Comments on: Model Minority Realized http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rahul S http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-201721 Rahul S Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:51:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-201721 <p>I just past Kenneth COle in downtown CHI, and saw this guy's poster. It's not as big as the 20 ft ad in NY though.</p> I just past Kenneth COle in downtown CHI, and saw this guy’s poster. It’s not as big as the 20 ft ad in NY though.

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By: Punjabisikh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-198074 Punjabisikh Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:24:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-198074 <p>I think this add exemplifies how great the United States is as a Country and its willingness to accept different people. I really don't believe portraying a sadar as fashionable or chic would occur in India and I am saddened to say that it would probably never occur in Punjab. As a sadar myself, it makes me swell up with pride when I see Sonny 20 ft tall in the Mecca of pop culture. It just boggles my mind just thinking about it.</p> I think this add exemplifies how great the United States is as a Country and its willingness to accept different people. I really don’t believe portraying a sadar as fashionable or chic would occur in India and I am saddened to say that it would probably never occur in Punjab. As a sadar myself, it makes me swell up with pride when I see Sonny 20 ft tall in the Mecca of pop culture. It just boggles my mind just thinking about it.

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By: californianpunjaban http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-194460 californianpunjaban Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:39:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-194460 <h1>29 and #36 Amitabh and Narayan,</h1> <p>Caberwal, a last name, the proper pronounciation is (cub-er-wal) but the other used version is (kab-er-wal), thus it is also spelled Kaberwal which has no association, whatsoever with the totally different last name, Sabharwal.</p> 29 and #36 Amitabh and Narayan,

Caberwal, a last name, the proper pronounciation is (cub-er-wal) but the other used version is (kab-er-wal), thus it is also spelled Kaberwal which has no association, whatsoever with the totally different last name, Sabharwal.

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By: pillu singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192952 pillu singh Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:20:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192952 <p>USSR, from guru Nanakdevji maharaz to guru Govindsinghji maharaz they all were hindu. Govindsinghji got the sikh religion from Shivbhagwan. The sikh he made were his paanch pyare, the rest like selfcrowned sikhs. GB.</p> USSR, from guru Nanakdevji maharaz to guru Govindsinghji maharaz they all were hindu. Govindsinghji got the sikh religion from Shivbhagwan. The sikh he made were his paanch pyare, the rest like selfcrowned sikhs. GB.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192393 MD Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:06:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192393 <p>Uh, isn't this basically Benetton's ad campaign for, like, twenty years or so? Or is it just that 'The United Colors of Benetton' is so iconic a marketing plan, everything else looks like it? Am I just old and cranky? (Don't answer)</p> <p>Still, sharp looking ad.</p> Uh, isn’t this basically Benetton’s ad campaign for, like, twenty years or so? Or is it just that ‘The United Colors of Benetton’ is so iconic a marketing plan, everything else looks like it? Am I just old and cranky? (Don’t answer)

Still, sharp looking ad.

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By: Jangali Jaanwar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192316 Jangali Jaanwar Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:33:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192316 <p>Rahul,</p> <blockquote>I am sorry if I misrepresented things, but I was going off of a few statements that I'd seen.</blockquote> <p>Brother, I can only speak for myself but I don't think you need to apologize. I've heard other people say the same thing as you have and I think Camille may have hit upon a explanation, how the issue has been framed by the press and how the message has been lost.</p> <p>Let me add my own mea culpa of sorts though I haven't been called for it, I reread my earlier post and (as usual) there were a few things that made me wince. One of the more important things, I would rather have deleted the last 2 lines in the 3rd para. I just don't feel comfortable judging anyone for choices they make in how they practice their religion especially since I don't view myself a paragon of religion let alone of all things sikhi (for many reasons, including kesh) and I'd rather not cast anything resembling a stone.</p> Rahul,

I am sorry if I misrepresented things, but I was going off of a few statements that I’d seen.

Brother, I can only speak for myself but I don’t think you need to apologize. I’ve heard other people say the same thing as you have and I think Camille may have hit upon a explanation, how the issue has been framed by the press and how the message has been lost.

Let me add my own mea culpa of sorts though I haven’t been called for it, I reread my earlier post and (as usual) there were a few things that made me wince. One of the more important things, I would rather have deleted the last 2 lines in the 3rd para. I just don’t feel comfortable judging anyone for choices they make in how they practice their religion especially since I don’t view myself a paragon of religion let alone of all things sikhi (for many reasons, including kesh) and I’d rather not cast anything resembling a stone.

