Comments on: What do Anand Jon and Narendra Modi have in common? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-268092 AJ Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:05:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-268092 <blockquote>This is something I have thought a lot about. Many folks including many Hindus in all parts of India have criticized Modi for the Gujarat episode like so many Indian-Americans. But he did win elections and is widely supported by Hindus in his home state. Does it mean Hindus in Gujarat went soft on him for the massacare or did they think that particular issue not to be so grave enough to dismiss him ? </blockquote> <p>Even if people believe he was culpable, it would be more of the second than the first. To provide a direct analogy, most Indian voters know that rape of Muslim minors is both legal and non-interference in such rapes is supported by the Congress party via allowance for marriages under a special personal law. That they support such a practice hasn't made much of a difference to voting patterns since there are so many other issues that elections are fought on.</p> This is something I have thought a lot about. Many folks including many Hindus in all parts of India have criticized Modi for the Gujarat episode like so many Indian-Americans. But he did win elections and is widely supported by Hindus in his home state. Does it mean Hindus in Gujarat went soft on him for the massacare or did they think that particular issue not to be so grave enough to dismiss him ?

Even if people believe he was culpable, it would be more of the second than the first. To provide a direct analogy, most Indian voters know that rape of Muslim minors is both legal and non-interference in such rapes is supported by the Congress party via allowance for marriages under a special personal law. That they support such a practice hasn’t made much of a difference to voting patterns since there are so many other issues that elections are fought on.

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By: kool k. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-226307 kool k. Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:17:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-226307 <p>Jan4,2008. Hi all, happy new year to all of u. I met AJ first in NYC and later (2nd time) in his infamous BH condo in 2005, when he had "engaged me" to raise money for his fashion brand. Even spent a nite in the apt, with a model who looked about 18, at best. She, (Amanda) was from Bakersfield, and seemed rather noncommunicative. She spent the nite with AJ in his room, and as far as I can imagine, they had to have made whoopie :-),</p> <p>At the time, he had a website, and some brochures, but that was about all. The few investors I talked to decided to pass, for whatever reason. I found AJ to be devoid of personality and humor (which however, I am not surprised. IMnsHO, Desis of both the Indian and Pakistani variety are seriously deficient in humor, and so maybe he was just keeping in line with the stereotype.</p> <p>That is not to say that most fo the mutineers in this cutely named blog dont have a SOH. The fact that u were creative enuff to come up with a Anglophilic names suggests that u all dont meet the stereotype. Another blogger who definitely doesnt conform to the wooden humorless Desi is www.currybear.com, which is worth a look. As well as my buddy, Richard Menon, the Indian Playboy. (We are the certified Cool Desis of America :-)</p> <p>Anyway here are some of my comments: 1) Dont know what the real connection is between AJ and Modi, but I think Modi should definitely be locked up. In the US, he would have been convicted of hate crimes. I dont like fanatics, ideologues, and radicals of all stripes, whether they are Hindu fanatics or Muslim Talibans. I think they should kill all the Talibans, or convert them to Christianity. I am glad that the US govt had the good sense to deny Modi an entry visa to the US.</p> <p>2) AJ had major attitude. He sort of pissed me off by his cavalier behaviour, and i am sure that the models who had expected to be introduced to Paris Hilton, and projected onto catwalks on Milan and Paris, and instead found themselves being groped on his couch, were equally pissed off. Plus, if he dissed them further by casting them off, without even following thru with his tacit obligations of getting them exposure in NYC, and perhaps started playing games with them, ie not returning email messages and phone calls, and generally becoming deceptive and evasive, it must have pissed them off no end.</p> <p>Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, is what got him in the end, atleast IMO. If he had made friends after he screwed them, rather than cast them aside like so much basura, I dont think they would have filed those charges.</p> <p>An unnamed Desi girl recounts her experiences: His arrogance and disregard for others was evident. http://lockupanandjon.blogspot.com/ Much as I was not enamored of AJ, I feel that the Government of India, and the Indian Embassy is remiss in not coming to the aid of an Indian citizen. Desis (Indians) rarely go out of their way to help another Desi in America, and this matter proves it all too well. No wonder all the Desis who come (atlleast the majority) wind up getting US citzenship.</p> <p>Send me a note, and I will give u the name of my website and some of my articles on combatting global poverty, conflict and ecological warfare.</p> <p>Long live America! kool k., CCD Certified Cool Desi (TM) PS: u may email me via the email link above.</p> Jan4,2008. Hi all, happy new year to all of u. I met AJ first in NYC and later (2nd time) in his infamous BH condo in 2005, when he had “engaged me” to raise money for his fashion brand. Even spent a nite in the apt, with a model who looked about 18, at best. She, (Amanda) was from Bakersfield, and seemed rather noncommunicative. She spent the nite with AJ in his room, and as far as I can imagine, they had to have made whoopie :-) ,

At the time, he had a website, and some brochures, but that was about all. The few investors I talked to decided to pass, for whatever reason. I found AJ to be devoid of personality and humor (which however, I am not surprised. IMnsHO, Desis of both the Indian and Pakistani variety are seriously deficient in humor, and so maybe he was just keeping in line with the stereotype.

