Comments on: Conflict in Pakistan – the Long View http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: FB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-214278 FB Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:26:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-214278 <p>I am from Pripai and my village really have a literacy rate of above 90%. The village have produced very respectable names in the country & province since early 1900.</p> I am from Pripai and my village really have a literacy rate of above 90%. The village have produced very respectable names in the country & province since early 1900.

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By: babarkhel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-198491 babarkhel Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:16:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-198491 <p><i>12 · <B><A href="mailto:hossp12@gl.com" rel=nofollow>HP</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment189191">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>ever under the Communist Party name. In fact there were no elections in Pakistan in 1960. Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960</blockquote> <p>pirpiai does infact have a literacy rate above 90%. Having said that, it still is hardly different from other villages in NWFP. The people share the same social outlook as they always have.</p> 12 · HP said

ever under the Communist Party name. In fact there were no elections in Pakistan in 1960. Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960

pirpiai does infact have a literacy rate above 90%. Having said that, it still is hardly different from other villages in NWFP. The people share the same social outlook as they always have.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189241 boston_mahesh Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:30:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189241 <p><i>16 · <b><a href="mailto:ardyshardy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">Ardy</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment189231">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>where is the letter that stands for Bengali,</blockquote> If that was the case, you may not have had a Bangladesh now, would you. Though I doubt how much Pakistan has learned - look at Sindh, look at Balochistan, FATA. And in latest news, more marines are being deployed for Afghanistan as the situation there is getting worse. </blockquote> <p>I'm not sure I understand your point. The way the Pakis have much internal disputes and civic unrests, it's possible that the name 'Pakistan' will one day become 'Tan', since no Punjabis, Afghanis (Pasthuns), Kashmiris, Sindhis, etc. live there.</p> <p>"Tan" - now that would be a real nice name for a Desi country.</p> 16 · Ardy said

where is the letter that stands for Bengali,
If that was the case, you may not have had a Bangladesh now, would you. Though I doubt how much Pakistan has learned – look at Sindh, look at Balochistan, FATA. And in latest news, more marines are being deployed for Afghanistan as the situation there is getting worse.

I’m not sure I understand your point. The way the Pakis have much internal disputes and civic unrests, it’s possible that the name ‘Pakistan’ will one day become ‘Tan’, since no Punjabis, Afghanis (Pasthuns), Kashmiris, Sindhis, etc. live there.

“Tan” – now that would be a real nice name for a Desi country.

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By: Ardy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189231 Ardy Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:20:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189231 <blockquote>where is the letter that stands for Bengali,</blockquote> <p>If that was the case, you may not have had a Bangladesh now, would you. Though I doubt how much Pakistan has learned - look at Sindh, look at Balochistan, FATA. And in latest news, more marines are being deployed for Afghanistan as the situation there is getting worse.</p> where is the letter that stands for Bengali,

If that was the case, you may not have had a Bangladesh now, would you. Though I doubt how much Pakistan has learned – look at Sindh, look at Balochistan, FATA. And in latest news, more marines are being deployed for Afghanistan as the situation there is getting worse.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189195 boston_mahesh Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:26:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189195 <p><i>2 · <b>RC</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment188981">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>About Pakistan's name, I think that the fact that the word "Pak" means 'holy,chaste,pure' in Urdu may also have played a part in the naming of a Muslim nation. Later on P for punjab K for Kashmir etc. may be used to "explain" it. My Pakistani friends (all either from Lahore or Karachi) have always mentioned MWFP as "sarhad" as in 'border' in Urdu. So I am not sure about the explanation of A for Afghan. Besides until the election (rigged by the muslim league) in NWFP, Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wanted to either stay Independant or join India or join Afghanistan. Due to his urging Pathans boycotted the referendum in NWFP and 80% people did not vote and from a rigged election finally NWFP was awarded to Pakistan. </blockquote> <p>There is something about the term "Land of the Pure" which strikes me as an ethnically cleansed land. Perhaps I've read too much from some Indian nationalist websites.</p> <p>Another thing, if PAK stands for "Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan", where is the letter that stands for Bengali, since this was the single biggest province when Pakistan was formed in '47?</p> 2 · RC said

About Pakistan’s name, I think that the fact that the word “Pak” means ‘holy,chaste,pure’ in Urdu may also have played a part in the naming of a Muslim nation. Later on P for punjab K for Kashmir etc. may be used to “explain” it. My Pakistani friends (all either from Lahore or Karachi) have always mentioned MWFP as “sarhad” as in ‘border’ in Urdu. So I am not sure about the explanation of A for Afghan. Besides until the election (rigged by the muslim league) in NWFP, Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wanted to either stay Independant or join India or join Afghanistan. Due to his urging Pathans boycotted the referendum in NWFP and 80% people did not vote and from a rigged election finally NWFP was awarded to Pakistan.

