Comments on: Poetry Friday: Mad About Elephants http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sandhya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196819 sandhya Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:20:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196819 <p>Thanks for sharing this poem, filmiholic, and for the details of the Mohan event. It breaks my heart to think of the breaking process ...</p> Thanks for sharing this poem, filmiholic, and for the details of the Mohan event. It breaks my heart to think of the breaking process …

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196815 Filmiholic Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:06:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196815 <p>One summer years ago, Jeremy Irons did a poetry reading at St. Bartholomew's on Park Avenue, and <a href="http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15346">this</a> was one of the poems he recited:</p> <p>The Elephant is Slow to Mate<br /> by D. H. Lawrence</p> <p>The elephant, the huge old beast, is slow to mate; he finds a female, they show no haste they wait</p> <p>for the sympathy in their vast shy hearts slowly, slowly to rouse as they loiter along the river-beds and drink and browse</p> <p>and dash in panic through the brake of forest with the herd, and sleep in massive silence, and wake together, without a word.</p> <p>So slowly the great hot elephant hearts grow full of desire, and the great beasts mate in secret at last, hiding their fire.</p> <p>Oldest they are and the wisest of beasts so they know at last how to wait for the loneliest of feasts for the full repast.</p> <p>They do not snatch, they do not tear; their massive blood moves as the moon-tides, near, more near till they touch in flood.</p> <p>On a separate note, the Palani Mohan event at the Asia Society this week was very interesting. The hardest images to watch and hear him talk about are the ones taken in Burma, of some men 'breaking' a young elephant. They enclose the elephant in a wood frame and torture him for 3 days until he gives up. The last photo from that series is the one of the elephant's eye and the solitary tear. One of the pictures on exhibit in the main entry hall is from the elephant orphanage at Pinnewala (SL).</p> One summer years ago, Jeremy Irons did a poetry reading at St. Bartholomew’s on Park Avenue, and this was one of the poems he recited:

The Elephant is Slow to Mate
by D. H. Lawrence

The elephant, the huge old beast, is slow to mate; he finds a female, they show no haste they wait

for the sympathy in their vast shy hearts slowly, slowly to rouse as they loiter along the river-beds and drink and browse

and dash in panic through the brake of forest with the herd, and sleep in massive silence, and wake together, without a word.

So slowly the great hot elephant hearts grow full of desire, and the great beasts mate in secret at last, hiding their fire.

Oldest they are and the wisest of beasts so they know at last how to wait for the loneliest of feasts for the full repast.

They do not snatch, they do not tear; their massive blood moves as the moon-tides, near, more near till they touch in flood.

On a separate note, the Palani Mohan event at the Asia Society this week was very interesting. The hardest images to watch and hear him talk about are the ones taken in Burma, of some men ‘breaking’ a young elephant. They enclose the elephant in a wood frame and torture him for 3 days until he gives up. The last photo from that series is the one of the elephant’s eye and the solitary tear. One of the pictures on exhibit in the main entry hall is from the elephant orphanage at Pinnewala (SL).

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By: Anamicah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196577 Anamicah Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:32:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196577 <p>Delurking to comment on my favorite topic...yanai...</p> <p>Glad to see another anabrandhanmar (have to agree with UberMetroMallu, it does mean people who are elephant crazy)...Welcome sandhya...I have a small but growing collection of elephan related paraphernelia. I have a loving family that brings me back elephant treasures from over the world. My prized posession is a pair of toe rings with elephants on them :)</p> <p>My favorite memory is of feeding the temple elephants in Madurai during summer visits to my grandparents...happy days before I realized the cruelty with which a lot of them are treated.</p> Delurking to comment on my favorite topic…yanai…

Glad to see another anabrandhanmar (have to agree with UberMetroMallu, it does mean people who are elephant crazy)…Welcome sandhya…I have a small but growing collection of elephan related paraphernelia. I have a loving family that brings me back elephant treasures from over the world. My prized posession is a pair of toe rings with elephants on them :)

My favorite memory is of feeding the temple elephants in Madurai during summer visits to my grandparents…happy days before I realized the cruelty with which a lot of them are treated.

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By: Yaanaimugan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196449 Yaanaimugan Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:33:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196449 <p><a href="http://www.jeffreymasson.com/animal-books/when-elephants-weep.html">When Elephants weep</a> is a good book on the emotions in aanaimals. <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEED7103CF936A25756C0A963958260">Here is a review</a>. That was what I was reminded of when I saw the 'big fat tears'.</p> <p>In sixth class when I was in boarding school close to the Annaimalai mountains of the western ghats and we were trekking there we had a 'father' elephant chase one of the guys in our group when they encountered the family of 3 around a bend across a huge rock. The guy ran like hell as the elephant chased after him, until he jumped off the heights on to a dry river bed.</p> <p><a href="http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-10-2003-44072.asp">Retirement beneifits</a> was in the news some time back, although I am not sure if this applies to all the temple elephants in India.</p> When Elephants weep is a good book on the emotions in aanaimals. Here is a review. That was what I was reminded of when I saw the ‘big fat tears’.

In sixth class when I was in boarding school close to the Annaimalai mountains of the western ghats and we were trekking there we had a ‘father’ elephant chase one of the guys in our group when they encountered the family of 3 around a bend across a huge rock. The guy ran like hell as the elephant chased after him, until he jumped off the heights on to a dry river bed.

Retirement beneifits was in the news some time back, although I am not sure if this applies to all the temple elephants in India.

