Comments on: Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta’ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: medicus driver http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-270107 medicus driver Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:03:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-270107 <p>Interesting post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting. I’ll likely be coming back to your blog. Keep up great writing.</p> Interesting post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting. I’ll likely be coming back to your blog. Keep up great writing.

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By: SI http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-198034 SI Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:25:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-198034 <p>Venky's book just got <a href="http://www.desimanifesto.com/gang-leader-day-hollywood-casualty-life/2008-03-26">optioned by Paramount Vantage</a>. If he thought his work was mocked on Colbert, just wait til Hollywood gets through with him. He'll long for the days of Chicago's South Side.</p> Venky’s book just got optioned by Paramount Vantage. If he thought his work was mocked on Colbert, just wait til Hollywood gets through with him. He’ll long for the days of Chicago’s South Side.

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By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-191855 bess Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:23:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-191855 <p>Oye! <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2183149/entry/2183160/">Letters on Slate</a> between Sudhir Venkatesh and Alex Kotlowitz.</p> Oye! Letters on Slate between Sudhir Venkatesh and Alex Kotlowitz.

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By: Poor Golfer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-191746 Poor Golfer Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:44:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-191746 <p>The video was really spectacular ... U have done an awesome job</p> The video was really spectacular … U have done an awesome job

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-191192 Camille Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:01:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-191192 <blockquote>There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as "How does it feel to be Black and poor?" Classic. </blockquote> <p>Denise, I think your critiques are on-point, but Venkatesh addresses many of your questions throughout his work (including underscoring how patronizing and stupid his original survey was -- he often highlights the disconnect between "ivory tower survey methodology" and the its disconnect from the lives of real people on the ground). The NYT review is fairly cursory and doesn't really examine this book in the context of his other work; instead it relishes its disdain for the "glorification of the gangster lifestyle." I don't know that that's a fair assessment of the sum of his work.</p> There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as “How does it feel to be Black and poor?” Classic.

Denise, I think your critiques are on-point, but Venkatesh addresses many of your questions throughout his work (including underscoring how patronizing and stupid his original survey was — he often highlights the disconnect between “ivory tower survey methodology” and the its disconnect from the lives of real people on the ground). The NYT review is fairly cursory and doesn’t really examine this book in the context of his other work; instead it relishes its disdain for the “glorification of the gangster lifestyle.” I don’t know that that’s a fair assessment of the sum of his work.

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By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-191190 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:44:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-191190 <blockquote>I wish I still had it because it would have gone perfectly to a beat.</blockquote> <p>Fiddlesticks. Maybe you can call them back?</p> <blockquote>To anyone curious, the film rights for the book were sold before the book hit store shelves.</blockquote> <p>100 rupees that Dr. Venkatesh's role is played by Kal Penn.</p> I wish I still had it because it would have gone perfectly to a beat.

Fiddlesticks. Maybe you can call them back?

To anyone curious, the film rights for the book were sold before the book hit store shelves.

100 rupees that Dr. Venkatesh’s role is played by Kal Penn.

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By: Lurker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-191183 Lurker Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:33:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-191183 <p>To anyone curious, the film rights for the book were sold before the book hit store shelves.</p> <p>It's set up at Paramount with director Craig Brewer (Hustle & Flow, Black Snake Moan) in talks to direct.</p> To anyone curious, the film rights for the book were sold before the book hit store shelves.

It’s set up at Paramount with director Craig Brewer (Hustle & Flow, Black Snake Moan) in talks to direct.

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By: sigh! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-190844 sigh! Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:28:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-190844 <blockquote>I'm concerned about Venkatesh's research...does it influence public policy makers or help the community he has researched? Probably not. The NYT review stated that he did not include the feelings of project residents about the Black Kings. I'd assume they have a pretty low opinion of the gang and possibly Venkatesh as well. Actually, I'd rather hear about the struggles of those within housing projects who are a segment of the working class poor; how do they deal with crime and extortion, dire conditions and living on meager earnings? And those who are not members of a gang...how do they survive? How do you raise a child to respect education and its merits in such an environment? There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as "How does it feel to be Black and poor?" Classic.</blockquote> <p>denise, i think you (and others) have raised fair questions about this book; at the same time though you all should also read his other two works (both of which deal with the residents, and not gang members). you should also do some background research on his scholarship (i.e. read some of his papers) before passing hasty judgments on him based on this one book. in fact i guarantee that you will get answers to most of your questions.</p> I’m concerned about Venkatesh’s research…does it influence public policy makers or help the community he has researched? Probably not. The NYT review stated that he did not include the feelings of project residents about the Black Kings. I’d assume they have a pretty low opinion of the gang and possibly Venkatesh as well. Actually, I’d rather hear about the struggles of those within housing projects who are a segment of the working class poor; how do they deal with crime and extortion, dire conditions and living on meager earnings? And those who are not members of a gang…how do they survive? How do you raise a child to respect education and its merits in such an environment? There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as “How does it feel to be Black and poor?” Classic.

denise, i think you (and others) have raised fair questions about this book; at the same time though you all should also read his other two works (both of which deal with the residents, and not gang members). you should also do some background research on his scholarship (i.e. read some of his papers) before passing hasty judgments on him based on this one book. in fact i guarantee that you will get answers to most of your questions.

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By: Denise http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-190822 Denise Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:00:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-190822 <p>I'm concerned about Venkatesh's research...does it influence public policy makers or help the community he has researched? Probably not. The NYT review stated that he did not include the feelings of project residents about the Black Kings. I'd assume they have a pretty low opinion of the gang and possibly Venkatesh as well. Actually, I'd rather hear about the struggles of those within housing projects who are a segment of the working class poor; how do they deal with crime and extortion, dire conditions and living on meager earnings? And those who are not members of a gang...how do they survive? How do you raise a child to respect education and its merits in such an environment? There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as "How does it feel to be Black and poor?" Classic.</p> I’m concerned about Venkatesh’s research…does it influence public policy makers or help the community he has researched? Probably not. The NYT review stated that he did not include the feelings of project residents about the Black Kings. I’d assume they have a pretty low opinion of the gang and possibly Venkatesh as well. Actually, I’d rather hear about the struggles of those within housing projects who are a segment of the working class poor; how do they deal with crime and extortion, dire conditions and living on meager earnings? And those who are not members of a gang…how do they survive? How do you raise a child to respect education and its merits in such an environment? There are many questions to be pondered, and they should not be as patronizing as “How does it feel to be Black and poor?” Classic.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/21/damn_it_feels_g/comment-page-1/#comment-190685 Rahul Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:18:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4982#comment-190685 <blockquote>Venkatesh is clearly an accomplished hustler, though. Managing to produce not one, not two, but THREE major books from your dissertation research is a hustle of the highest order. Respect!</blockquote> <p>Word! Although he is simultaneously disproving his hypothesis that both the top dog, Levitt, and the foot soldiers like him can't make good :)</p> Venkatesh is clearly an accomplished hustler, though. Managing to produce not one, not two, but THREE major books from your dissertation research is a hustle of the highest order. Respect!

Word! Although he is simultaneously disproving his hypothesis that both the top dog, Levitt, and the foot soldiers like him can’t make good :)

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