There is something about the term “Land of the Pure” which strikes me as an ethnically cleansed land. Perhaps I’ve read too much from some Indian nationalist websites.

Another thing, if PAK stands for “Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan”, where is the letter that stands for Bengali, since this was the single biggest province when Pakistan was formed in ’47?

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189194 boston_mahesh Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:20:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189194 <p><i>11 · <b>RC</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment189101">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>What is so obvious that as soon as the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in early 1989, the trouble in Kashmir started. I dont know why the "experts" are not able to connect these simple dots. </blockquote> <p>You make an excellent point. Furthermore, did you know that the Kashmiri violence became drastically reduced after 9-11?</p> 11 · RC said

What is so obvious that as soon as the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in early 1989, the trouble in Kashmir started. I dont know why the “experts” are not able to connect these simple dots.

You make an excellent point. Furthermore, did you know that the Kashmiri violence became drastically reduced after 9-11?

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By: HP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189192 HP Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:33:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189192 <p><i>12 · <b><a href="mailto:hossp12@gl.com" rel="nofollow">HP</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment189191">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960 too.</blockquote> <p>Read: Without exception every women IN Pirpai( pirbhai) wore burka in 1960 too.</p> 12 · HP said

Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960 too.

Read: Without exception every women IN Pirpai( pirbhai) wore burka in 1960 too.

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By: HP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189191 HP Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:30:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189191 <p><i>3 · <b><a href="http://www.armedandstupid@blogspot.com">Bubs</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment188990">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I don't know how much anecdotal evidence is worth, but consider this: I was recently reporting from Pirpiai, a village about 20kms from Nowshera. This is PPP leader Naseerullah Babur's home district, has a literacy rate of over 80% and a majority of the population speaks English. In the 1960s, the Communist Party of Pakistan was the second largest party in the province. Without exception, every woman in the village now wears a bhurka. And I saw a barber shop that had the sign "No Shave" written in English, Urdu and Pushto. It was really spooky. </blockquote> <p>May I ask where this anecdotal evidence from? any link? There is no town in NWFP with 80% literacy rate not now and not in 1960. The Communist Party in Pakistan was banned in 1951 and it did not contest any elections in Pakistan ever under the Communist Party name. In fact there were no elections in Pakistan in 1960. Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960 too.</p> 3 · Bubs said

I don’t know how much anecdotal evidence is worth, but consider this: I was recently reporting from Pirpiai, a village about 20kms from Nowshera. This is PPP leader Naseerullah Babur’s home district, has a literacy rate of over 80% and a majority of the population speaks English. In the 1960s, the Communist Party of Pakistan was the second largest party in the province. Without exception, every woman in the village now wears a bhurka. And I saw a barber shop that had the sign “No Shave” written in English, Urdu and Pushto. It was really spooky.

May I ask where this anecdotal evidence from? any link? There is no town in NWFP with 80% literacy rate not now and not in 1960. The Communist Party in Pakistan was banned in 1951 and it did not contest any elections in Pakistan ever under the Communist Party name. In fact there were no elections in Pakistan in 1960. Without exception every women and Pirpai wore burka in 1960 too.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189101 RC Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:52:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189101 <p>What is so obvious that as soon as the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in early 1989, the trouble in Kashmir started. I dont know why the "experts" are not able to connect these simple dots.</p> What is so obvious that as soon as the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in early 1989, the trouble in Kashmir started. I dont know why the “experts” are not able to connect these simple dots.

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By: ptr_vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/15/conflict_in_pak/comment-page-1/#comment-189047 ptr_vivek Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:46:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4969#comment-189047 <p><i>4 · <b>Ikram</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004969.html#comment188996">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Vinod -- Wretchard is an idiot. The piece is not only strategically misinformed, it is has basic factual errors. Don't waste your time. Some examples.</blockquote> <p>Boom boom dishoom dishoom.</p> 4 · Ikram said

Vinod — Wretchard is an idiot. The piece is not only strategically misinformed, it is has basic factual errors. Don’t waste your time. Some examples.

Boom boom dishoom dishoom.

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