Comments on: Hotness, thy Name is Thara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-288442 Dee Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:11:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-288442 <p>The scoop on Irish in the Caribbean... the Irish were sent there as plantation owners... blacks were brought as slaves, indians were brought as 'indentured labourers'. A lot of Caribbean accents are influenced by the Irish accent :D</p> The scoop on Irish in the Caribbean… the Irish were sent there as plantation owners… blacks were brought as slaves, indians were brought as ‘indentured labourers’. A lot of Caribbean accents are influenced by the Irish accent :D

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By: cfung http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195681 cfung Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:53:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195681 <p>Another reason there are relatively large numbers of Irish in the Caribbean is that white indentured servants were drawn from the poor and marginalized in 17th century British society. Large numbers of Irish (with or without separatist tendencies) were sentenced to indentured servitude in the West Indies by British courts for a variety of "crimes" ranging from rebellion to "looking at me in a funny way". The end of white indentured servitude for lack of warm bodies and the increased racialization of menial labor as being "only" a black/brown thing occurred between 1670 and 1700. The continuation of the trans-atlantic slave trade until 1807 meant that more African people ended up in the West Indies and hence these folks formed the majority of people in the Caribbean. Desi and Chinese migration as indentured labor in the 19th centuries was never as numerous as the slave trade (with the partial exception of Cuba during the 1880s).</p> Another reason there are relatively large numbers of Irish in the Caribbean is that white indentured servants were drawn from the poor and marginalized in 17th century British society. Large numbers of Irish (with or without separatist tendencies) were sentenced to indentured servitude in the West Indies by British courts for a variety of “crimes” ranging from rebellion to “looking at me in a funny way”. The end of white indentured servitude for lack of warm bodies and the increased racialization of menial labor as being “only” a black/brown thing occurred between 1670 and 1700. The continuation of the trans-atlantic slave trade until 1807 meant that more African people ended up in the West Indies and hence these folks formed the majority of people in the Caribbean. Desi and Chinese migration as indentured labor in the 19th centuries was never as numerous as the slave trade (with the partial exception of Cuba during the 1880s).

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By: AnjaliToo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195671 AnjaliToo Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:04:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195671 <p><i>44 · <b>Irish Creme</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005059.html#comment195558">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>You're right, being mixed is not unusual for the Caribbean, but I've never seen a cocktail like Thara. :) </blockquote> Many of the Caribs I meet are exactly that cocktail; Afro-Indo-Iro. What's the scoop on the Irish presence in Carribbean history? </blockquote> <p>Pretty much the same as how Indians wound up in the Caribbean ( well Jamaica as far as I know), they just had more opportunities abroad than they did in Ireland and offered the chance they emmigrated, then mixed in with the indeginous population (for the most part). There are quite a few cocktails like Thara, just visit Kingston in Jamaica, you'll find them walking/driving around (uptown mostly), the reason being, I think I may have said before, Jamaica being a class stratified society, the peopple that have money don't have to emmigrate, and most of those people tend to be Indians, Whites, Chinese, the few well off blacks and the various mixes of all those. That's why most of the Jamaican's you see abroad tend to be black.</p> 44 · Irish Creme said

You’re right, being mixed is not unusual for the Caribbean, but I’ve never seen a cocktail like Thara. :)
Many of the Caribs I meet are exactly that cocktail; Afro-Indo-Iro. What’s the scoop on the Irish presence in Carribbean history?

Pretty much the same as how Indians wound up in the Caribbean ( well Jamaica as far as I know), they just had more opportunities abroad than they did in Ireland and offered the chance they emmigrated, then mixed in with the indeginous population (for the most part). There are quite a few cocktails like Thara, just visit Kingston in Jamaica, you’ll find them walking/driving around (uptown mostly), the reason being, I think I may have said before, Jamaica being a class stratified society, the peopple that have money don’t have to emmigrate, and most of those people tend to be Indians, Whites, Chinese, the few well off blacks and the various mixes of all those. That’s why most of the Jamaican’s you see abroad tend to be black.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195668 A N N A Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:07:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195668 <p><i>46 · <b>baingandabhartha</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005059.html#comment195665">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I cant help laughing hysterically imagining a Punjabi trying to get a kundi connection in Kerala. Yes, I am easily amused.</blockquote> <p>I'm laughing too, because I am also easily amused. :) I love the chunni info, btw. ;)</p> 46 · baingandabhartha said

I cant help laughing hysterically imagining a Punjabi trying to get a kundi connection in Kerala. Yes, I am easily amused.

