Comments on: Don’t let your desi mom read this post http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Neisha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200374 Neisha Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:18:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200374 <p>Wow, 40-year-old ABD mom here, dismayed at all the hating on each other! I'm starting to fear for my 7-year-old ABD kid and his future dating life. Back in the day there were so few of us, we couldn't harsh all over each other. Folks, most of you will end up happily married, to someone, brown, white, or like my kid's best friend who is a mixture of Irish, Scottish, Jewish, Japanese and Mexican. In the meantime, enjoy your 20s and enough with the hate! (Hope that doesn't come off too mom-like.)</p> Wow, 40-year-old ABD mom here, dismayed at all the hating on each other! I’m starting to fear for my 7-year-old ABD kid and his future dating life. Back in the day there were so few of us, we couldn’t harsh all over each other. Folks, most of you will end up happily married, to someone, brown, white, or like my kid’s best friend who is a mixture of Irish, Scottish, Jewish, Japanese and Mexican. In the meantime, enjoy your 20s and enough with the hate! (Hope that doesn’t come off too mom-like.)

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By: non-sequitur http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200327 non-sequitur Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:52:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200327 <blockquote>I don't date straight white American men. My favorite ex was Polish (and white) but ...</blockquote> <p>Of course you dont 'straight' white american men, PG. Since 'straight' american men typically prefer women.<br /> Yes! My first PG swat.</p> I don’t date straight white American men. My favorite ex was Polish (and white) but …

Of course you dont ‘straight’ white american men, PG. Since ‘straight’ american men typically prefer women.
Yes! My first PG swat.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200324 HMF Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:37:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200324 <p><i>Yep, but then there is the definition of what 'knowing Indian culture & traditions' means</i></p> <p>Sure, he didnt necessarily expound on it, so take the most inclusive defintion you can think of.</p> <p><i>And would an Indian from India necessarily know more about those things just by grace of growing up there?</i></p> <p>Not necessarily, but I'd say generally yes. At the very least, they'd know the ethos of the Indian people much more deeply and personally, just as an Indian growing up in the US would be more aware of US racism for example, than someone growing up outside of the US.</p> <p><i>Perhaps that indeed foreign born desis take a more active interest in their ancestral culture since they don't take it for granted as much as DBD's would do.</i></p> <p>Some do and some don't, I don't consider Sitara or Basement Bhangra "active interest in their ancestral culture" as for taking it granted or not, it really comes from a place of having it be inaccessible or threatened. This might have been the case in America of the 60s and 70s, but now information and venues are pretty accessible.</p> Yep, but then there is the definition of what ‘knowing Indian culture & traditions’ means

Sure, he didnt necessarily expound on it, so take the most inclusive defintion you can think of.

And would an Indian from India necessarily know more about those things just by grace of growing up there?

Not necessarily, but I’d say generally yes. At the very least, they’d know the ethos of the Indian people much more deeply and personally, just as an Indian growing up in the US would be more aware of US racism for example, than someone growing up outside of the US.

Perhaps that indeed foreign born desis take a more active interest in their ancestral culture since they don’t take it for granted as much as DBD’s would do.

Some do and some don’t, I don’t consider Sitara or Basement Bhangra “active interest in their ancestral culture” as for taking it granted or not, it really comes from a place of having it be inaccessible or threatened. This might have been the case in America of the 60s and 70s, but now information and venues are pretty accessible.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200314 Meena Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:53:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200314 <p>HMF</p> <blockquote>No, not by virtue, it would take someone's direct interest and following to pursue them, rather than in India where less of an effort would need to be made (although I agree efforts would need to be made there also)... His statement couldve been worded better, but generally speaking someone removed from a culture/setting would be less likely to know that culture unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.</blockquote> <p>Yep, but then there is the definition of what 'knowing Indian culture & traditions' means. Does it mean, just having a good knowledge about Indian cultural diversity/history? Or does it also mean adhering to what some could consider outmoded notions of social duties? And would an Indian from India necessarily know more about those things just by grace of growing up there? I think not. Perhaps that indeed foreign born desis take a more active interest in their ancestral culture since they don't take it for granted as much as DBD's would do. And I'm sorry, but these chumps who come and post about how ABD/American girls are too high and mighty and they prefer South Asian or European girls - which seems like an insult to their intelligence - Euro girls(way to generalise btw!) are certainly no suckers - they don't sound like they seek the kind of girl with a thorough understanding of Indian culture and history!</p> HMF

No, not by virtue, it would take someone’s direct interest and following to pursue them, rather than in India where less of an effort would need to be made (although I agree efforts would need to be made there also)… His statement couldve been worded better, but generally speaking someone removed from a culture/setting would be less likely to know that culture unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.

Yep, but then there is the definition of what ‘knowing Indian culture & traditions’ means. Does it mean, just having a good knowledge about Indian cultural diversity/history? Or does it also mean adhering to what some could consider outmoded notions of social duties? And would an Indian from India necessarily know more about those things just by grace of growing up there? I think not. Perhaps that indeed foreign born desis take a more active interest in their ancestral culture since they don’t take it for granted as much as DBD’s would do. And I’m sorry, but these chumps who come and post about how ABD/American girls are too high and mighty and they prefer South Asian or European girls – which seems like an insult to their intelligence – Euro girls(way to generalise btw!) are certainly no suckers – they don’t sound like they seek the kind of girl with a thorough understanding of Indian culture and history!

