Comments on: Parallels between Madia’s and Obama’s campaigns http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: No von Mises http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-202510 No von Mises Wed, 07 May 2008 08:52:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-202510 <blockquote>I just wanted to be the first to say it on SM.</blockquote> <p><em>cough</em> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004211.html#comment120630">second</a> <em>cough</em></p> <p>(it's buried in that comment)</p> I just wanted to be the first to say it on SM.

cough second cough

(it’s buried in that comment)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-202505 Manju Wed, 07 May 2008 07:08:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-202505 <p>well, its all over now baby blue states. I just wanted to be the first to say it on SM. Obama's got the Nom. The clinton legacy is forever transformed, as they ran the most racist and xenophobic campaign since george wallace...though some of us have always know this about them, not to mention the sexism.</p> <p>but a paradigm shift as occurred. short of OBL being captured and the american public realizing the economy has recovered (buffet says the worst is over and no one ever got rich going against buffet, but here is always at leat a 2 quarter lag between reality and perception when it comes to the economy) obama will be the next President.</p> <p>Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, RIP</p> well, its all over now baby blue states. I just wanted to be the first to say it on SM. Obama’s got the Nom. The clinton legacy is forever transformed, as they ran the most racist and xenophobic campaign since george wallace…though some of us have always know this about them, not to mention the sexism.

but a paradigm shift as occurred. short of OBL being captured and the american public realizing the economy has recovered (buffet says the worst is over and no one ever got rich going against buffet, but here is always at leat a 2 quarter lag between reality and perception when it comes to the economy) obama will be the next President.

Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, RIP

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By: Milind http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200544 Milind Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:21:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200544 <p>MD:</p> <blockquote>As for making some sort of Obama/Madia comparison - can you imagine the wonderfully bipartisan Obama having voting for McCain or the like in the past? There are significant differences between the two. The main being it's easier to convince people you are a moderate if don't have the farthest left voting record according to National Journal and actually once voted for one of the 'other guys'. And I would argue it's the differences that make Madia such a a formidable candidate for congress.</blockquote> <p>In the interest of fighting ignorance, the National Journal rankings are more or less crap. First, it's based on looking at a bill and deciding what the "conservative" or "liberal" position is. Then, Obama and Clinton get penalized because they're campaigning -- they thus miss all but the most important votes, and then of course they're going to vote party line. For a more even-handed ranking, I prefer <a href="http://voteview.com/sen109.htm">these rankings</a>, which are calculated in a purely objective manner. All the roll calls from the 109th Senate are examined, and a classification algorithm is applied to rank Senators. More details are available at the website, but suffice it to say, Obama is <i>not</i> the most liberal Senator. It's Russ Feingold, as you might expect. Obama is merely the 21st most liberal Senator.</p> MD:

As for making some sort of Obama/Madia comparison – can you imagine the wonderfully bipartisan Obama having voting for McCain or the like in the past? There are significant differences between the two. The main being it’s easier to convince people you are a moderate if don’t have the farthest left voting record according to National Journal and actually once voted for one of the ‘other guys’. And I would argue it’s the differences that make Madia such a a formidable candidate for congress.

In the interest of fighting ignorance, the National Journal rankings are more or less crap. First, it’s based on looking at a bill and deciding what the “conservative” or “liberal” position is. Then, Obama and Clinton get penalized because they’re campaigning — they thus miss all but the most important votes, and then of course they’re going to vote party line. For a more even-handed ranking, I prefer these rankings, which are calculated in a purely objective manner. All the roll calls from the 109th Senate are examined, and a classification algorithm is applied to rank Senators. More details are available at the website, but suffice it to say, Obama is not the most liberal Senator. It’s Russ Feingold, as you might expect. Obama is merely the 21st most liberal Senator.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200354 portmanteau Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:02:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200354 <p><i>34 · <b>Yo Dad</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005142.html#comment200262">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Now they will think I am a <b>DOM</b>.</blockquote> <p>Is that the term for a male dominatrix? Uncle, we encourage all lifestyle choices here, even the unorthodox ones.</p> 34 · Yo Dad said

Now they will think I am a DOM.

Is that the term for a male dominatrix? Uncle, we encourage all lifestyle choices here, even the unorthodox ones.

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By: Neil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200352 Neil Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:42:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200352 <p>"In terms of work she has done for the polis, work she's had to politic for in order to achieve a position or advance anything at all under the sanction of the polis, be it elected, appointed, legislative or administrative, other than an appointment (requiring no other confirmation) by her husband, Hillary Clinton has a term and a half in the senate - that's it."</p> <p>How about her efforts in pushing nationalized health care?</p> <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan</p> <p>I hardly think Laura Bush is-or ever was-anywhere near as involved in statecraft as Hillary. The latter was far more involved in her husband's political career, on top of her own experiences as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law. She was steeped in politics long before she married Bill. Heck, she was on the staff that advised the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate scandal. That was 1974-a year before she got engaged to Bill Clinton.</p> <p>Laura Bush is a...librarian. Surely you see the difference? =)</p> “In terms of work she has done for the polis, work she’s had to politic for in order to achieve a position or advance anything at all under the sanction of the polis, be it elected, appointed, legislative or administrative, other than an appointment (requiring no other confirmation) by her husband, Hillary Clinton has a term and a half in the senate – that’s it.”

How about her efforts in pushing nationalized health care?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan

I hardly think Laura Bush is-or ever was-anywhere near as involved in statecraft as Hillary. The latter was far more involved in her husband’s political career, on top of her own experiences as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law. She was steeped in politics long before she married Bill. Heck, she was on the staff that advised the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate scandal. That was 1974-a year before she got engaged to Bill Clinton.