I’m laughing too, because I am also easily amused. :) I love the chunni info, btw. ;)

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By: baingandabhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195665 baingandabhartha Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:17:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195665 <p>Ahhhhh! Kundi knowledge finally! Thank you all for that. Just so you know-kundi- in punjabi means a hook-as in kundi-connection-used extensively in rural punjab to steal power from the govt. People throw their kundis over the wires and hook the cable upto their homes/water pumps etc. I cant help laughing hysterically imagining a Punjabi trying to get a kundi connection in Kerala. Yes, I am easily amused.</p> <p>I have a sister in law who is Fijian-Indian. The word chunni is used extensively in our family (chunni in punjabi is the same as dupatta-worn with a Punjabi suit-for those who might not know). The word chunni as used by Fijians is slang for the vagina. The first time the two families met for a wedding ceremony, the word chunni caused some consternation and later, much hilarity.</p> Ahhhhh! Kundi knowledge finally! Thank you all for that. Just so you know-kundi- in punjabi means a hook-as in kundi-connection-used extensively in rural punjab to steal power from the govt. People throw their kundis over the wires and hook the cable upto their homes/water pumps etc. I cant help laughing hysterically imagining a Punjabi trying to get a kundi connection in Kerala. Yes, I am easily amused.

I have a sister in law who is Fijian-Indian. The word chunni is used extensively in our family (chunni in punjabi is the same as dupatta-worn with a Punjabi suit-for those who might not know). The word chunni as used by Fijians is slang for the vagina. The first time the two families met for a wedding ceremony, the word chunni caused some consternation and later, much hilarity.

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By: SSK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195559 SSK Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:16:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195559 <p><i>38 · <b><a href="mailto:anna@sepiamutiny.com" rel="nofollow">A N N A</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005059.html#comment195530">said</a></i></p> <blockquote> I have an ass, but I try not to be one. ;)</blockquote> <p>The sum is greater than the parts, eh?</p> 38 · A N N A said

I have an ass, but I try not to be one. ;)

The sum is greater than the parts, eh?

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By: Irish Creme http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195558 Irish Creme Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:15:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195558 <blockquote>You're right, being mixed is not unusual for the Caribbean, but I've never seen a cocktail like Thara. :) </blockquote> <p>Many of the Caribs I meet are exactly that cocktail; Afro-Indo-Iro.</p> <p>What's the scoop on the Irish presence in Carribbean history?</p> You’re right, being mixed is not unusual for the Caribbean, but I’ve never seen a cocktail like Thara. :)

Many of the Caribs I meet are exactly that cocktail; Afro-Indo-Iro.

What’s the scoop on the Irish presence in Carribbean history?

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195545 gm Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:57:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195545 <p>In my last post I meant to say my father and his relatives are typical Andhras in habits and culture, and language and not the physical looks.</p> In my last post I meant to say my father and his relatives are typical Andhras in habits and culture, and language and not the physical looks.

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195544 gm Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:41:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195544 <p>(in response to #41) Not only does my father have the pale tone green eyes and light skin, his sisters have them too. Neither of his parents or his brothers have green or light colored eyes. He (and his sisters, my paternal aunts) have to be careful in the sun since they are prone to sunburns. These are pakka Telugu folks from the heart of Andhra Pradesh.</p> (in response to #41) Not only does my father have the pale tone green eyes and light skin, his sisters have them too. Neither of his parents or his brothers have green or light colored eyes. He (and his sisters, my paternal aunts) have to be careful in the sun since they are prone to sunburns. These are pakka Telugu folks from the heart of Andhra Pradesh.

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By: DTK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/27/hotness_thy_nam/comment-page-1/#comment-195541 DTK Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:53:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5059#comment-195541 <blockquote>For instance my Andhra father has light green eyes and pale skin</blockquote> <p>Really? Interesting. I thought I was one of the few Andhras with those characteristics. I certainly get my share of incredulous looks from people when I say I am desi (let alone from Andhra).</p> For instance my Andhra father has light green eyes and pale skin

Really? Interesting. I thought I was one of the few Andhras with those characteristics. I certainly get my share of incredulous looks from people when I say I am desi (let alone from Andhra).

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