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200311 HMF Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:45:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200311 <p><i>My last boyfriend was Chinese-American </i></p> <p>What style of Kung Fu does he do.</p> My last boyfriend was Chinese-American

What style of Kung Fu does he do.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200286 HMF Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:23:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200286 <p><i>a wholly different thing to reject the possibility that they might not at all have that tendency or trait.</i></p> <p>This is true. one should definitely allow for the possibilities of outliers.</p> a wholly different thing to reject the possibility that they might not at all have that tendency or trait.

This is true. one should definitely allow for the possibilities of outliers.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200278 ak Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:26:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200278 <blockquote>unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.</blockquote> <p>which is exactly my point of not pre-judging the individuals one may meet..</p> <p>it's just troublesome to me that some people can go so easily from two (or even 10) personal experiences to pre-judging individuals based on obvious markers. it's one thing to be prepared for the possibility than an individual of a particular group might have a particular tendency/trait - it's a wholly different thing to reject the possibility that they might <i>not</i> at all have that tendency or trait.</p> unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.

which is exactly my point of not pre-judging the individuals one may meet..

it’s just troublesome to me that some people can go so easily from two (or even 10) personal experiences to pre-judging individuals based on obvious markers. it’s one thing to be prepared for the possibility than an individual of a particular group might have a particular tendency/trait – it’s a wholly different thing to reject the possibility that they might not at all have that tendency or trait.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200276 HMF Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:00:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200276 <p><i>By saying that he prefers South Asian girls who 'know Indian culture/traditions' he implied that ABD girls don't 'know Indian culture/traditions',</i></p> <p>I re-read his statement, and I guess I understood it in a relative sense.</p> <p><i> dont know any ABD girls but I highly doubt that just by grace of growing up in the States they don't have any knowledge of 'Indian culture/traditions'</i></p> <p>No, not by virtue, it would take someone's direct interest and following to pursue them, rather than in India where less of an effort would need to be made (although I agree efforts would need to be made there also)...</p> <p>His statement couldve been worded better, but generally speaking someone removed from a culture/setting would be less likely to know that culture unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.</p> By saying that he prefers South Asian girls who ‘know Indian culture/traditions’ he implied that ABD girls don’t ‘know Indian culture/traditions’,

I re-read his statement, and I guess I understood it in a relative sense.

dont know any ABD girls but I highly doubt that just by grace of growing up in the States they don’t have any knowledge of ‘Indian culture/traditions’

No, not by virtue, it would take someone’s direct interest and following to pursue them, rather than in India where less of an effort would need to be made (although I agree efforts would need to be made there also)…

His statement couldve been worded better, but generally speaking someone removed from a culture/setting would be less likely to know that culture unless he/she made a strong effort to learn/pick it up.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200256 Meena Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:42:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200256 <p>By saying that he prefers South Asian girls who 'know Indian culture/traditions' he implied that ABD girls don't 'know Indian culture/traditions', and he claimed would prefer a girl who 'knows how to cook'. It's the context that's the problem - I dont know any ABD girls but I highly doubt that just by grace of growing up in the States they don't have any knowledge of 'Indian culture/traditions'. Since 'champ' leaves other foreign born desi women out of the equation there must be something specially wrong with desi American girls, which I find really hard to believe. What makes them less authentic than South Asian girls?</p> By saying that he prefers South Asian girls who ‘know Indian culture/traditions’ he implied that ABD girls don’t ‘know Indian culture/traditions’, and he claimed would prefer a girl who ‘knows how to cook’. It’s the context that’s the problem – I dont know any ABD girls but I highly doubt that just by grace of growing up in the States they don’t have any knowledge of ‘Indian culture/traditions’. Since ‘champ’ leaves other foreign born desi women out of the equation there must be something specially wrong with desi American girls, which I find really hard to believe. What makes them less authentic than South Asian girls?

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/10/dont_let_your_d/comment-page-6/#comment-200254 HMF Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:02:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5132#comment-200254 <p><i>know Indian culture/traditions</i></p> <p>Why does a simple statement of "knowing Indian culture/traditions" immediately translate to being a docile, barefoot, breeding machine that salivates at a GC? Most of my cousins and their female friends want to stay in India, because this allure of "America the great, the plentiful" is eroding, and true stories of America's racism and glass ceiling are making their way back. However, people living in country A are generally more likely to know about country A then those living outside it (and yes it applies to men as well)</p> know Indian culture/traditions

Why does a simple statement of “knowing Indian culture/traditions” immediately translate to being a docile, barefoot, breeding machine that salivates at a GC? Most of my cousins and their female friends want to stay in India, because this allure of “America the great, the plentiful” is eroding, and true stories of America’s racism and glass ceiling are making their way back. However, people living in country A are generally more likely to know about country A then those living outside it (and yes it applies to men as well)

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