Comments on: I went to Pakistan with my roommate http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: madhu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-2/#comment-212618 madhu Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:22:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-212618 <p>Though I support BO for all sorts of reasons..I feel a little sceptical now that I know that of all his friends he choose a paki as a roommate. best freinds are paki/muslim, chooses to visit pakistan/muslim...Nothing wrong in any of these ..but just that BHO(H=hussein) seems more true than BO. This we could relate to a gulti/tamil/punjabi trying to find a gulti/tamil/punjabi roommate/friend on a college campus.</p> Though I support BO for all sorts of reasons..I feel a little sceptical now that I know that of all his friends he choose a paki as a roommate. best freinds are paki/muslim, chooses to visit pakistan/muslim…Nothing wrong in any of these ..but just that BHO(H=hussein) seems more true than BO. This we could relate to a gulti/tamil/punjabi trying to find a gulti/tamil/punjabi roommate/friend on a college campus.

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By: thoreaulylazy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-2/#comment-205399 thoreaulylazy Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:02:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-205399 <p>Obama did NOT visit Hyderabad, India. He visited Hyderabad, Sindh.</p> <p>Quoted from <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/McCain_vs_Obama_Whos_better_for_India/rssarticleshow/3110215.cms">timesofindia</a> (Jun-08-2008), "But his own staff, despite its considerable ethnic variety, misread his comments (at least geographically), and told the media that he had travelled to Karachi, Sind, and Hyderabad, India. In part, this misunderstanding arose because they knew of another Obama friend from India during his college days, Andhraite Vinai Thummalapally. However, it turned out despite his close friendship with Thummalapally, and his considerable knowledge of the subcontinent, he hadn't visited Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. It was Hyderabad, Sind, which he visited."</p> Obama did NOT visit Hyderabad, India. He visited Hyderabad, Sindh.

Quoted from timesofindia (Jun-08-2008), “But his own staff, despite its considerable ethnic variety, misread his comments (at least geographically), and told the media that he had travelled to Karachi, Sind, and Hyderabad, India. In part, this misunderstanding arose because they knew of another Obama friend from India during his college days, Andhraite Vinai Thummalapally. However, it turned out despite his close friendship with Thummalapally, and his considerable knowledge of the subcontinent, he hadn’t visited Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. It was Hyderabad, Sind, which he visited.”

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By: jillu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-2/#comment-199661 jillu Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:07:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199661 <p>He also knows from his time in Indonesia who Hanuman is....</p> He also knows from his time in Indonesia who Hanuman is….

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By: Rahul S http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199659 Rahul S Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:15:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199659 <p><i>49 · <b>Chevalier</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005133.html#comment199621">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>condescending 'we will rescue India from the USSR and China' blather (JFK)</blockquote> <p>Too bad JFK couldn't save India from the evil empires. While India was engaging in fabian socialism, India's growth was poor. When they promoted an economic liberalization plan in 91 under Singh, only did India's growth skyrocket.</p> <p>Well in terms of any of these president candidates, I'd say all of these would do great. Thanks to Bill, relations with India have been getting better every year (especially under this Bush). Congress passed the nuclear thing last year, which has things going in the right direction for India & the U.S. But obviously, these pres will have a tough time with the foreign policy going on right now (in other countries).</p> 49 · Chevalier said

condescending ‘we will rescue India from the USSR and China’ blather (JFK)

Too bad JFK couldn’t save India from the evil empires. While India was engaging in fabian socialism, India’s growth was poor. When they promoted an economic liberalization plan in 91 under Singh, only did India’s growth skyrocket.

Well in terms of any of these president candidates, I’d say all of these would do great. Thanks to Bill, relations with India have been getting better every year (especially under this Bush). Congress passed the nuclear thing last year, which has things going in the right direction for India & the U.S. But obviously, these pres will have a tough time with the foreign policy going on right now (in other countries).

