Comments on: Art Without a Frame http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Scribble http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199497 Scribble Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:07:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199497 <p>Are so many "desi"s in America so thoroughly Ira-Glass vulgar? I am not surprised that a tabloid escapade of a slumming celebrity gets a Pulitzer--after all it involves legit music. Nothing more incontrovertibly respectable than baroque sounds out of an antique fiddle. (In place of "incontrovertibly respectable", one may substitute "transcendentally beautiful".) You have got to admire the writer here. I stopped reading right after getting kicked in the head with the phrase "snazzy, sequined idea", but I read enough of the interminable, redundant--hence deathless--prose to get its primary appeal: which is to inspire, in every genteel middle-class shitass's mind, the frightening question:</p> <p>WOULD I HAVE STOPPED?</p> <p>For the day you walk past such a stunt, my friend, is the day your shit begins to stink that a lifetime of odor control won't fix.</p> <p>Heaven forbid getting caught on camera ...</p> <p>We salute the genius who can think up such a hooky concept for the highly-educated middle class. But let's not forget the other appealing things about this fugly-ass pile of prose about "beauty". Length, for one. Nothing says serious like a painfully long piece, especially when strewn with gross thesaurus-words. Upwardly mobile Americans are like deer in its headlights--it never fails. Then there's all the proles not giving a shit, and that too at a public transit stop. This must make a class-anxious prestige-hungry member of the Ira Glass crowd giddy with joy. (And in place of "giddy with joy", one may substitute "gasp with dismay"--the buzz of superiority takes so many forms.)</p> <p>God, what's happening?</p> <p>It begins to seem that desis are merely immigrants, nothing but proles. Or why would their children show all the classic signs of the newly-middle class?</p> <p>Thanks to this post, I caught another gem, obviously from deep down in the "reflection, epiphany, and self-congratulatory conclusion" section of the piece:</p> <p><i>Let’s say Kant is right. Let’s accept that we can’t look at what happened on January 12 and make any judgment whatever about people’s sophistication or their ability to appreciate beauty.</i></p> <p>"Kant" ... "let's say we can't judge" ...</p> <p>This is a fucking masterpiece of vulgarity.</p> <p>Lata--look, we are talking here about prohibitively expensive all-European music, a clear class marker and completely disconnected from the massive mainstream of America (which, needless to say, is African in every gene). Lata was never anything like that. Only if you thought that there was a culture out there, somewhere in--where else!--Europe, where Bach was popular, unremarkable, regular diet, would you imagine comparing these two "foreign" sources of "musical beauty". Lata is beautiful, but Indians aren't white; it wouldn't enter our heads to talk about her voice as "universally" beautiful, "transcending" all cultural learning. We have our own messed up ways of unstinking our shit. But dissonant, hell no. For one, she has an untold number of songs plumb bang in the major scale, even pentatonic. Besides, I have seen how audiences of a thoroughgoing meat-and-potatoes "blues" mindset react to Indian scales--they shut up and listen. They feel like listening, without being forced into an expensive cramped seat and browbeaten into "reverence" by snooty symphony-center androids.</p> <p>Up next: people blindsided on camera with SPELLINGS. Will orthography transcend, and what has Kant said about it? Panicked NPR listeners vote in a Pulitzer.</p> Are so many “desi”s in America so thoroughly Ira-Glass vulgar? I am not surprised that a tabloid escapade of a slumming celebrity gets a Pulitzer–after all it involves legit music. Nothing more incontrovertibly respectable than baroque sounds out of an antique fiddle. (In place of “incontrovertibly respectable”, one may substitute “transcendentally beautiful”.) You have got to admire the writer here. I stopped reading right after getting kicked in the head with the phrase “snazzy, sequined idea”, but I read enough of the interminable, redundant–hence deathless–prose to get its primary appeal: which is to inspire, in every genteel middle-class shitass’s mind, the frightening question:

WOULD I HAVE STOPPED?

For the day you walk past such a stunt, my friend, is the day your shit begins to stink that a lifetime of odor control won’t fix.

Heaven forbid getting caught on camera …

We salute the genius who can think up such a hooky concept for the highly-educated middle class. But let’s not forget the other appealing things about this fugly-ass pile of prose about “beauty”. Length, for one. Nothing says serious like a painfully long piece, especially when strewn with gross thesaurus-words. Upwardly mobile Americans are like deer in its headlights–it never fails. Then there’s all the proles not giving a shit, and that too at a public transit stop. This must make a class-anxious prestige-hungry member of the Ira Glass crowd giddy with joy. (And in place of “giddy with joy”, one may substitute “gasp with dismay”–the buzz of superiority takes so many forms.)