That is not to say that most fo the mutineers in this cutely named blog dont have a SOH. The fact that u were creative enuff to come up with a Anglophilic names suggests that u all dont meet the stereotype. Another blogger who definitely doesnt conform to the wooden humorless Desi is http://www.currybear.com, which is worth a look. As well as my buddy, Richard Menon, the Indian Playboy. (We are the certified Cool Desis of America :-)

Anyway here are some of my comments: 1) Dont know what the real connection is between AJ and Modi, but I think Modi should definitely be locked up. In the US, he would have been convicted of hate crimes. I dont like fanatics, ideologues, and radicals of all stripes, whether they are Hindu fanatics or Muslim Talibans. I think they should kill all the Talibans, or convert them to Christianity. I am glad that the US govt had the good sense to deny Modi an entry visa to the US.

2) AJ had major attitude. He sort of pissed me off by his cavalier behaviour, and i am sure that the models who had expected to be introduced to Paris Hilton, and projected onto catwalks on Milan and Paris, and instead found themselves being groped on his couch, were equally pissed off. Plus, if he dissed them further by casting them off, without even following thru with his tacit obligations of getting them exposure in NYC, and perhaps started playing games with them, ie not returning email messages and phone calls, and generally becoming deceptive and evasive, it must have pissed them off no end.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, is what got him in the end, atleast IMO. If he had made friends after he screwed them, rather than cast them aside like so much basura, I dont think they would have filed those charges.

An unnamed Desi girl recounts her experiences: His arrogance and disregard for others was evident. http://lockupanandjon.blogspot.com/ Much as I was not enamored of AJ, I feel that the Government of India, and the Indian Embassy is remiss in not coming to the aid of an Indian citizen. Desis (Indians) rarely go out of their way to help another Desi in America, and this matter proves it all too well. No wonder all the Desis who come (atlleast the majority) wind up getting US citzenship.

Send me a note, and I will give u the name of my website and some of my articles on combatting global poverty, conflict and ecological warfare.

Long live America! kool k., CCD Certified Cool Desi (TM) PS: u may email me via the email link above.

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By: LindaV http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-194193 LindaV Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:37:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-194193 <p>I am an Anand Jon supporter. From the beginning, he hasn't been able to properly defend himself. He is already being judged by the media's made up stories everyone's coming out with, especially these girls. He deserves to be tried fairly in court. There isn't any proof whatsoever that proves that he is guilty. Everyone is going by these hearsays. I respect his sister for fighting for her brother's life every step of the way. Wouldn't we do the same? His innocence will be proven!</p> I am an Anand Jon supporter. From the beginning, he hasn’t been able to properly defend himself. He is already being judged by the media’s made up stories everyone’s coming out with, especially these girls. He deserves to be tried fairly in court. There isn’t any proof whatsoever that proves that he is guilty. Everyone is going by these hearsays. I respect his sister for fighting for her brother’s life every step of the way. Wouldn’t we do the same? His innocence will be proven!

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By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192784 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:45:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192784 <p>Narendra Modi and Amy Winehouse finally have something in <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7234002.stm">common</a>, besides being on <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7202310.stm">crack</a>.</p> Narendra Modi and Amy Winehouse finally have something in common, besides being on crack.

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By: dCynic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192680 dCynic Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:39:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192680 <p>why dont they revoke anand's special category O1 or somesuch visa? then there will be one more commonality between the two...</p> why dont they revoke anand’s special category O1 or somesuch visa? then there will be one more commonality between the two…

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192552 portmanteau Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:33:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192552 <p><i>74 · <b>Manju</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005007.html#comment192392">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>ts worthy of a great novel, album, or contrarian hedge fund.</blockquote> <p>do you mean a "contrarian" hedge fund or a contrarian "hedge fund," Manju? :) since these days fingers are being pointed at "progressive speak," i was keeping score for a little bit. but you know i respeck you, and your power suit.</p> 74 · Manju said

ts worthy of a great novel, album, or contrarian hedge fund.