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By: Chevalier http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199621 Chevalier Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:20:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199621 <p>Okay, this post didn't and doesn't look non-serious to me but I will take your word for the humor part of it.</p> <p>On Hillary's Clinton one deep - Huma Abedin is not the only desi connection. Both the Clintons are known Indo-philes. Amongst their biggest fund-raisers and closest friends have been the Chatwals (they even went to the Vikram Chatwal's OTT-but-kewl wedding), Neera Tanden (the Hillary Clinton campaign's policy director), Arvind Raghunathan of DB, Indira Nooyi (maybe - she and her husband have donated to both Democrats, but I don't know which has to which), Rajen Anand, and a lot, lot of others. And of course, one can simply not be a NY Senator without knowing (and being supported by) a good, good number of Indians/South-Asians.</p> <p>Which is why I need to roll my eyes in wonder when anyone, especially a brown blog, says Obama or any other American politician knows Indians/desis better than the Clintons do - such inferences run contrary to every factoid and news item of the last two decades. Which is why the D-Punjab memo was released in the first place, by the Obama campaign - they saw that as a clear, provable association of the Clintons.</p> <p>And the bigger worry is over at the Obama camp. Bill Richardson is notoriously anti-India ever since it was under his watch that the 'Buddha smiled again' in 1998, and he felt like a fool because the Indians tested a nuclear device despite intensive US satellite imagery and tracking. And these were the same US satellites which, if you stood in the street and read a newspaper, could read the headlines of your newspaper. It is a different story that apparently all it took to fool the US satellite was doing the on-ground preparation in the 12-hour period when the satellites were facing the other side :-). If I find some links I'll paste them here sometime.</p> <p>In those crazy times, ten years ago next month, when the whole world was baying for India's blood, it was Bill Clinton who stood up and advocated calmness and a relative respect for India's rights/security concerns and therefore negotiated down the intensity of the sanctions that were subsequently imposed. Whatever you p-o-v on whether India should've gone nuclear - and I've heard excellent arguments both ways by very rational people - the fact here is that the Clintons have been unprecedentedly genuine supporters of India. Bill's administration was the first US Administration ever since India's independence to spend time, money and diplomacy efforts, and make friendly overtures, to Indians and the Indian government, and move away from (a) the usual loud anti-India rhetoric (Nixon) and (b) condescending 'we will rescue India from the USSR and China' blather (JFK).</p> <p>And Obama, the Golden One, slipped in a cruel reference to outsourcing and totally ignored non-black, non-white race dynamics even in his famous overarching race speech (which was no less, apparently, than the Sermon on the Mount but was a copy of Bill's Million Man March speech in the 90's).</p> <p>If a politician has ever walked the walk and talked the talk on partnership with a nation, it is Bill and Hillary Clinton. It's silly to assume that just because Obama's dad was Kenyan, or that he spent a week in Pakistan a couple decades ago, that he'll be a better friend of Indians & Pakistanis.</p> <p>[I'm sorry that I cannot provide any arguments for their support to other South-Asian nations - I'm simply not well-informed enough about that. But I'm interested in reading anything that y'all might put up here].</p> Okay, this post didn’t and doesn’t look non-serious to me but I will take your word for the humor part of it.

On Hillary’s Clinton one deep – Huma Abedin is not the only desi connection. Both the Clintons are known Indo-philes. Amongst their biggest fund-raisers and closest friends have been the Chatwals (they even went to the Vikram Chatwal’s OTT-but-kewl wedding), Neera Tanden (the Hillary Clinton campaign’s policy director), Arvind Raghunathan of DB, Indira Nooyi (maybe – she and her husband have donated to both Democrats, but I don’t know which has to which), Rajen Anand, and a lot, lot of others. And of course, one can simply not be a NY Senator without knowing (and being supported by) a good, good number of Indians/South-Asians.

Which is why I need to roll my eyes in wonder when anyone, especially a brown blog, says Obama or any other American politician knows Indians/desis better than the Clintons do – such inferences run contrary to every factoid and news item of the last two decades. Which is why the D-Punjab memo was released in the first place, by the Obama campaign – they saw that as a clear, provable association of the Clintons.

And the bigger worry is over at the Obama camp. Bill Richardson is notoriously anti-India ever since it was under his watch that the ‘Buddha smiled again’ in 1998, and he felt like a fool because the Indians tested a nuclear device despite intensive US satellite imagery and tracking. And these were the same US satellites which, if you stood in the street and read a newspaper, could read the headlines of your newspaper. It is a different story that apparently all it took to fool the US satellite was doing the on-ground preparation in the 12-hour period when the satellites were facing the other side :-) . If I find some links I’ll paste them here sometime.

In those crazy times, ten years ago next month, when the whole world was baying for India’s blood, it was Bill Clinton who stood up and advocated calmness and a relative respect for India’s rights/security concerns and therefore negotiated down the intensity of the sanctions that were subsequently imposed. Whatever you p-o-v on whether India should’ve gone nuclear – and I’ve heard excellent arguments both ways by very rational people – the fact here is that the Clintons have been unprecedentedly genuine supporters of India. Bill’s administration was the first US Administration ever since India’s independence to spend time, money and diplomacy efforts, and make friendly overtures, to Indians and the Indian government, and move away from (a) the usual loud anti-India rhetoric (Nixon) and (b) condescending ‘we will rescue India from the USSR and China’ blather (JFK).

And Obama, the Golden One, slipped in a cruel reference to outsourcing and totally ignored non-black, non-white race dynamics even in his famous overarching race speech (which was no less, apparently, than the Sermon on the Mount but was a copy of Bill’s Million Man March speech in the 90′s).