God, what’s happening?

It begins to seem that desis are merely immigrants, nothing but proles. Or why would their children show all the classic signs of the newly-middle class?

Thanks to this post, I caught another gem, obviously from deep down in the “reflection, epiphany, and self-congratulatory conclusion” section of the piece:

Let’s say Kant is right. Let’s accept that we can’t look at what happened on January 12 and make any judgment whatever about people’s sophistication or their ability to appreciate beauty.

“Kant” … “let’s say we can’t judge” …

This is a fucking masterpiece of vulgarity.

Lata–look, we are talking here about prohibitively expensive all-European music, a clear class marker and completely disconnected from the massive mainstream of America (which, needless to say, is African in every gene). Lata was never anything like that. Only if you thought that there was a culture out there, somewhere in–where else!–Europe, where Bach was popular, unremarkable, regular diet, would you imagine comparing these two “foreign” sources of “musical beauty”. Lata is beautiful, but Indians aren’t white; it wouldn’t enter our heads to talk about her voice as “universally” beautiful, “transcending” all cultural learning. We have our own messed up ways of unstinking our shit. But dissonant, hell no. For one, she has an untold number of songs plumb bang in the major scale, even pentatonic. Besides, I have seen how audiences of a thoroughgoing meat-and-potatoes “blues” mindset react to Indian scales–they shut up and listen. They feel like listening, without being forced into an expensive cramped seat and browbeaten into “reverence” by snooty symphony-center androids.

Up next: people blindsided on camera with SPELLINGS. Will orthography transcend, and what has Kant said about it? Panicked NPR listeners vote in a Pulitzer.

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By: Suchi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199467 Suchi Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:21:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199467 <p>If you've read <i>Blink</i> by Malcolm Gladwell, you'll find that some of the questions raised in the article have been explored before and answered (to some extent). For example, Gladwell talks about split-second decisions and points out that an expert in a particular field will usually get it right. This is validated in this instance by the fact that most of those who spotted Bell were those with some exposure to classical music.</p> <p>Separately, I wonder if the experiment would've had a better outcome if he'd sung popular music. Or maybe that would've been too easy!</p> <p>I also wonder if the kid thing is a red herring, given that children are interested in and distracted by sooo many things!</p> <p>All this doesn't, of course, detract from the wonderful writing.</p> If you’ve read Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, you’ll find that some of the questions raised in the article have been explored before and answered (to some extent). For example, Gladwell talks about split-second decisions and points out that an expert in a particular field will usually get it right. This is validated in this instance by the fact that most of those who spotted Bell were those with some exposure to classical music.

Separately, I wonder if the experiment would’ve had a better outcome if he’d sung popular music. Or maybe that would’ve been too easy!

I also wonder if the kid thing is a red herring, given that children are interested in and distracted by sooo many things!

All this doesn’t, of course, detract from the wonderful writing.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199358 ak Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:28:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199358 <p>I don't think that I have ever read any other article - be it in a blog, newspaper, or magazine - that I just did not want to end. Thanks so very much, Abhi. And please don't call it a waste - these are the kinds of things that enrich our lives.</p> <blockquote>I can listen to Beethoven piano sonatas from over 100 years ago and still be moved to tears; not many other genres can claim that.</blockquote> <p>Different strokes for different folks, skp. Although my classical equivalent would be Dvorak, I could also say the same of a qawwali by NFAK. Others might choose different genres in the arts. I don't think it means that classical music is necessarily more worthy of our attention and encouragement than other dwindling arts or practises, as bess pointed out.</p> <p>And since you asked, I would have stopped. When I see artists on the street or subway, I feel it's a shame not to congratulate their talent. And as a small thank you for making my day just a little brighter. The other day I heard a lovely saxophone version of the Beatles' Yesterday, one of my favourite songs - I passed up three trains (and some money, of course) to stay and listen - completely worth it.</p> I don’t think that I have ever read any other article – be it in a blog, newspaper, or magazine – that I just did not want to end. Thanks so very much, Abhi. And please don’t call it a waste – these are the kinds of things that enrich our lives.

I can listen to Beethoven piano sonatas from over 100 years ago and still be moved to tears; not many other genres can claim that.