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By: goriwife http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192284 goriwife Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:28:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192284 <blockquote>For those who aren't familiar with Punjabi nicknames, Sonny is super common, along with Baby, Buntu/Bunty, Bunny, Billoo, Dimple, Jolly, Lovely, Happy, etc., etc. Get a group of Punjus together, and it's like the 7 Dwarves.</blockquote> <p>Hey - don't forget Rosy and Pinky...</p> For those who aren’t familiar with Punjabi nicknames, Sonny is super common, along with Baby, Buntu/Bunty, Bunny, Billoo, Dimple, Jolly, Lovely, Happy, etc., etc. Get a group of Punjus together, and it’s like the 7 Dwarves.

Hey – don’t forget Rosy and Pinky…

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192282 Camille Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:19:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192282 <blockquote>Am I the only one who found the "Hey, we're monotheistic" and "Don't hurt us, we're not THEM" insertions/subtext troublesome? I bring it up because the delineation and separation from Muslims has been front and center in almost all the responses to hate crimes on Sikhs in the past 5 years, and while it is natural, it is a bit disappointing. </blockquote> <p>Rahul, you're not the only one who finds it troubling. I got the impression that he was speaking off the cuff and didn't really get to wordsmith everything (but who knows how much was left on the cutting room floor?)</p> <p>There has been outcry re: the treatment of Muslims in the Sikh community (i.e., "People mistake us for Muslims, and even if we were Muslims it is WRONG to target them for violence"), but news outlets don't tend to pick up the second part of the argument. I think the initial reaction <i>was</i> "but we're not Muslims." I don't think that was meant to legitimize hate violence against Muslims; I think folks did not know how to respond and were genuinely confused/confounded. As the Sikh advocacy community matures we're getting more savvy about our framing. We're not as organized as other communities have been, and despite generations of violence, we're still pretty new to this.</p> Am I the only one who found the “Hey, we’re monotheistic” and “Don’t hurt us, we’re not THEM” insertions/subtext troublesome? I bring it up because the delineation and separation from Muslims has been front and center in almost all the responses to hate crimes on Sikhs in the past 5 years, and while it is natural, it is a bit disappointing.

Rahul, you’re not the only one who finds it troubling. I got the impression that he was speaking off the cuff and didn’t really get to wordsmith everything (but who knows how much was left on the cutting room floor?)

There has been outcry re: the treatment of Muslims in the Sikh community (i.e., “People mistake us for Muslims, and even if we were Muslims it is WRONG to target them for violence”), but news outlets don’t tend to pick up the second part of the argument. I think the initial reaction was “but we’re not Muslims.” I don’t think that was meant to legitimize hate violence against Muslims; I think folks did not know how to respond and were genuinely confused/confounded. As the Sikh advocacy community matures we’re getting more savvy about our framing. We’re not as organized as other communities have been, and despite generations of violence, we’re still pretty new to this.

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-2/#comment-192274 Neale Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:00:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192274 <p>Does Mr. Schanbel ever have to explain? He was waering PJs on Charlie Rose.</p> Does Mr. Schanbel ever have to explain? He was waering PJs on Charlie Rose.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/02/01/model_minority_1/comment-page-1/#comment-192260 Rahul Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:02:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5001#comment-192260 <blockquote>Most of the responses I've heard or seen, (for example from the Sikh Coalition) has decried any act of harassment and not focused on the delineation, per se.</blockquote> <p>I am sorry if I misrepresented things, but I was going off of a few statements that I'd seen. I'll see if I can find them, but probably the most prominent one is a movie made by a Sikh woman about hate crimes against Sikhs (don't remember the name now) and its associated coverage on CNN. The coverage on CNN focused on the ignorance aspect of the hate crimes on Sikhs, as did all the excerpts of the movie that I saw (haven't seen the full movie).</p> Most of the responses I’ve heard or seen, (for example from the Sikh Coalition) has decried any act of harassment and not focused on the delineation, per se.

I am sorry if I misrepresented things, but I was going off of a few statements that I’d seen. I’ll see if I can find them, but probably the most prominent one is a movie made by a Sikh woman about hate crimes against Sikhs (don’t remember the name now) and its associated coverage on CNN. The coverage on CNN focused on the ignorance aspect of the hate crimes on Sikhs, as did all the excerpts of the movie that I saw (haven’t seen the full movie).

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