If a politician has ever walked the walk and talked the talk on partnership with a nation, it is Bill and Hillary Clinton. It’s silly to assume that just because Obama’s dad was Kenyan, or that he spent a week in Pakistan a couple decades ago, that he’ll be a better friend of Indians & Pakistanis.

[I'm sorry that I cannot provide any arguments for their support to other South-Asian nations - I'm simply not well-informed enough about that. But I'm interested in reading anything that y'all might put up here].

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199601 Rahul Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:08:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199601 <blockquote>I guess this constitutes his true Manchurianism: stealth free-trade candidate.</blockquote> <p>Well, Dems are stealth free-traders and Republicans are stealth protectionists. - steel tariffs in W. Virginia weeks before a tight election, or all the conditions that Republican candidates put around disbursed aid, "sure, we'll help you with AIDS provided you buy overpriced condoms from a factory built in my district." <a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/11/are_the_democra.html">Any examination of the facts</a> makes it clear that all politicians jockey to impose barriers that help their constituents in the short term.</p> <blockquote>just like "pro-life" republicans never seem to get anything done...</blockquote> <p>Except pack the Supreme Court with friendly justices, slow roll the okaying of Plan B, strongly skew funding towards abstinence-only education, and so on.</p> I guess this constitutes his true Manchurianism: stealth free-trade candidate.

Well, Dems are stealth free-traders and Republicans are stealth protectionists. – steel tariffs in W. Virginia weeks before a tight election, or all the conditions that Republican candidates put around disbursed aid, “sure, we’ll help you with AIDS provided you buy overpriced condoms from a factory built in my district.” Any examination of the facts makes it clear that all politicians jockey to impose barriers that help their constituents in the short term.

just like “pro-life” republicans never seem to get anything done…

Except pack the Supreme Court with friendly justices, slow roll the okaying of Plan B, strongly skew funding towards abstinence-only education, and so on.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199598 Manju Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:24:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199598 <p><i>4 · <B><A href="http://www.vinod.com/blog" rel=nofollow>vinod</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005133.html#comment199295">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>you'd think w/ that many foreign friends, he'd be more open to the benefits of global free trade....</blockquote> <p>i suspect he's very open (as is Hill, even more obviously). I guess this constitutes his true Manchurianism: stealth free-trade candidate.</p> 4 · vinod said

you’d think w/ that many foreign friends, he’d be more open to the benefits of global free trade….

i suspect he’s very open (as is Hill, even more obviously). I guess this constitutes his true Manchurianism: stealth free-trade candidate.

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By: dilettante http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199596 dilettante Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:04:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199596 <blockquote>(On a more serious note, there was a good (and depressing) analysis of the white vote for BO which I read somewhere - ...found the phenomenon interesting in the light of the Putnam study.)</blockquote> <p>Who should be depressed, or suprised? what should such people do, <i>in the short term</i>, as 3 generations of "<a href="http://veracifier.vodpod.com/video/1079468-mccain-supporter-you-can-have-your-tiger-woods">breeding"</a> hasn't overcome it{{sarcasm}}</p> <blockquote>Obama is the next Carter or LBJ. Mr. Big Government. He's going to outspend Bush, and it'll be real bad.</blockquote> <p>Somehow I doubt he would have the neccssary flag waving enablers to acccomplish such a <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article3419840.ece">humongous task</a></p> (On a more serious note, there was a good (and depressing) analysis of the white vote for BO which I read somewhere – …found the phenomenon interesting in the light of the Putnam study.)

Who should be depressed, or suprised? what should such people do, in the short term, as 3 generations of “breeding” hasn’t overcome it{{sarcasm}}

Obama is the next Carter or LBJ. Mr. Big Government. He’s going to outspend Bush, and it’ll be real bad.

Somehow I doubt he would have the neccssary flag waving enablers to acccomplish such a humongous task

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By: Rahul S http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199593 Rahul S Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:25:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199593 <p><i>43 · <b>Rahul</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005133.html#comment199589">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Which is the only reason I'm holding my powder on Obama because he'd better win in November.</blockquote> <p>Obama is the next Carter or LBJ. Mr. Big Government. He's going to outspend Bush, and it'll be real bad.</p> 43 · Rahul said

Which is the only reason I’m holding my powder on Obama because he’d better win in November.

Obama is the next Carter or LBJ. Mr. Big Government. He’s going to outspend Bush, and it’ll be real bad.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/i_went_to_pakis/comment-page-1/#comment-199591 Manju Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:17:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5133#comment-199591 <blockquote>Which is the only reason I'm holding my powder on Obama </blockquote> <p>Ah Ha! Slyly bringing up his cocaine use, Rahul? Turd Blossom you are...or maybe Mark Penn.</p> Which is the only reason I’m holding my powder on Obama

Ah Ha! Slyly bringing up his cocaine use, Rahul? Turd Blossom you are…or maybe Mark Penn.

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