Comments on: Terror Cell in Madrid http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rt http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191917 rt Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:37:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191917 <p>http://www.nagalandpost.com/Leisuredesc.asp?sectionid=54798</p> http://www.nagalandpost.com/Leisuredesc.asp?sectionid=54798

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By: Bridget Jones http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191749 Bridget Jones Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:53:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191749 <p><i>41 · <b><a href="http://www.bluntinstrument.net">Salil Maniktahla</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004988.html#comment191267">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Where's Razib, dammit? </blockquote> <p>118: ></p> <blockquote>In a lame attempt to channel the sadly-missing Razib</blockquote> <p>Razib is busy enjoying the fame of his name/blog appearing on page 69 of the Jan/Feb issue of <a href="http://seedmagazine.com/">SEED</a> magazine ( which might have been itself worthy of the news tab but couldn't find a web link )</p> 41 · Salil Maniktahla said

Where’s Razib, dammit?

118: >

In a lame attempt to channel the sadly-missing Razib

Razib is busy enjoying the fame of his name/blog appearing on page 69 of the Jan/Feb issue of SEED magazine ( which might have been itself worthy of the news tab but couldn’t find a web link )

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191479 Rahul Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:01:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191479 <blockquote>reminds me of high school when we were taught about communism, immediately followed by mccarthyism to balance things out.</blockquote> <p>Don't worry, Manju, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/books/review/Oshinsky-t.html">balance is alive and well</a>!</p> <p>(I also realize I didn't address your analogy to black racism well. There are two points I wanted to make: First that Hindu religious fundamentalism in India has the ability to wield significant detrimental power - which is what I lazily referred to in the statement that nala took offense to, and second, while you might disagree, it is extremely dangerous to creeping danger of illiberalism in societies that actively cultivate their self image of democracy, rights and freedom, because the myth won't change even as the facts do.)</p> reminds me of high school when we were taught about communism, immediately followed by mccarthyism to balance things out.

Don’t worry, Manju, balance is alive and well!

(I also realize I didn’t address your analogy to black racism well. There are two points I wanted to make: First that Hindu religious fundamentalism in India has the ability to wield significant detrimental power – which is what I lazily referred to in the statement that nala took offense to, and second, while you might disagree, it is extremely dangerous to creeping danger of illiberalism in societies that actively cultivate their self image of democracy, rights and freedom, because the myth won’t change even as the facts do.)

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By: gach http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191466 gach Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:08:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191466 <p>bush invaded iraq for political reasons. iraqis can take a deep breath of gratitude.</p> bush invaded iraq for political reasons. iraqis can take a deep breath of gratitude.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191462 Manju Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:50:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191462 <p><i>134 · <b>nala</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004988.html#comment191373">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>And what about atheist neocons like Manju? Who would they have to condemn first? :)</blockquote> <p>Robespierre</p> 134 · nala said

And what about atheist neocons like Manju? Who would they have to condemn first? :)

Robespierre

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By: DesiDawg http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191450 DesiDawg Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:21:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191450 <p><i></p> <blockquote>The implications are interesting and many.</blockquote> <p></i></p> <p>Yeah. Sales of Vaseline and other anal lubes should go up in the sub-continent. All "desis" travelling outside India will be a good target segment. Perhaps, south asia becomes the largest market for vaseline worldwide.</p>

The implications are interesting and many.

Yeah. Sales of Vaseline and other anal lubes should go up in the sub-continent. All “desis” travelling outside India will be a good target segment. Perhaps, south asia becomes the largest market for vaseline worldwide.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191446 Harbeer Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:11:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191446 <p><i>169 · <b>nala</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004988.html#comment191417">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Isn't a lot of this (those actors who fully deserve that label not brought to account for it) because of the failure of the courts in their own countries? (I don't mean the U.S.) And they're allowed into Western countries like the U.S. and the UK because whatever crimes they committed don't factor into the current geopolitical scheme?</blockquote> <p>In the case of Luis Posada Carriles it's because he was acting <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/9/1/232838/8666">on behalf of the United States</a>.</p> 169 · nala said

Isn’t a lot of this (those actors who fully deserve that label not brought to account for it) because of the failure of the courts in their own countries? (I don’t mean the U.S.) And they’re allowed into Western countries like the U.S. and the UK because whatever crimes they committed don’t factor into the current geopolitical scheme?

