Comments on: Here’s to Closer Ties Between India and Africa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: uns http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-247276 uns Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:28:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-247276 <p>I'm fijian of indian descent and i definitely dont want india tied to fiji or help the indians in fiji. They exploit their own people so why should they help us and plus most of us have lost contact with india the only relationship we know is that our ancestors came from there. India should mind their own business and fiji their own</p> I’m fijian of indian descent and i definitely dont want india tied to fiji or help the indians in fiji. They exploit their own people so why should they help us and plus most of us have lost contact with india the only relationship we know is that our ancestors came from there. India should mind their own business and fiji their own

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By: N.Ram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-200289 N.Ram Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:50:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-200289 <p>A blog and content site www.oneindiaonline.com started Please participate</p> A blog and content site http://www.oneindiaonline.com started Please participate

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By: Al beruni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199755 Al beruni Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:21:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199755 <p>The troll Vyasa is always good for a joke - sadly he doesn't understand how much of a power-hungry stereotype of a communist party hack he sounds like - but its good that these people are getting exposed in public so that all people of the world can understand the aggressiveness of the chinese govt and the communist party.</p> <blockquote><b>This summit was clearly an attempt to compete with China in Africa, which is miles ahead in every way. The Africa-China summit of 2006 was far more impressive with leaders from over 40 african countries as opposed to representatives from 14 countries in the Indian imitation</b></blockquote> <p>What a shame the peoples army cannot yet go to delhi and mumbai and teach the indian savages a lesson.</p> <p>Competing with China !! How dare they ! What a joke these stinky indians are - its bad enough they eat these disgusting messes - now they think they can compete with the true masters of asia! Soon we will make them kow-tow or at least nuke a few of their cities....</p> The troll Vyasa is always good for a joke – sadly he doesn’t understand how much of a power-hungry stereotype of a communist party hack he sounds like – but its good that these people are getting exposed in public so that all people of the world can understand the aggressiveness of the chinese govt and the communist party.

This summit was clearly an attempt to compete with China in Africa, which is miles ahead in every way. The Africa-China summit of 2006 was far more impressive with leaders from over 40 african countries as opposed to representatives from 14 countries in the Indian imitation

What a shame the peoples army cannot yet go to delhi and mumbai and teach the indian savages a lesson.

Competing with China !! How dare they ! What a joke these stinky indians are – its bad enough they eat these disgusting messes – now they think they can compete with the true masters of asia! Soon we will make them kow-tow or at least nuke a few of their cities….

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By: Vyasa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199540 Vyasa Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:41:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199540 <blockquote>India is looking to play a far more prominent role in Africa’s economic development than China in coming years............Bilateral trade between India and Africa increased from less than US$ 1 billion in 1991 to over US$ 9 billion in 2005. Today, the Government of India is aiming to achieve a trade turnover of US$ 500 billion by 2010</blockquote> <p>Typical Indian bombast that is completely out of touch with reality. This is a fine example of "free speech" in India: a license to lie, exaggerate, boast outrageously. How completely moronic to claim that India-Africa trade can go from $ 9 billion to $ 500 billion in 5 years! Thats more than half of India's total GDP. Manipulating figures isnt going to make India "play a far more prominent role in Africa’s economic development than China" anytime soon.</p> <p>This summit was clearly an attempt to compete with China in Africa, which is miles ahead in every way. The Africa-China summit of 2006 was far more impressive with leaders from over 40 african countries as opposed to representatives from 14 countries in the Indian imitation. Africa-China trade today stands at around $ 73 billion. Thats close to double the India-China trade (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2706372.cms) which too is growing rapidly and which has now made China the largest trading partner of India, supplanting America.</p> India is looking to play a far more prominent role in Africa’s economic development than China in coming years…………Bilateral trade between India and Africa increased from less than US$ 1 billion in 1991 to over US$ 9 billion in 2005. Today, the Government of India is aiming to achieve a trade turnover of US$ 500 billion by 2010

Typical Indian bombast that is completely out of touch with reality. This is a fine example of “free speech” in India: a license to lie, exaggerate, boast outrageously. How completely moronic to claim that India-Africa trade can go from $ 9 billion to $ 500 billion in 5 years! Thats more than half of India’s total GDP. Manipulating figures isnt going to make India “play a far more prominent role in Africa’s economic development than China” anytime soon.

