Comments on: India Is Florida http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: akak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189806 akak Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:21:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189806 <blockquote>Here are the CIA figures on the gap between the nominal and the adjusted GDPs: GDP (purchasing power parity): $4.164 trillion (2006 est.) GDP (official exchange rate): $805.5 billion (2006 est.)[Link] 4 Trillion dollars is twice that of California, the richest state on the map. </blockquote> <p>Last month the <a href="http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:21589281~menuPK:34463~pagePK:34370~piPK:34424~theSitePK:4607,00.html">World Bank released new figures </a>based on revised PPP estimates, that pretty much halved the GDPs of CHina and India -- putting them at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29">about 5.3 trillion and 2.5 trillion respectively</a>. Things are cheap there, but apparently not that cheap. But there is <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/20/business/chiecon.php">some debate </a>about it.</p> Here are the CIA figures on the gap between the nominal and the adjusted GDPs: GDP (purchasing power parity): $4.164 trillion (2006 est.) GDP (official exchange rate): $805.5 billion (2006 est.)[Link] 4 Trillion dollars is twice that of California, the richest state on the map.

Last month the World Bank released new figures based on revised PPP estimates, that pretty much halved the GDPs of CHina and India — putting them at about 5.3 trillion and 2.5 trillion respectively. Things are cheap there, but apparently not that cheap. But there is some debate about it.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189742 rob Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:01:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189742 <p>brown, thanks--wikipedia really does have everything! I missed that concise page.</p> brown, thanks–wikipedia really does have everything! I missed that concise page.

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By: brown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189732 brown Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:19:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189732 <p>Rob,</p> <p>Here is a wikipedia link to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)">list of US states</a> by nominal GDP.</p> Rob,

Here is a wikipedia link to a list of US states by nominal GDP.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189729 rob Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:13:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189729 <blockquote>Florida’s the #3 US State ahead of NY? that doesn’t seem 100% right</blockquote> <p>Vinod, Your intuition is correct! I was suspicious too, so I looked it up--while Florida and NY have similar populations, per-capita income in NY is about 33% higher than FL, giving NY clearly over 1 trillion in GDP and FL clearly less. No clean link to provide, but you can piece it together from Wikipedia.</p> Florida’s the #3 US State ahead of NY? that doesn’t seem 100% right

Vinod, Your intuition is correct! I was suspicious too, so I looked it up–while Florida and NY have similar populations, per-capita income in NY is about 33% higher than FL, giving NY clearly over 1 trillion in GDP and FL clearly less. No clean link to provide, but you can piece it together from Wikipedia.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189702 Camille Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:38:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189702 <p>I'm with Ennis on the adjustment. At least an adjustment in real per capita terms would be instructive :)</p> <blockquote>Florida’s the #3 US State ahead of NY? that doesn’t seem 100% right</blockquote> <p>Vinod, this is probably because New York State does not see the same "big city boom" that the City does -- the areas outside of metro NYC (e.g. factory towns, farms) have been in a recession for the last 15+ years. Their economic drag has to be measured against the bursts in the NYC economy. Also, a portion of metro NYC's economic activity is redistributed across state lines (i.e., Jersey, CT).</p> <blockquote>That's quite impressive for a small state like New Jersey.</blockquote> <p>Jersey is not that small when you take a look at its population :) It also has one of the highest rates of income disparity in the U.S. I think that would be an interesting map, as well. Which states measure up against which countries in relation to income inequality?</p> I’m with Ennis on the adjustment. At least an adjustment in real per capita terms would be instructive :)

Florida’s the #3 US State ahead of NY? that doesn’t seem 100% right

Vinod, this is probably because New York State does not see the same “big city boom” that the City does — the areas outside of metro NYC (e.g. factory towns, farms) have been in a recession for the last 15+ years. Their economic drag has to be measured against the bursts in the NYC economy. Also, a portion of metro NYC’s economic activity is redistributed across state lines (i.e., Jersey, CT).

That’s quite impressive for a small state like New Jersey.

Jersey is not that small when you take a look at its population :) It also has one of the highest rates of income disparity in the U.S. I think that would be an interesting map, as well. Which states measure up against which countries in relation to income inequality?

