Comments on: Nandi Ethics: When Newkirk Found Jallikattu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-267419 Sameer Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:21:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-267419 <p>People suck:</p> <p>From that NYT articles in #140 "...The ring was more like a battlefield than a picnic. Periodically, a bull was released into the crowd, a total of 40 bulls over the four hours. The bulls were harassed by about two dozen horsemen carrying barbed sticks called banderillas, used to prod them into lunging madly into the throng. This worked well, resulting in many wounded manteros.</p> <p>The bulls are not killed in the corralejas as they typically are in bullfights in Colombia. But if a bull is exhausted or, as often happens, tripped up by a rope held by the participants, the crowd swarms in, pelting it with rocks, kicking it, slapping it, spitting on it and pulling its tail.</p> <p>Observing this in the stands are cattlemen and others of the moneyed classes. They throw 2,000-peso notes (about $1) and bottles of rum to the most popular manteros..."</p> <p>The Jallikattu seems closer to American rodeos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallikattu , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodeo</p> People suck:

From that NYT articles in #140 “…The ring was more like a battlefield than a picnic. Periodically, a bull was released into the crowd, a total of 40 bulls over the four hours. The bulls were harassed by about two dozen horsemen carrying barbed sticks called banderillas, used to prod them into lunging madly into the throng. This worked well, resulting in many wounded manteros.

The bulls are not killed in the corralejas as they typically are in bullfights in Colombia. But if a bull is exhausted or, as often happens, tripped up by a rope held by the participants, the crowd swarms in, pelting it with rocks, kicking it, slapping it, spitting on it and pulling its tail.

Observing this in the stands are cattlemen and others of the moneyed classes. They throw 2,000-peso notes (about $1) and bottles of rum to the most popular manteros…”

The Jallikattu seems closer to American rodeos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallikattu , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodeo

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-267418 Sameer Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:08:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-267418 <p>I usually cheer for the bulls. Especially the bulls in Spain and other countries that have bull fights.</p> I usually cheer for the bulls. Especially the bulls in Spain and other countries that have bull fights.

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By: Devi Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-267416 Devi Amrita Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:19:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-267416 <p>it is 2010 and yet bulls have died in name of sport and entertainment. it is an irony that man prays to this creature and also tortures it to death</p> it is 2010 and yet bulls have died in name of sport and entertainment. it is an irony that man prays to this creature and also tortures it to death

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By: Preston http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-191056 Preston Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:39:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-191056 <p>Apparently they do this sort of thing in Colombia, too:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/world/americas/24colombia.html?pagewanted=1">NYTimes article</a></p> <blockquote> The rural poor, the urban unemployed, testosterone-filled adolescents, drifters, shopkeepers, mechanics — as long as they are undaunted by the possibility of severe injury or death — enter an arena on Sincelejo’s outskirts made from lumber and discarded pieces of wood. From 2 to 6 p.m. each day in the ring, hundreds of these “manteros,” including a handful of women, waved red capes advertising spirits (Harris Whisky, anyone?) or the candidacies of local politicians. One middle-aged man ran around the arena dressed in a yellow Speedo. Another participant, a transvestite, wore a miniskirt and green knee socks. Others lighted small fires in the ring, brewing coffee as if they were at a picnic. One man wandered the ring with a sign that said, “If you like war, send your son to war.” </blockquote> <blockquote> Anthropologists say the corralejas reflect a rigid social hierarchy, with the rich amusing themselves by watching the poor risk their lives. But the festivals, thought to date to the first half of the 19th century, go deeper than that.</blockquote> Apparently they do this sort of thing in Colombia, too:

NYTimes article

The rural poor, the urban unemployed, testosterone-filled adolescents, drifters, shopkeepers, mechanics — as long as they are undaunted by the possibility of severe injury or death — enter an arena on Sincelejo’s outskirts made from lumber and discarded pieces of wood. From 2 to 6 p.m. each day in the ring, hundreds of these “manteros,” including a handful of women, waved red capes advertising spirits (Harris Whisky, anyone?) or the candidacies of local politicians. One middle-aged man ran around the arena dressed in a yellow Speedo. Another participant, a transvestite, wore a miniskirt and green knee socks. Others lighted small fires in the ring, brewing coffee as if they were at a picnic. One man wandered the ring with a sign that said, “If you like war, send your son to war.”
Anthropologists say the corralejas reflect a rigid social hierarchy, with the rich amusing themselves by watching the poor risk their lives. But the festivals, thought to date to the first half of the 19th century, go deeper than that.
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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190797 Pravin Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:16:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190797 <p>Here is a good clip of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZng0YsKyA">Jallikattu </a>in progress. You watch. You decide. I find it immature and I am usually an immature person, especially the way they keep making the bull turn around in circles. But it does not make me lose sleep.</p> Here is a good clip of Jallikattu in progress. You watch. You decide. I find it immature and I am usually an immature person, especially the way they keep making the bull turn around in circles. But it does not make me lose sleep.