This summit was clearly an attempt to compete with China in Africa, which is miles ahead in every way. The Africa-China summit of 2006 was far more impressive with leaders from over 40 african countries as opposed to representatives from 14 countries in the Indian imitation. Africa-China trade today stands at around $ 73 billion. Thats close to double the India-China trade (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2706372.cms) which too is growing rapidly and which has now made China the largest trading partner of India, supplanting America.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199354 portmanteau Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:13:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199354 <blockquote>i'm not a scholar of south asian prostitutions; just was curious how two indian prostitutes were present at the death of a nigerian dictator.</blockquote> <p>what a curious story! thanks :)</p> <blockquote> for a site that's supposedly all about broadening understanding of the diaspora, why are there so many people who operate with such limited knowledge of these issues?</blockquote> <p>That doesn't really follow. Many of us might be ignorant, but at least we come with a desire to learn.</p> <blockquote>and if you still don't think we're Indians, then please can you pass laws in India to stop sending us your second rate exports.</blockquote> <p>I daresay that some Fijian-Indians love the exports that you mention. Their pleasure, your poison.</p> i’m not a scholar of south asian prostitutions; just was curious how two indian prostitutes were present at the death of a nigerian dictator.

what a curious story! thanks :)

for a site that’s supposedly all about broadening understanding of the diaspora, why are there so many people who operate with such limited knowledge of these issues?

That doesn’t really follow. Many of us might be ignorant, but at least we come with a desire to learn.

and if you still don’t think we’re Indians, then please can you pass laws in India to stop sending us your second rate exports.

I daresay that some Fijian-Indians love the exports that you mention. Their pleasure, your poison.

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By: Gruhasthu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199346 Gruhasthu Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:09:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199346 <p><i>32 · <B>Vyasa</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005131.html#comment199335">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Professor Praveen Jha, a United Nations adviser, said that in <b>eight of India’s 17 states</b>, poverty was increasing. “In malnutrition, India’s record is worse than most of sub-Saharan Africa,” he said. “My request to Indian officials is: please address things in your own country first.”</blockquote> <p>Whoever this professor dude is, he already lost my attention. India's 17 states? It's 28 states and 7 UTs, Mr. Professor.</p> 32 · Vyasa said

Professor Praveen Jha, a United Nations adviser, said that in eight of India’s 17 states, poverty was increasing. “In malnutrition, India’s record is worse than most of sub-Saharan Africa,” he said. “My request to Indian officials is: please address things in your own country first.”

Whoever this professor dude is, he already lost my attention. India’s 17 states? It’s 28 states and 7 UTs, Mr. Professor.

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By: Vyasa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199335 Vyasa Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:25:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199335 <p>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3257104.ece</p> <p>"India deprives own poor in bid to be aid donor"</p> <p>"A BRITISH plan to help India become a leading aid donor despite being home to a third of the world’s poor has been fiercely criticised by campaigners in both countries."</p> <p>"Last week British officials said that although India desperately needs aid to curb extreme poverty, it regards itself as a rising global power and wants to be seen as a donor rather than a recipient. Even though Britain gives more aid to India than any other country, it will in future be regarded as a “global partner” in poverty reduction, rather than a poor beneficiary of UK charity."</p> <p>"The plan has met with disbelief among the antipoverty campaigners in India, who say that the country should put its own house in order before taking on the problems of Africa.</p> <p>They said the scale of India’s poverty was so great that all available resources and talent should be focused on helping its own people first. “India should not be distracted with helping other countries meet their goals when it has so far to go to meet its own,” said Ashok Agarwal, a lawyer and child poverty campaigner.</p> <p>Professor Praveen Jha, a United Nations adviser, said that in eight of India’s 17 states, poverty was increasing. “In malnutrition, India’s record is worse than most of sub-Saharan Africa,” he said. “My request to Indian officials is: please address things in your own country first.”</p> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3257104.ece

“India deprives own poor in bid to be aid donor”

“A BRITISH plan to help India become a leading aid donor despite being home to a third of the world’s poor has been fiercely criticised by campaigners in both countries.”

“Last week British officials said that although India desperately needs aid to curb extreme poverty, it regards itself as a rising global power and wants to be seen as a donor rather than a recipient. Even though Britain gives more aid to India than any other country, it will in future be regarded as a “global partner” in poverty reduction, rather than a poor beneficiary of UK charity.”

