Comments on: Death by Gulab Jamun, eh? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 1Commenter http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195556 1Commenter Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:46:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195556 <p>It's certain that this person is unstable. Phrase like "I'll kill you" is not common in educated Indian Community. The history is bad too, tried to use unfair means to get job in school she volunteers and complaint to the authorities about people she works with. Does not want to do any work as “I am more educated”, no wonder why not able to get the job. This can be her political gimmick too to come in lime light. Why would a well-educated and politically active women not understand that her statement was taken literally? She blames it on her naiveté, but this is not naiveté; it is simple stupidity. Let's not place the blame on cultural insensitivity, but focus on the fact that this educated woman lacked common sense. And trying to play smart to get politically active.</p> It’s certain that this person is unstable. Phrase like “I’ll kill you” is not common in educated Indian Community. The history is bad too, tried to use unfair means to get job in school she volunteers and complaint to the authorities about people she works with. Does not want to do any work as “I am more educated”, no wonder why not able to get the job. This can be her political gimmick too to come in lime light. Why would a well-educated and politically active women not understand that her statement was taken literally? She blames it on her naiveté, but this is not naiveté; it is simple stupidity. Let’s not place the blame on cultural insensitivity, but focus on the fact that this educated woman lacked common sense. And trying to play smart to get politically active.

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By: vishal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195461 vishal Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:11:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195461 <blockquote>though both have PhDs attained in India – hers in botany and his in <b>entomology</b>. So Baljinder opened a butcher shop</blockquote> <p>What, he sells cut up ants & grasshoppers ?</p> though both have PhDs attained in India – hers in botany and his in entomology. So Baljinder opened a butcher shop

What, he sells cut up ants & grasshoppers ?

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195401 portmanteau Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:34:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195401 <p><i>79 · <b><a href="mailto:rpharricharan@yahoo.com">Rajesh Harricharan</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005056.html#comment195322">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>a by-product of "liberalisim" which in it self is a form of mental illness.</blockquote> <p>Exactly. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes">Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos</a>. Damn those corrupt <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_liberals_have_many_tails-and_chase_them/179100.html">sodomite</a> and <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/a_liberal_is_a_conservative_whose_conscience_is/183148.html">exhibitionist</a> liberal freaks.</p> 79 · Rajesh Harricharan said

a by-product of “liberalisim” which in it self is a form of mental illness.

Exactly. Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos. Damn those corrupt sodomite and exhibitionist liberal freaks.

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By: DDD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195397 DDD Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:15:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195397 <p>she does sound a bit off. that said, the stressors of migration, assimilation, and downward mobility could have had a hand in that. sad, but hopefully she gets the help she needs.</p> she does sound a bit off. that said, the stressors of migration, assimilation, and downward mobility could have had a hand in that. sad, but hopefully she gets the help she needs.

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195389 gm Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:39:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195389 <p><i>87 · <b>khoofia</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005056.html#comment195373">said</a></i></p> <blockquote> IMO, a PhD is awarded to a person for having demonstrated the critical thinking to solve a specific problem in one's field of study. it trains a person to examine an issue in multiple ways to come up with the optimal solution. while it can help, it need not be linked to a profession. </blockquote> <p>Good point, Khoofia.</p> <p>But how many people actually work in careers that have anything to do with what they studied or based on their university/college or a PhD/ Masters thesis? (the exceptions to that I have noticed include physicians, nurses, accountants, etc) I don't have any statistics on hand, but most of my relatives and friends w/PhD's go into completely fields that are completely different (from their studies) after graduating. Of course getting a PhD is very difficult and prestigious in my opinion. One PhD friend of ours beg to differ and called it a "poor hungry dog" degree. If that is the case, is an MD a "money dog"?</p> 87 · khoofia said

IMO, a PhD is awarded to a person for having demonstrated the critical thinking to solve a specific problem in one’s field of study. it trains a person to examine an issue in multiple ways to come up with the optimal solution. while it can help, it need not be linked to a profession.

Good point, Khoofia.

But how many people actually work in careers that have anything to do with what they studied or based on their university/college or a PhD/ Masters thesis? (the exceptions to that I have noticed include physicians, nurses, accountants, etc) I don’t have any statistics on hand, but most of my relatives and friends w/PhD’s go into completely fields that are completely different (from their studies) after graduating. Of course getting a PhD is very difficult and prestigious in my opinion. One PhD friend of ours beg to differ and called it a “poor hungry dog” degree. If that is the case, is an MD a “money dog”?