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By: Pondatti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190547 Pondatti Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:57:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190547 <p><i>137 · <b>jkhtgghilj;l</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004977.html#comment190542">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>sad to see the hindu-baiting continue here nonstop.</blockquote> <p>Dearest troll, prithee enlighten us as to exactly where you see evidence of this alleged persecution of our kind, aside from the flame-bait you've pulled out of your ass?</p> 137 · jkhtgghilj;l said

sad to see the hindu-baiting continue here nonstop.

Dearest troll, prithee enlighten us as to exactly where you see evidence of this alleged persecution of our kind, aside from the flame-bait you’ve pulled out of your ass?

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By: jkhtgghilj;l http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190542 jkhtgghilj;l Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:13:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190542 <p>it's a poor man's roller coaster. sad to see the hindu-baiting continue here nonstop.</p> it’s a poor man’s roller coaster. sad to see the hindu-baiting continue here nonstop.

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By: Maitri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190473 Maitri Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:55:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190473 <p>Louisiana just banned cockfighting. This hasn't stopped folks from carrying on the practise illegally. Nor have dog fights been appropriately taken care of; poor little puppies are often thrown out of speeding cars on highways once their owners' operation is shut down.</p> <p>People are dumb.</p> Louisiana just banned cockfighting. This hasn’t stopped folks from carrying on the practise illegally. Nor have dog fights been appropriately taken care of; poor little puppies are often thrown out of speeding cars on highways once their owners’ operation is shut down.

People are dumb.

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190465 sakshi Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:53:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190465 <blockquote>I do wonder how you can tell if a bull/cow is having fun. Even after you remove the chilli powder and alcohol goads from the situation, does the bull really have fun chasing the participants?</blockquote> <p>I remember from times begone, A bull could chase you for no reasons but his own. Yet it is hard to surmise, For say, who would it surprise, If he didn't do it for fun, but for exercise.</p> I do wonder how you can tell if a bull/cow is having fun. Even after you remove the chilli powder and alcohol goads from the situation, does the bull really have fun chasing the participants?

I remember from times begone, A bull could chase you for no reasons but his own. Yet it is hard to surmise, For say, who would it surprise, If he didn’t do it for fun, but for exercise.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/19/nandi_ethics_wh/comment-page-3/#comment-190454 ak Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:14:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4977#comment-190454 <blockquote>i'm north indian, but some folks don't do karva chauth, although they did say, kant sometimes helps your morals. pardon me, if northie shorty pass on sooperstar's froth; i'd say more, but ain't in the mood for prolonged quarrels. as for risks, they be the spiky masala in my daily broth but it's not fair to hurt, in a personal quest for laurels.</blockquote> <p>we're from the south, so no karva chath for me but i doubt that i would observe even if i were punjabi pati-vrata and all that is not in my logic i'd rather have a man who serves me <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004515.html#comment145522">gin and tonic</a>!</p> <p>port, i'm not really back - work has made me 'demote' myself into more of a lurker, at best. but nice to know that i was missed, and that, too, by you.</p> i’m north indian, but some folks don’t do karva chauth, although they did say, kant sometimes helps your morals. pardon me, if northie shorty pass on sooperstar’s froth; i’d say more, but ain’t in the mood for prolonged quarrels. as for risks, they be the spiky masala in my daily broth but it’s not fair to hurt, in a personal quest for laurels.

we’re from the south, so no karva chath for me but i doubt that i would observe even if i were punjabi pati-vrata and all that is not in my logic i’d rather have a man who serves me gin and tonic!

port, i’m not really back – work has made me ‘demote’ myself into more of a lurker, at best. but nice to know that i was missed, and that, too, by you.

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