Different strokes for different folks, skp. Although my classical equivalent would be Dvorak, I could also say the same of a qawwali by NFAK. Others might choose different genres in the arts. I don’t think it means that classical music is necessarily more worthy of our attention and encouragement than other dwindling arts or practises, as bess pointed out.

And since you asked, I would have stopped. When I see artists on the street or subway, I feel it’s a shame not to congratulate their talent. And as a small thank you for making my day just a little brighter. The other day I heard a lovely saxophone version of the Beatles’ Yesterday, one of my favourite songs – I passed up three trains (and some money, of course) to stay and listen – completely worth it.

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By: Aadarshini http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199316 Aadarshini Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:23:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199316 <p>Even when I first read it, I wondered why Gene decided to have Bell play in the morning, when everyone is rushed, rather than the evening. I still think that's a great flaw in the article. People would be better able to make an independent decision based on their own preferences if they weren't rushing to a commitment, but were rushing to get home/make dinner/etc. Then you get to see if people would pick their own mundane routine over brilliance, rather than their job being the variable.</p> Even when I first read it, I wondered why Gene decided to have Bell play in the morning, when everyone is rushed, rather than the evening. I still think that’s a great flaw in the article. People would be better able to make an independent decision based on their own preferences if they weren’t rushing to a commitment, but were rushing to get home/make dinner/etc. Then you get to see if people would pick their own mundane routine over brilliance, rather than their job being the variable.

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By: sa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199306 sa Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:23:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199306 <p>great post, thx</p> great post, thx

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By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199237 bess Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:01:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199237 <blockquote>Ah, classical music is great, but this is the prison experience that will forever stay with me.</blockquote> <p>Yeow! I was going for transcendent not transvestite.</p> <blockquote>Seen it? Oh yeah.</blockquote> <p>Thanks, Abhi, for the throwback to the archives - that happened before I discovered your brilliance. And I must admit that when I first saw the photo I thought it was a post about some Aamir Khan epic. He'd get passed around too.</p> Ah, classical music is great, but this is the prison experience that will forever stay with me.

Yeow! I was going for transcendent not transvestite.

Seen it? Oh yeah.

Thanks, Abhi, for the throwback to the archives – that happened before I discovered your brilliance. And I must admit that when I first saw the photo I thought it was a post about some Aamir Khan epic. He’d get passed around too.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199199 Abhi Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:08:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199199 <p><i>27 · <b>bess</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005124.html#comment199119">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>One more thing: Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? There is a scene that is one of the most poignant,sublime moments in the film, it's when Tim Robbins character sets up the record player in the window overlooking the prison yard and plays the Letter Duet from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro. It somehow explains the music's significance and affect.</blockquote> <p>Seen it? <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/003002.html">Oh yeah</a>.</p> 27 · bess said

One more thing: Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? There is a scene that is one of the most poignant,sublime moments in the film, it’s when Tim Robbins character sets up the record player in the window overlooking the prison yard and plays the Letter Duet from Mozart’s Marriage of Figaro. It somehow explains the music’s significance and affect.

Seen it? Oh yeah.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199172 Rahul Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:23:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199172 <p><i>27 · <b>bess</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005124.html#comment199119">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>One more thing: Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? There is a scene that is one of the most poignant,sublime moments in the film, it's when Tim Robbins character sets up the record player in the window overlooking the prison yard and plays the <i>Letter Duet</i> from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro. It somehow explains the music's significance and affect. </blockquote> <p>Ah, classical music is great, but <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o">this</a> is the prison experience that will forever stay with me.</p> 27 · bess said

One more thing: Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? There is a scene that is one of the most poignant,sublime moments in the film, it’s when Tim Robbins character sets up the record player in the window overlooking the prison yard and plays the Letter Duet from Mozart’s Marriage of Figaro. It somehow explains the music’s significance and affect.

Ah, classical music is great, but this is the prison experience that will forever stay with me.

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By: DeLudendwarf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199152 DeLudendwarf Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:20:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199152 <p>Sorry. Won't attempt that again.</p> <p>Those who want to read it can get there, I think.</p> Sorry. Won’t attempt that again.

Those who want to read it can get there, I think.

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By: DeLudendwarf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/04/07/art_without_a_f/comment-page-1/#comment-199150 DeLudendwarf Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:15:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5124#comment-199150 <p>All:</p> <p>Here are Dave Barry thoughts:</p> <p>[http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/2008/04/gene-weingarten.html Link]</p> <p>Thought you might enjoy.</p> All:

Here are Dave Barry thoughts:

[http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/2008/04/gene-weingarten.html Link]

Thought you might enjoy.

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