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195378 melbourne desi Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:26:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195378 <blockquote>there is an element of racism - it is not overt - but a matter of perception. people make judgements based on perception and then play with facts to justify their decisions.</blockquote> <p>Quite similar in Australia. Sometimes, I wonder if Oz & Canada are twins separated at birth. Same mother - Britain.</p> <blockquote>f a person wnts to build a life as a tradesperson, he/she can enjoy a very good quality of life.</blockquote> <p>many tradies in Oz make well over 100K a year.</p> there is an element of racism – it is not overt – but a matter of perception. people make judgements based on perception and then play with facts to justify their decisions.

Quite similar in Australia. Sometimes, I wonder if Oz & Canada are twins separated at birth. Same mother – Britain.

f a person wnts to build a life as a tradesperson, he/she can enjoy a very good quality of life.

many tradies in Oz make well over 100K a year.

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By: khoofia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195373 khoofia Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:33:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195373 <blockquote>She has a husband who is a PhD and working as a butcher, she herself apparently is a PhD, I am sure had they stayed on in India they'd be doing far better than what they are doing in Canada working as Butcher and Security Guard, what is this fascination of supposedly educated Indians to migrate to foreign countries where you dont seem to qualify even for a Basic clerical job??????? Guess she had it comming CHAMCHAGIRI doesn't work all over the world..........</blockquote> <p>integrating new canadians into the workplace into roles consistent with their education is definitely a challenge. there is an element of racism - it is not overt - but a matter of perception. people make judgements based on perception and then play with facts to justify their decisions. so, when india/africa are generally regarded as cesspools of disease and poverty, it is hard to believe for a 9-to-5'er to believe that someone from those regions could be a skilled marketing professional or a manager or similar white collared professional. the barriers placed to getting a medical professional from these countries certified to practice in canada also reflect the same perceptions.</p> <p>That said, there's a basic disconnect here in your personal beliefs and life in Canada.</p> <p>A butcher is a skilled tradesperson. Though I am not sure how well trained the husband was in this area, it is definitely not a 'basic job'. it takes a fair bit of skill to slaughter an animal, to drain the blood and clean its entrails so as to not pollute the meat with faecal spillage. it is not an easy life, as with any tradeperson, but in canada you can enjoy a good life as a butcher.</p> <p>to take this further, if a person wnts to build a life as a tradesperson, he/she can enjoy a very good quality of life. it is not a comedown to become a butcher or a plumber or a cook or a carpenter. IMO, a PhD is awarded to a person for having demonstrated the critical thinking to solve a specific problem in one's field of study. it trains a person to examine an issue in multiple ways to come up with the optimal solution. while it can help, it need not be linked to a profession. I am suggesting that if baljinder and neelam didnt get a job directly aligned with their field of interest - it is not a come down for them to work as a tradespersons. in fact, that would be superior to working as a 'basic clerk' or a paperpusher. I feel 'desk jobs' are spiritually regressive. a guy needs to (physically) sweat a little in his daily life anyway. it keeps the steel in the spine. if he can do it by swinging a hammer or a cleaver, good for him.</p> She has a husband who is a PhD and working as a butcher, she herself apparently is a PhD, I am sure had they stayed on in India they’d be doing far better than what they are doing in Canada working as Butcher and Security Guard, what is this fascination of supposedly educated Indians to migrate to foreign countries where you dont seem to qualify even for a Basic clerical job??????? Guess she had it comming CHAMCHAGIRI doesn’t work all over the world……….

integrating new canadians into the workplace into roles consistent with their education is definitely a challenge. there is an element of racism – it is not overt – but a matter of perception. people make judgements based on perception and then play with facts to justify their decisions. so, when india/africa are generally regarded as cesspools of disease and poverty, it is hard to believe for a 9-to-5′er to believe that someone from those regions could be a skilled marketing professional or a manager or similar white collared professional. the barriers placed to getting a medical professional from these countries certified to practice in canada also reflect the same perceptions.

That said, there’s a basic disconnect here in your personal beliefs and life in Canada.

A butcher is a skilled tradesperson. Though I am not sure how well trained the husband was in this area, it is definitely not a ‘basic job’. it takes a fair bit of skill to slaughter an animal, to drain the blood and clean its entrails so as to not pollute the meat with faecal spillage. it is not an easy life, as with any tradeperson, but in canada you can enjoy a good life as a butcher.

to take this further, if a person wnts to build a life as a tradesperson, he/she can enjoy a very good quality of life. it is not a comedown to become a butcher or a plumber or a cook or a carpenter. IMO, a PhD is awarded to a person for having demonstrated the critical thinking to solve a specific problem in one’s field of study. it trains a person to examine an issue in multiple ways to come up with the optimal solution. while it can help, it need not be linked to a profession. I am suggesting that if baljinder and neelam didnt get a job directly aligned with their field of interest – it is not a come down for them to work as a tradespersons. in fact, that would be superior to working as a ‘basic clerk’ or a paperpusher. I feel ‘desk jobs’ are spiritually regressive. a guy needs to (physically) sweat a little in his daily life anyway. it keeps the steel in the spine. if he can do it by swinging a hammer or a cleaver, good for him.

