression fit between rice price and Euro/US$ on 1-year chart. Even tighter is the correlation between rice and the price of oil, another store of value against dollar depreciation. Spengler is a psudonym. Speculations on eco-blogosphere peg him for a Brit or Euro old Africa hand.

On the local news front, Costco, Mountain View is now rationing. [link] And on a more optimistic note, India may harvest record rice and wheat crop after adequate sunshine and rainfall boosted yields. [link]

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200896 Rahul Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:55:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200896 <p><i>22 · <b>roger23</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005143.html#comment200570">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>The Indian government has brought this upon itself BY banning rice futures trading.</blockquote> <p><i>3 · <b><a href="http://dipanjanc.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">dipanjan</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005143.html#comment200204">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Let them buy rice futures.</blockquote> <p>A <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/business/22commodity.html?ei=5124&en=1a0067cf86a8e1b3&ex=1366603200&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&pagewanted=all">very interesting article</a> claiming that an increasingly volatile market is making the time-honored futures mechanism unreliable, and increasing farmers' risk, and that this increased risk too will increase the price of grains.</p> 22 · roger23 said

The Indian government has brought this upon itself BY banning rice futures trading.

3 · dipanjan said

Let them buy rice futures.

A very interesting article claiming that an increasingly volatile market is making the time-honored futures mechanism unreliable, and increasing farmers’ risk, and that this increased risk too will increase the price of grains.

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By: roger23 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200783 roger23 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:22:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200783 <p>You are right about the change in food production, only if you believe that technology is not going to dramatically increase productivity. Food productivity per person/per acre is about 15 times higher in Israel, for example, right now than in India. If India can acquire that level of production in 15 years, and there is no good reason why this can't or won't happen, then obviously there is no problem. In addition, it is not 'slavery' to have to import food. As someone once said, there are two ways for the United States to make cars...build them in Detroit, or grow them in Iowa. There is no reason for one to be better than the other. If it is more inefficient for Indians to grow crops, then they will switch to manufacturing, or something else...while China and Europe utilize their relative advantage in food production. Only free trade will allow this. Free trade will notify farmers in India today, that they should be sending their kids to school, to learn math, science, english, whatever. Killing free trade is killing the messenger.</p> You are right about the change in food production, only if you believe that technology is not going to dramatically increase productivity. Food productivity per person/per acre is about 15 times higher in Israel, for example, right now than in India. If India can acquire that level of production in 15 years, and there is no good reason why this can’t or won’t happen, then obviously there is no problem. In addition, it is not ‘slavery’ to have to import food. As someone once said, there are two ways for the United States to make cars…build them in Detroit, or grow them in Iowa. There is no reason for one to be better than the other. If it is more inefficient for Indians to grow crops, then they will switch to manufacturing, or something else…while China and Europe utilize their relative advantage in food production. Only free trade will allow this. Free trade will notify farmers in India today, that they should be sending their kids to school, to learn math, science, english, whatever. Killing free trade is killing the messenger.

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By: roger23 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200781 roger23 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:15:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200781 <p>bytewords. You could not be more correct about the dubious moral ground of western democracies when it comes to preaching free trade. However I contend that ANY country that places ANY tariff or subsidy, either export or import hurts itself AND EVERY other country as well. The tariffs and subsidies of the United States are self-damaging. Democracies do contradictory things, that is their nature. Luckily the evident idiocy allows us to see the horrible result of government intervention. In China,etc. they are probably making worse mistakes, yet you won't know about it until 15 years later you hear of the deaths of 20 million.</p> <p>I am in support of absolutely true free trade. Where no government, either western or eastern, has the right to impose its jurisdiction over independent entities and people engaging with each-other with mutual consent.</p> bytewords. You could not be more correct about the dubious moral ground of western democracies when it comes to preaching free trade. However I contend that ANY country that places ANY tariff or subsidy, either export or import hurts itself AND EVERY other country as well. The tariffs and subsidies of the United States are self-damaging. Democracies do contradictory things, that is their nature. Luckily the evident idiocy allows us to see the horrible result of government intervention. In China,etc. they are probably making worse mistakes, yet you won’t know about it until 15 years later you hear of the deaths of 20 million.

I am in support of absolutely true free trade. Where no government, either western or eastern, has the right to impose its jurisdiction over independent entities and people engaging with each-other with mutual consent.

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/16/the_price_of_ri/comment-page-1/#comment-200586 bytewords Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:52:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5143#comment-200586 <p>and about allowing exports and "market" dictating prices---read a bit about tariffs that your liberal democracies of the west put up to make sure that never happens. europe and the US are a bigger contributor to world poverty than you may think.</p> and about allowing exports and “market” dictating prices—read a bit about tariffs that your liberal democracies of the west put up to make sure that never happens. europe and the US are a bigger contributor to world poverty than you may think.

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