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By: bulbul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189652 bulbul Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:58:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189652 <p>5# New Jersey – Russia (GDP #15 at $733 billion)</p> <p>That's quite impressive for a small state like New Jersey.</p> 5# New Jersey – Russia (GDP #15 at $733 billion)

That’s quite impressive for a small state like New Jersey.

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By: bulbul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189647 bulbul Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:52:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189647 <p><i>11 · <b><a href="http://www.vinod.com/blog" rel="nofollow">vinod</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004974.html#comment189467">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I was just thinking of how much it would make my French and Canuck friends squirm to see their proud nations portrayed as California and Texas.</blockquote> <p>Majority of the Canadian citizens will squirm to be associated with Texas but not the Prime Minister Stephen Harper. He's a Dubya wannabe.</p> 11 · vinod said

I was just thinking of how much it would make my French and Canuck friends squirm to see their proud nations portrayed as California and Texas.

Majority of the Canadian citizens will squirm to be associated with Texas but not the Prime Minister Stephen Harper. He’s a Dubya wannabe.

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By: Candadai Tirumalai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189627 Candadai Tirumalai Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:45:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189627 <p>India has clearly become one of the world's largest economies but its per capita income (even after adjusting for PPP) lags well behind. Fifty years ago the per capita income of South Korea may have been comparable to India's. But today I believe that the Korean per capita is $20,000 and it is aiming for $40,000. Of course South Korea is much smaller and less diverse in its population. Still, India has a long way to go. Somebody I know has just moved from Washington D.C. to New Hampshire after years in the capital because money goes much further in the Granite State.</p> India has clearly become one of the world’s largest economies but its per capita income (even after adjusting for PPP) lags well behind. Fifty years ago the per capita income of South Korea may have been comparable to India’s. But today I believe that the Korean per capita is $20,000 and it is aiming for $40,000. Of course South Korea is much smaller and less diverse in its population. Still, India has a long way to go. Somebody I know has just moved from Washington D.C. to New Hampshire after years in the capital because money goes much further in the Granite State.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189514 rob Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:59:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189514 <blockquote>8 · Ennis True, but note that if you look at the market for phsyician incomes, for example, they make more in rural areas than in, say, NYC or California. So, the market seems to demand a higher pay even though cost of living is low.The higher prices in some areas come with certain amenities (weather, proximity of "interesting" people, more food choices, etc.), Right, but the extent to which they are paid more for living in rural areas gets masked unless you adjust for cost of living. Imagine a doctor gets $200,000 in NYC and $250,000 in rural Arkansas. Looking at nominal salaries ignores the fact that $250,000 in rural Arkansas is the same as $500,000 in NYC, so he's actually making 250% of what he would make in NYC not 112%.</blockquote> <p>Ahh--very nice point--I missed that!</p> 8 · Ennis True, but note that if you look at the market for phsyician incomes, for example, they make more in rural areas than in, say, NYC or California. So, the market seems to demand a higher pay even though cost of living is low.The higher prices in some areas come with certain amenities (weather, proximity of “interesting” people, more food choices, etc.), Right, but the extent to which they are paid more for living in rural areas gets masked unless you adjust for cost of living. Imagine a doctor gets $200,000 in NYC and $250,000 in rural Arkansas. Looking at nominal salaries ignores the fact that $250,000 in rural Arkansas is the same as $500,000 in NYC, so he’s actually making 250% of what he would make in NYC not 112%.

Ahh–very nice point–I missed that!

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/16/india_is_florid/comment-page-1/#comment-189510 bytewords Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:45:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4974#comment-189510 <p>still no canadian comment? :) they are being mistaken for texas. winter is always bad there i guess :).</p> <p>i agree with kurma re: france though. ca is not a bad comparison, and some---as kurma pointed out, and i am in that boat as well---would think ca is a step up.</p> still no canadian comment? :) they are being mistaken for texas. winter is always bad there i guess :) .

i agree with kurma re: france though. ca is not a bad comparison, and some—as kurma pointed out, and i am in that boat as well—would think ca is a step up.

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