do you mean a “contrarian” hedge fund or a contrarian “hedge fund,” Manju? :) since these days fingers are being pointed at “progressive speak,” i was keeping score for a little bit. but you know i respeck you, and your power suit.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192548 Rahul Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:59:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192548 <blockquote>When you talk of ethnic cleansing of muslims [where], is it like the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir Valley?? Is it not?? Please be honest. </blockquote> <p>No, it's not. I fully agree with the implicit claim in your question that Narendra Modi is no better than a vile terrorist. However, when a terrorist assumes power and still continues with the same kind of behavior, and further, uses the machinery of the state to pursue his disgusting goals, he also violates the fundamental trust placed in him by his citizens. State actors have more privileges than individual citizens, but they also have greater responsibility.</p> When you talk of ethnic cleansing of muslims [where], is it like the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir Valley?? Is it not?? Please be honest.

No, it’s not. I fully agree with the implicit claim in your question that Narendra Modi is no better than a vile terrorist. However, when a terrorist assumes power and still continues with the same kind of behavior, and further, uses the machinery of the state to pursue his disgusting goals, he also violates the fundamental trust placed in him by his citizens. State actors have more privileges than individual citizens, but they also have greater responsibility.

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192547 Shruti Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:46:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192547 <p>Delurking 1) to tell Abhi this is an excellent post, and 2) to say a word about this:</p> <p><i>77 · <b>melbourne desi</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005007.html#comment192397">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Parts of this case is quite grey especially the statutory rape aspect. I think he does prey on young impressionable women. However, the young impressionable women are hardly children and demanding that they be treated as children is ludicrous. When a large number of underage models parade their wares, it is not unreasonable to believe that these models be treated as adults. Behaving in an adult fashion warrants that the same adult standards be applied consistenly across all areas. </blockquote> <p>First of all, this logic is crap. But many people have already explained why, so I won't bother. What I do want to say is that a very good friend of mine (who is now my age; early twenties) became one of Anand Jon's victims at 16. She is not, nor ever was, the kind of stupid, minksy teenage debutante you probably have in mind. Not that this makes her special or better than the other victims. You and I don't know who those other girls were. (And so what if they <i>were</i> stupid, minksy teenage debutantes? Does <i>anyone <b>ever</b></i> deserve to be raped?! This is matter of human rights and protection of minors, not IQ.) But anyway, my point is that he was so manipulative, so conniving and so aggressive that he could even make a victim out of my powerfully intelligent and dignifiedly feminist friend. She has not filed charges, but she is engaged with the bullshit Anand-Jon-is-a-Civil Rights-martyr campaign in other productive ways. Just remember that Anand Jon has more young, female victims out there than have filed charges against him.</p> Delurking 1) to tell Abhi this is an excellent post, and 2) to say a word about this:

77 · melbourne desi said

Parts of this case is quite grey especially the statutory rape aspect. I think he does prey on young impressionable women. However, the young impressionable women are hardly children and demanding that they be treated as children is ludicrous. When a large number of underage models parade their wares, it is not unreasonable to believe that these models be treated as adults. Behaving in an adult fashion warrants that the same adult standards be applied consistenly across all areas.

First of all, this logic is crap. But many people have already explained why, so I won’t bother. What I do want to say is that a very good friend of mine (who is now my age; early twenties) became one of Anand Jon’s victims at 16. She is not, nor ever was, the kind of stupid, minksy teenage debutante you probably have in mind. Not that this makes her special or better than the other victims. You and I don’t know who those other girls were. (And so what if they were stupid, minksy teenage debutantes? Does anyone ever deserve to be raped?! This is matter of human rights and protection of minors, not IQ.) But anyway, my point is that he was so manipulative, so conniving and so aggressive that he could even make a victim out of my powerfully intelligent and dignifiedly feminist friend. She has not filed charges, but she is engaged with the bullshit Anand-Jon-is-a-Civil Rights-martyr campaign in other productive ways. Just remember that Anand Jon has more young, female victims out there than have filed charges against him.

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By: Patrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192529 Patrix Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:06:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192529 <p>Rarely comment here but had to delurk and commend Abhi on an excellent post. Hate people who use nationalism to further their personal and nefarious ends.</p> Rarely comment here but had to delurk and commend Abhi on an excellent post. Hate people who use nationalism to further their personal and nefarious ends.

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By: mani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/04/what_do_anand_j_1/comment-page-3/#comment-192503 mani Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:49:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5007#comment-192503 <p>so now its february 2008 is anand jon free? is he still in jail? please post.</p> so now its february 2008 is anand jon free? is he still in jail? please post.

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