“The plan has met with disbelief among the antipoverty campaigners in India, who say that the country should put its own house in order before taking on the problems of Africa.

They said the scale of India’s poverty was so great that all available resources and talent should be focused on helping its own people first. “India should not be distracted with helping other countries meet their goals when it has so far to go to meet its own,” said Ashok Agarwal, a lawyer and child poverty campaigner.

Professor Praveen Jha, a United Nations adviser, said that in eight of India’s 17 states, poverty was increasing. “In malnutrition, India’s record is worse than most of sub-Saharan Africa,” he said. “My request to Indian officials is: please address things in your own country first.”

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By: Krish**** http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199330 Krish**** Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:00:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199330 <p>Thanks for the Social Science 101 Refresher and History Channel factoid.</p> <p>I just think it's interesting that with all the ignorance put on display above, it's my 'confusion' that draws your comments.</p> <p>Getting back to this article, do you guys think that India's efforts to create closer ties with African countries is a waste of money?</p> <p>Then you'd probably agree with <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3257104.ece">this</a></p> Thanks for the Social Science 101 Refresher and History Channel factoid.

I just think it’s interesting that with all the ignorance put on display above, it’s my ‘confusion’ that draws your comments.

Getting back to this article, do you guys think that India’s efforts to create closer ties with African countries is a waste of money?

Then you’d probably agree with this

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199328 razib Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:07:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199328 <p>krish, you confuse <b>nation-states</b> with ethnicity. the united states forces defeated germany during world war ii commanded by a german american general. of course there will be cultural, historical and sentimental ties between south asian states and their diasporas, to mutual benefit (ergo, reaching out to "NRI"s). but india has bigger fish to fry in its regional geopolitics than intervening on behalf of a few tens of millions of people (who as it is are far wealthier than indians in india).</p> krish, you confuse nation-states with ethnicity. the united states forces defeated germany during world war ii commanded by a german american general. of course there will be cultural, historical and sentimental ties between south asian states and their diasporas, to mutual benefit (ergo, reaching out to “NRI”s). but india has bigger fish to fry in its regional geopolitics than intervening on behalf of a few tens of millions of people (who as it is are far wealthier than indians in india).

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By: Krish**** http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/heres_to_closer/comment-page-1/#comment-199327 Krish**** Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:44:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5131#comment-199327 <p>for a site that's supposedly all about broadening understanding of the diaspora, why are there so many people who operate with such limited knowledge of these issues?</p> <p>If India is to be the superpower that everyone on this board already thinks it is, then I hope you can all see why maintaining ties to people with a historical connection to India makes sense, for all sorts of reasons, including economic.</p> <p>and if you still don't think we're Indians, then please can you pass laws in India to stop sending us your second rate <a href="http://www.fijilive.com/gallery/view-details.php?photo_id=7145">exports</a>. Hmmm, I wonder... do they pay taxes in India on the money they earn in Fiji?</p> <p>I'm so tired of bringing up Mittal's example. Most people don't know that his first international acquisition was a de-nationalized steel mill in Trinidad... put him on the road to the top.</p> <p>Reality is, we need each other. And like it or not, India has a responsibility toward other developing countries, not just those with Indians in them.</p> <p>And if you're going to say, "great, who's going to pay for it"... then I have to wonder why you never ask the same for the money spent on the nuclear weapons program.</p> <p>In my book, developing closer ties to the diaspora will take India a great deal further than the increase in 'stature' that militarization brings.</p> for a site that’s supposedly all about broadening understanding of the diaspora, why are there so many people who operate with such limited knowledge of these issues?

If India is to be the superpower that everyone on this board already thinks it is, then I hope you can all see why maintaining ties to people with a historical connection to India makes sense, for all sorts of reasons, including economic.

and if you still don’t think we’re Indians, then please can you pass laws in India to stop sending us your second rate exports. Hmmm, I wonder… do they pay taxes in India on the money they earn in Fiji?

I’m so tired of bringing up Mittal’s example. Most people don’t know that his first international acquisition was a de-nationalized steel mill in Trinidad… put him on the road to the top.

Reality is, we need each other. And like it or not, India has a responsibility toward other developing countries, not just those with Indians in them.

And if you’re going to say, “great, who’s going to pay for it”… then I have to wonder why you never ask the same for the money spent on the nuclear weapons program.

In my book, developing closer ties to the diaspora will take India a great deal further than the increase in ‘stature’ that militarization brings.

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