Comments on: Pascagoula: Scene of a Mutiny (updated) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: pags http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-199186 pags Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:14:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-199186 <p><b>"they wouldn't have staged a damn revolt if the conditions were decent."</b></p> <p>Holy insurrection! We live less than 1/4 mile from this Signal International yard... Yet we totally missed this 'revolt' going on.</p> <p>Pretty strong word to use when you're talking about a relatively small group (out of more than 500) of guys who apparently have a complaint. Personally, we found it a bit irksome that these people were complaining about living 24 to a bunk house that had electricity, flooring, walls, and access to square meals at a time when most of the area's native population was living 5 to 10 people to a 20 foot FEMA trailer -- or, like us, living in a shell of a house that didn't have any of the aformentioned amenities.</p> <p>Signal's press release: http://wlox.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/SignalPressRelease.pdf</p> “they wouldn’t have staged a damn revolt if the conditions were decent.”

Holy insurrection! We live less than 1/4 mile from this Signal International yard… Yet we totally missed this ‘revolt’ going on.

Pretty strong word to use when you’re talking about a relatively small group (out of more than 500) of guys who apparently have a complaint. Personally, we found it a bit irksome that these people were complaining about living 24 to a bunk house that had electricity, flooring, walls, and access to square meals at a time when most of the area’s native population was living 5 to 10 people to a 20 foot FEMA trailer — or, like us, living in a shell of a house that didn’t have any of the aformentioned amenities.

Signal’s press release: http://wlox.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/SignalPressRelease.pdf

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By: Nidhin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196984 Nidhin Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:43:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196984 <p>Its a typical Indian manpower exploitation scenario .... from india to Dubai to Bahrain to Saudia arabia ..... and now it is happening in USA...</p> Its a typical Indian manpower exploitation scenario …. from india to Dubai to Bahrain to Saudia arabia ….. and now it is happening in USA…

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By: Margin Fades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196693 Margin Fades Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:19:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196693 <blockquote>I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED .</blockquote> <p>Truly? If so, time will tell.</p> <blockquote>I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?</blockquote> <p>Funny - Mr. Pickle said much the same thing about the pipe fitters and welders he was <s>employing</s> exploiting. The idea that just because one is not used a certain standard means they don't deserve a lot better doesn't hold water with me. Who gets to be the arbiter of that standard, the employer? And if so, why wouldn't - shouldn't - the employer offer what is competitive to the labor in the local market?</p> <p>Perhaps this is an opportunistic lawsuit, perhaps not. Ask yourself this, Mr. Reddy: is that $18 per hour competitive for Pascagoula, MS? Is that total compensation? What about per diems? Labor is in high demand in the Gulf Coast, and you should convince yourself that you're being paid a fair, competitive wage at the very least.</p> I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED .

Truly? If so, time will tell.

I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?

Funny – Mr. Pickle said much the same thing about the pipe fitters and welders he was employing exploiting. The idea that just because one is not used a certain standard means they don’t deserve a lot better doesn’t hold water with me. Who gets to be the arbiter of that standard, the employer? And if so, why wouldn’t – shouldn’t – the employer offer what is competitive to the labor in the local market?

Perhaps this is an opportunistic lawsuit, perhaps not. Ask yourself this, Mr. Reddy: is that $18 per hour competitive for Pascagoula, MS? Is that total compensation? What about per diems? Labor is in high demand in the Gulf Coast, and you should convince yourself that you’re being paid a fair, competitive wage at the very least.

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By: Jing http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196661 Jing Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:05:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196661 <p>The room in the photograph is a little cramped, but is well lit and air conditioned so I don't see what the fuss is about. Chances are the conditions at the employee dormitories were better than they lived in at India.</p> <p>From what I understand of the problem is that Signal was hiring specialized skilled labor for it's jobs on the cheap. Prest-O Change-O they outsourced. Unfortunately corruption on the Indian end of the outsourcing company led to two problems, a) many of the workers lied about their skills and were not qualified for the job b) the outsourcing agents lied claiming that these were permanent jobs leading to green cards in order to extract money from jobseekers. The claim about slave-like conditions by the protesters are essentially a way of avoiding get sent back to India.</p> <p>The simplest solution is for the Indian police to fine the recruiting agents and get back to "job-placement" fees and for the workers to go home. However for the protesters in question, this is a sub-optimal arrangement when in fact their primary goal is actually staying and living in the U.S.</p> The room in the photograph is a little cramped, but is well lit and air conditioned so I don’t see what the fuss is about. Chances are the conditions at the employee dormitories were better than they lived in at India.

From what I understand of the problem is that Signal was hiring specialized skilled labor for it’s jobs on the cheap. Prest-O Change-O they outsourced. Unfortunately corruption on the Indian end of the outsourcing company led to two problems, a) many of the workers lied about their skills and were not qualified for the job b) the outsourcing agents lied claiming that these were permanent jobs leading to green cards in order to extract money from jobseekers. The claim about slave-like conditions by the protesters are essentially a way of avoiding get sent back to India.