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195367 gm Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:03:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195367 <p>Thanks to SSK (84) for the suggestions and critique. Yikes, now one can see why I never majored in English or any other difficult Liberal Arts major! I actually believe the whole stinking poem was weak and rather pathetic.</p> <p>In addition to your excellent suggestions, I could have added something about the tenaciousness and persistence of Mrs. Vir (a reference to the 200 emails sent over a few months) . Then again, she sounds like she is not in the best mental state and I certainly don't want to add to her or anyone's grief. Looking back, I probably should not have dabbled in limerick composition in the first place.</p> Thanks to SSK (84) for the suggestions and critique. Yikes, now one can see why I never majored in English or any other difficult Liberal Arts major! I actually believe the whole stinking poem was weak and rather pathetic.

In addition to your excellent suggestions, I could have added something about the tenaciousness and persistence of Mrs. Vir (a reference to the 200 emails sent over a few months) . Then again, she sounds like she is not in the best mental state and I certainly don’t want to add to her or anyone’s grief. Looking back, I probably should not have dabbled in limerick composition in the first place.

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By: Iftekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195364 Iftekhar Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:39:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195364 <p>Though Neelam's action was out of proportion, but this type behaviour is not uncommon among newcomer Desi's. Back in home, people often try to be closer to (but it is not easy) powerful (and often corrupt) politicians and use those relations for unlawful personal gains and status. When people immigrate to west, mindset remains same. And when they found it is so easy here to be close and talk to these powerful politicians, became wild with false hope of using the relations for personal gains and status as in back home. In most of the cases, this over enthusiasm subside with time with broken dreams. But in case of Neelam it backfires very badly. Sorry for her, hope it will be a eye opener for others.</p> Though Neelam’s action was out of proportion, but this type behaviour is not uncommon among newcomer Desi’s. Back in home, people often try to be closer to (but it is not easy) powerful (and often corrupt) politicians and use those relations for unlawful personal gains and status. When people immigrate to west, mindset remains same. And when they found it is so easy here to be close and talk to these powerful politicians, became wild with false hope of using the relations for personal gains and status as in back home. In most of the cases, this over enthusiasm subside with time with broken dreams. But in case of Neelam it backfires very badly. Sorry for her, hope it will be a eye opener for others.

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By: SSK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/26/death_by_gulab/comment-page-2/#comment-195359 SSK Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:37:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5056#comment-195359 <p><i>72 · <b>gm</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005056.html#comment195265">said</a></i></p> <blockquote> There once was this Canuck lass from Punjab who had a mix of jamun flavored with gulab The box was lovingly sent to McGuinty along with innocent emails aplenty literally translated from Hindi (so she really isn't guilty) yet it sent coppers into a frenzy The Gits pack serves only four Pray the lass won't serve twenty (to life or more) </blockquote> <p>Hah, nice one! Some suggestions, jamun is actually a fruit, and is used in the name of the dessert as a visual description. How about "Jamun-e-gulab"? Also, the Liberals (party of Dalton McGuinty) are colloquially knows as The Grits. You could couple that with Gits. The 5th and 6th lines are the weakest parts and should be reworked.</p> <p>Also, does anyone else here watch <a href="http://www.hbo.com/conchords/about/index.html">Flight of the Conchords</a>? Neelam Vir reminds me of the character Mel.</p> 72 · gm said

There once was this Canuck lass from Punjab who had a mix of jamun flavored with gulab The box was lovingly sent to McGuinty along with innocent emails aplenty literally translated from Hindi (so she really isn’t guilty) yet it sent coppers into a frenzy The Gits pack serves only four Pray the lass won’t serve twenty (to life or more)

Hah, nice one! Some suggestions, jamun is actually a fruit, and is used in the name of the dessert as a visual description. How about “Jamun-e-gulab”? Also, the Liberals (party of Dalton McGuinty) are colloquially knows as The Grits. You could couple that with Gits. The 5th and 6th lines are the weakest parts and should be reworked.

Also, does anyone else here watch Flight of the Conchords? Neelam Vir reminds me of the character Mel.

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