In the case of Luis Posada Carriles it’s because he was acting on behalf of the United States.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191445 rob Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:31:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191445 <blockquote>185 · portmanteau i did not mean rule utilitarianism, rob; i mean your garden-variety utilitarianism (greatest good for the highest number), and hence, the word, "side constraints." [eg rawls uses "do not violate liberty" as a side-constraint in applying the difference principle]. maximize utility, but do not violate a, b, and c, which is not really rule utilitarianism. sorry, if that wasn't clear; gotta go. i do agree, however, that rule ut. is untenable. </blockquote> <p>If you're trying to maximize aggregate utility, how do you justify the "side constraints?" I.e., what happens if utility maximization in a particular case demands neglecting or overriding the "constraint"? (E.g., to be extreme, world will end unless you violate the side constraint--now, you can't claim that respecting the side constraint, leading to the end of the world, maximize aggregate utility, can you?) You <i>can't</i> always maximize utility <i>and</i> satisfy the constraints, no? They can conflict. Maybe the literature has made big advances that I am not up to speed on, but isn't Rawls a (the!) big <i>critic</i> of utilitarianism? I am confused that you are invoking him (please try to explain more to me about why he is not a rule utilitarian--your description of him seems, to me, to <i>be</i> a canonical example of rule utilitarianism (don't overlook the possibility that I may be missing something obvious)). Maybe we're just disagreeing about labels--I don't mean to, but I hope you can see my point.</p> 185 · portmanteau i did not mean rule utilitarianism, rob; i mean your garden-variety utilitarianism (greatest good for the highest number), and hence, the word, “side constraints.” [eg rawls uses "do not violate liberty" as a side-constraint in applying the difference principle]. maximize utility, but do not violate a, b, and c, which is not really rule utilitarianism. sorry, if that wasn’t clear; gotta go. i do agree, however, that rule ut. is untenable.

If you’re trying to maximize aggregate utility, how do you justify the “side constraints?” I.e., what happens if utility maximization in a particular case demands neglecting or overriding the “constraint”? (E.g., to be extreme, world will end unless you violate the side constraint–now, you can’t claim that respecting the side constraint, leading to the end of the world, maximize aggregate utility, can you?) You can’t always maximize utility and satisfy the constraints, no? They can conflict. Maybe the literature has made big advances that I am not up to speed on, but isn’t Rawls a (the!) big critic of utilitarianism? I am confused that you are invoking him (please try to explain more to me about why he is not a rule utilitarian–your description of him seems, to me, to be a canonical example of rule utilitarianism (don’t overlook the possibility that I may be missing something obvious)). Maybe we’re just disagreeing about labels–I don’t mean to, but I hope you can see my point.

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191444 muralimannered Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:15:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191444 <p><i>174 · <b>Rahul</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004988.html#comment191428">said</a></i></p> <p><</p> <p>blockquote></p> <blockquote>But I'm way sexier than the guys in those pics you linked to.</blockquote> <p>I really appreciate your letting me know. I only hope, for your sake, that this opinion has more of a basis in fact <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004946.html#comment186977" rel="nofollow">than</a> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004978.html#comment190860" rel="nofollow">your</a> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004862.html#comment178577" rel="nofollow">other</a> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004764.html#comment169832" rel="nofollow">ones</a>.</p> <blockquote>I dunno - I can't get myself to stop looking at the guy doing the Hindu squat. </blockquote> <blockquote>Much better than <a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/METRO/712180364/1409/METRO" rel="nofollow">Hindu women doing the squat</a>, it would seem. </blockquote> <p>C'mon, there's much to be said for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_Race">theory of martial races</a>. Let our precocious <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Curzon%2C_1st_Marquess_Curzon_of_Kedleston">Curzon</a>-In-Training continue on this merry pseudo-intellectual journey.</p> 174 · Rahul said

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But I’m way sexier than the guys in those pics you linked to.

I really appreciate your letting me know. I only hope, for your sake, that this opinion has more of a basis in fact than your other ones.

I dunno – I can’t get myself to stop looking at the guy doing the Hindu squat.
Much better than Hindu women doing the squat, it would seem.

C’mon, there’s much to be said for the theory of martial races. Let our precocious Curzon-In-Training continue on this merry pseudo-intellectual journey.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/25/terror_cell_in/comment-page-4/#comment-191443 portmanteau Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:15:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4988#comment-191443 <p><i>180 · <b>rob</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004988.html#comment191438">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>"rule-utilitarianism"</blockquote> <p>i did not mean rule utilitarianism, rob; i mean your garden-variety utilitarianism (greatest good for the highest number), and hence, the word, "side constraints." [eg rawls uses "do not violate liberty" as a side-constraint in applying the difference principle]. maximize utility, but do not violate a, b, and c, which is not really rule utilitarianism. sorry, if that wasn't clear; gotta go. i do agree, however, that rule ut. is untenable.</p> 180 · rob said

“rule-utilitarianism”

i did not mean rule utilitarianism, rob; i mean your garden-variety utilitarianism (greatest good for the highest number), and hence, the word, “side constraints.” [eg rawls uses "do not violate liberty" as a side-constraint in applying the difference principle]. maximize utility, but do not violate a, b, and c, which is not really rule utilitarianism. sorry, if that wasn’t clear; gotta go. i do agree, however, that rule ut. is untenable.

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