The simplest solution is for the Indian police to fine the recruiting agents and get back to “job-placement” fees and for the workers to go home. However for the protesters in question, this is a sub-optimal arrangement when in fact their primary goal is actually staying and living in the U.S.

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By: Radhika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196658 Radhika Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:31:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196658 <p><i>34 · <b><a href="mailto:rreddy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">ravi reddy</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005083.html#comment196608">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><b>I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED . I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?</b> </blockquote> <p>they wouldn't have staged a damn revolt if the conditions were decent.</p> <p>and this is awesome. i'm waiting for shit like this to go down in dubai and saudi.</p> 34 · ravi reddy said

I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED . I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?

they wouldn’t have staged a damn revolt if the conditions were decent.

and this is awesome. i’m waiting for shit like this to go down in dubai and saudi.

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By: ravi reddy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196608 ravi reddy Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:15:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196608 <p><b>I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED . I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?</b></p> I am a worker in signal internation, all this is done by the kerala worker WHO ARE NOT WORKING IN SIGNAL OR GOT FIRED . I am here to make some money for my family . In india i did not stay in taj mahal .I am like regular indian guy from bombay (mumbai) This guys are just problem maker.Empty vessels makes more sound .Right now there are 6 person in bunk and we are getting paid $18.00 hrs . the food is ok (goat ,chicken, shrimp. fish , vegetable roti) where do we eat every week this choices in india?

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By: ptr_vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196601 ptr_vivek Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196601 <p><i>31 · <b>umber desi</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005083.html#comment196593">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>You are correct Vivek, the key for me is that it has only been taken of in 2007 for people travelling for purposes other than work. As these workers were on H2B visas and if US had been on the list there could have been a better control. </blockquote> <p>That's a good point, but the standards for getting the Emigration Check Not Required (ECNR) stamp these days aren't that high (<a href="https://passport.gov.in/pms/EMIGRATION%20CHECK%20NOT%20REQUIRED%20STAMP.htm">linkamajig</a>). I bet a lot of these guys would have ECNR status by virtue of either their education or their time spent in other countries or both.</p> 31 · umber desi said

You are correct Vivek, the key for me is that it has only been taken of in 2007 for people travelling for purposes other than work. As these workers were on H2B visas and if US had been on the list there could have been a better control.

That’s a good point, but the standards for getting the Emigration Check Not Required (ECNR) stamp these days aren’t that high (linkamajig). I bet a lot of these guys would have ECNR status by virtue of either their education or their time spent in other countries or both.

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By: brwon_dbd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196596 brwon_dbd Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:31:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196596 <p>The news is now on the CNN front page http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/11/h2b.workers.suit.ap/index.html</p> The news is now on the CNN front page http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/11/h2b.workers.suit.ap/index.html

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196593 umber desi Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:27:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196593 <p>You are correct Vivek, the key for me is that it has only been taken of in 2007 for people travelling for purposes other than work. As these workers were on H2B visas and if US had been on the list there could have been a better control.</p> You are correct Vivek, the key for me is that it has only been taken of in 2007 for people travelling for purposes other than work. As these workers were on H2B visas and if US had been on the list there could have been a better control.

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By: ptr_vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/10/pascagoula_scen/comment-page-1/#comment-196592 ptr_vivek Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:22:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5083#comment-196592 <blockquote>As per the Emigration Act, 1983, Emigration Check Required (ECR) categories of Indian passport holders, require to obtain "Emigration Clearance" from the office of Protector of Emigrants (POE), Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs for going to following 18 countries. United Arab Emirates (UAE), The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Malaysia, Libya, Jordan, Yemen, Sudan, Brunei, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Syria, Lebanon, Thailand, Iraq (emigration banned). However , the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (Emigration Policy Division) have allowed ECR passport holders traveling abroad for purposes others than employment to leave the country on production of valid passport, valid visa and return ticket at the immigration counters at international airports in India w.e.f. 1st October 2007 [<a href="http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in/ECNR_ECR_POE.htm">linkigration</a>].</blockquote> As per the Emigration Act, 1983, Emigration Check Required (ECR) categories of Indian passport holders, require to obtain “Emigration Clearance” from the office of Protector of Emigrants (POE), Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs for going to following 18 countries. United Arab Emirates (UAE), The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Malaysia, Libya, Jordan, Yemen, Sudan, Brunei, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Syria, Lebanon, Thailand, Iraq (emigration banned). However , the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (Emigration Policy Division) have allowed ECR passport holders traveling abroad for purposes others than employment to leave the country on production of valid passport, valid visa and return ticket at the immigration counters at international airports in India w.e.f. 1st October 2007 [linkigration].]]>