Laura Bush is a…librarian. Surely you see the difference? =)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200309 Manju Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:22:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200309 <p><i>33 · <B>cc</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005142.html#comment200219">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Um... because Edwards was still a candidate at the time those comments were made?</blockquote> <p>well look, he had a choice of using edwards, gore, himself, or jesse. edwards makes the most sense since he won the primary but lost the nom, which was presumably bubbas point. gore also makes sense since he won the primary but lost the general, which also would've made a case for hillary. if he truly wanted to compliment obama, he would've used himself. jesse however, won a caucus, not s primary, and was a fringe candidate from the beginning. but i'm told he's black.</p> <p>look, i'll concede plausible denial is, well, plausible. bush I had a legit issue lurking in the willie horton ad, which of course he had nothing to do with. that's how these things work.</p> 33 · cc said

Um… because Edwards was still a candidate at the time those comments were made?

well look, he had a choice of using edwards, gore, himself, or jesse. edwards makes the most sense since he won the primary but lost the nom, which was presumably bubbas point. gore also makes sense since he won the primary but lost the general, which also would’ve made a case for hillary. if he truly wanted to compliment obama, he would’ve used himself. jesse however, won a caucus, not s primary, and was a fringe candidate from the beginning. but i’m told he’s black.

look, i’ll concede plausible denial is, well, plausible. bush I had a legit issue lurking in the willie horton ad, which of course he had nothing to do with. that’s how these things work.

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By: TwoPuttTommy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200267 TwoPuttTommy Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:45:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200267 <p><i>21 · <B><A href="http://hester23.blogspot.com" rel=nofollow>Rahul S</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005142.html#comment200113">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I think he's one of the few Democrats I'd vote for. He seems to be fiscally conservative, and has a sound plan for Iraq. But I don't live in Minnesota, so it doesn't matter. </blockquote> <p>Well, just because you can't vote, doesn't mean you can't donate! So, give and give until it hurts (or, you've reached the legal limit)!!!</p> <p>https://secure.actblue.com/page/ashwinmadiaforcongress</p> <p>I'm a veteran that lives in the same city Captain Madia's opponent does; I've had the unfortunate experience of watching this opponent, Erik Paulsen, since 1994.</p> <p>And if you liked George W. Bush, you'll LOVE Erik Paulsen.</p> <p>http://www.mnblue.com/node/1070</p> <p>If you support Captain Madia' candidacy, pass the word, and pass the ammo (cash).</p> <p>America needs patriots like Captain Madia.</p> 21 · Rahul S said

I think he’s one of the few Democrats I’d vote for. He seems to be fiscally conservative, and has a sound plan for Iraq. But I don’t live in Minnesota, so it doesn’t matter.

Well, just because you can’t vote, doesn’t mean you can’t donate! So, give and give until it hurts (or, you’ve reached the legal limit)!!!

https://secure.actblue.com/page/ashwinmadiaforcongress

I’m a veteran that lives in the same city Captain Madia’s opponent does; I’ve had the unfortunate experience of watching this opponent, Erik Paulsen, since 1994.

And if you liked George W. Bush, you’ll LOVE Erik Paulsen.

http://www.mnblue.com/node/1070

If you support Captain Madia’ candidacy, pass the word, and pass the ammo (cash).

America needs patriots like Captain Madia.

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By: Yo Dad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200262 Yo Dad Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:18:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200262 <p>Gruhasthu @ 30: You are right <u>this time</u>. I should have said South Asian rather than Gujarati. There are no secret - family clause - for SM site, and I don't expect or enjoy any special privileges here compared to anyone else. BTW thanks for revealing my age Abhi. Now they will think I am a DOM. Peace.</p> Gruhasthu @ 30: You are right this time. I should have said South Asian rather than Gujarati. There are no secret – family clause – for SM site, and I don’t expect or enjoy any special privileges here compared to anyone else. BTW thanks for revealing my age Abhi. Now they will think I am a DOM. Peace.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200219 cc Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:24:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200219 <p><i>29 · <B>Manju</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005142.html#comment200152">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><BLOCKQUOTE>As for the Jesse Jackson comment — it was accurate and was a on the face of it a compliment (esp. the line that Obama ran a good campaign). Given Jackson’s (unfortunately) high standing among the Democrats, it is not an insult.</BLOCKQUOTE> then why not compare him to john edwards? </blockquote> <p>Um... because Edwards was still a candidate at the time those comments were made?</p> <p>Seems obvious to me. <em>shrugs</em></p> 29 · Manju said

As for the Jesse Jackson comment — it was accurate and was a on the face of it a compliment (esp. the line that Obama ran a good campaign). Given Jackson’s (unfortunately) high standing among the Democrats, it is not an insult.
then why not compare him to john edwards?

Um… because Edwards was still a candidate at the time those comments were made?

Seems obvious to me. shrugs

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By: Gruhasthu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/15/parallels_betwe/comment-page-1/#comment-200180 Gruhasthu Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:35:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5142#comment-200180 <p><b>: No, it is not ok unless you are my 64 year old dad who left that quote.</b></p> <p>Ahh, the family clause. I knew that statement was an aberration. I am putting my south asian pagdi back on.</p> <p>BTW, block quotes function seems to be broken for IE6.0</p> : No, it is not ok unless you are my 64 year old dad who left that quote.

Ahh, the family clause. I knew that statement was an aberration. I am putting my south asian pagdi back on.

BTW, block quotes function seems to be broken for IE6.0

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