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By: Demondoll http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196446 Demondoll Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:32:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196446 <p>Welcome Sandhya!</p> <p>I love the poem. The descriptive language used is very clever and "real". And yet the final stanza is fanciful and employs mythology. Very nice.</p> <p>I just love poetry. And you're right, we desis are more critical of desi writers, perhaps rightly, because for too many centuries we have been exoticized, and we are wary of that. We want to be seen as "normal," rather than exotic. Who wouldn't?</p> <p>And yet. And yet....our country is so unique that it is bloody hard to write about it sometimes without employing exotic metaphors.</p> Welcome Sandhya!

I love the poem. The descriptive language used is very clever and “real”. And yet the final stanza is fanciful and employs mythology. Very nice.

I just love poetry. And you’re right, we desis are more critical of desi writers, perhaps rightly, because for too many centuries we have been exoticized, and we are wary of that. We want to be seen as “normal,” rather than exotic. Who wouldn’t?

And yet. And yet….our country is so unique that it is bloody hard to write about it sometimes without employing exotic metaphors.

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By: ashvin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196436 ashvin Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:55:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196436 <p>This was a great post Sandhya and it generated some interesting comments.</p> <p>It reminded me of something I saw at the Getty museum in LA once. An illustrated Flemish manuscript from 1475 titled <a href="http://www.getty.edu/blog/oudry/default/2007/05/03/1178230440000.html">"The Land of India"</a>. It contains this <a href="http://www.getty.edu/oudry/default/images/elephant.jpg">drawing</a> of what the artist thinks an elephant looks like. It's clear he was working from other people's descriptions of the animal.</p> This was a great post Sandhya and it generated some interesting comments.

It reminded me of something I saw at the Getty museum in LA once. An illustrated Flemish manuscript from 1475 titled “The Land of India”. It contains this drawing of what the artist thinks an elephant looks like. It’s clear he was working from other people’s descriptions of the animal.

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By: sandhya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196416 sandhya Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:40:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196416 <p>I love how a simple object or creature has the ability to stir up stories and memories. GM and No Von Mises: Thanks for sharing your memories ... and shopping tips. I'm going to check out <a href="www.pearlrivermart.com">Pearl River Mart</a> this week to look for an elephant teapot. I like the idea of having one of them at my desk at work ... though maybe I'll use it to store pens rather than drink now that you've scared me about the lead! Munshi - I wouldn't even have known that there's a separate word for elephant craze and one for people who are mad about elephants ... neat.</p> I love how a simple object or creature has the ability to stir up stories and memories. GM and No Von Mises: Thanks for sharing your memories … and shopping tips. I’m going to check out Pearl River Mart this week to look for an elephant teapot. I like the idea of having one of them at my desk at work … though maybe I’ll use it to store pens rather than drink now that you’ve scared me about the lead! Munshi – I wouldn’t even have known that there’s a separate word for elephant craze and one for people who are mad about elephants … neat.

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By: Bridget Jones http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196401 Bridget Jones Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:15:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196401 <blockquote>His book is the culmination of six years of travel to create an “intimate glimpse into the world of the Asian elephant, a creature which – even as its African cousin flourishes – is threatened as never before.</blockquote> <p>Mohan would be saddened to know the South Africa has decided to start <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/feb/26/environment?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront">culling the booming African elephants</a>.</p> His book is the culmination of six years of travel to create an “intimate glimpse into the world of the Asian elephant, a creature which – even as its African cousin flourishes – is threatened as never before.

Mohan would be saddened to know the South Africa has decided to start culling the booming African elephants.

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By: No von Mises http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196400 No von Mises Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:50:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196400 <blockquote>If you are a collector of anything shaped like an elephant, the boutique stores in Chinatown (in SFO)</blockquote> <p>They also have an elephant fundoshi. Or, maybe it's a fundoshi made for an elephant. Either way, it fits me!</p> <p>So long as we're on elephants, one of my favorite quips when my big boss comes around, who used to be an options trader, is to remind him that options traders eat like chickens but go to the bathroom like elephants. Snort.</p> <p>Anyhow, glad you're here Sandhya!</p> If you are a collector of anything shaped like an elephant, the boutique stores in Chinatown (in SFO)

They also have an elephant fundoshi. Or, maybe it’s a fundoshi made for an elephant. Either way, it fits me!

So long as we’re on elephants, one of my favorite quips when my big boss comes around, who used to be an options trader, is to remind him that options traders eat like chickens but go to the bathroom like elephants. Snort.

Anyhow, glad you’re here Sandhya!

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By: UberMetroMallu the Pseudo Munshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/03/07/poetry_friday_m/comment-page-1/#comment-196399 UberMetroMallu the Pseudo Munshi Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:27:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5075#comment-196399 <p>Obviously, the man with blue sandals misinformed my Kabayan. In my nit-picky opinion, aanabrandhanmar means "people who are mad about Elephants." Aanabrandhu means "Elephant craze." Nothing wrong with the poem though; it's real, and nice. The title should stay. That song brings back memories of watching Jumbo Circus back in the day; the compere would always go, "neksht item is aathi mera jaathi." Nice one, Sandhya.</p> Obviously, the man with blue sandals misinformed my Kabayan. In my nit-picky opinion, aanabrandhanmar means “people who are mad about Elephants.” Aanabrandhu means “Elephant craze.” Nothing wrong with the poem though; it’s real, and nice. The title should stay. That song brings back memories of watching Jumbo Circus back in the day; the compere would always go, “neksht item is aathi mera jaathi.” Nice one, Sandhya.

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