Comments on: Mira Nair’s “The Perez Family” (1995) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: noblekinsman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-189182 noblekinsman Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:25:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-189182 <p>I recently saw this movie, too, didnt care for it. I generally find it difficult to not be annoyed and distracted by "foreingers speak english with funny accents among themselves" movies. This movie is much better without sound. It's pleasing to look at, good colors. It's also among the most ridiculous and stereotypical hot hot hot bullshit latino representations ever made, with the brother in law half scarface half desi arnaz and a bunch of other stuff. And the girl's john wayne fantasy is annoying, too.</p> <h2>One of mira nair's better movies is "Hysterical blindness" for hbo, which I like better than this in that it also takes on an ethnic group other than indians, but doesn't mock it in the same way. It also deals with color differently as there's a seeming blandness to new jersey but the way juliette lewis and uma thurman work and the other things she does with the hysterical distortions are all good. I also like the hand held which she uses in that and in monsoon wedding.</h2> <p>"But perhaps many earlier Indian immigrants are themselves somewhat more conservative than one might expect, perhaps because of the “artifact” of U.S. immigration law up through 1980 — which made it relatively easy for doctors and engineers to come in."</p> <p>In my experience, these older indians, even when wealthy, have been pretty consistently to the left of mainstream politics and so the assumption here is off. alot of cubans are catholic and don't like abortions. Plus the US relationship with Cuba is very different. 90 miles doesn't make for as much of a new culture. Florida and Cuba have never been too far apart. I find the parallel forced.</p> <p>I liked Sarita and recognized her.</p> I recently saw this movie, too, didnt care for it. I generally find it difficult to not be annoyed and distracted by “foreingers speak english with funny accents among themselves” movies. This movie is much better without sound. It’s pleasing to look at, good colors. It’s also among the most ridiculous and stereotypical hot hot hot bullshit latino representations ever made, with the brother in law half scarface half desi arnaz and a bunch of other stuff. And the girl’s john wayne fantasy is annoying, too.

One of mira nair’s better movies is “Hysterical blindness” for hbo, which I like better than this in that it also takes on an ethnic group other than indians, but doesn’t mock it in the same way. It also deals with color differently as there’s a seeming blandness to new jersey but the way juliette lewis and uma thurman work and the other things she does with the hysterical distortions are all good. I also like the hand held which she uses in that and in monsoon wedding.

“But perhaps many earlier Indian immigrants are themselves somewhat more conservative than one might expect, perhaps because of the “artifact” of U.S. immigration law up through 1980 — which made it relatively easy for doctors and engineers to come in.”

In my experience, these older indians, even when wealthy, have been pretty consistently to the left of mainstream politics and so the assumption here is off. alot of cubans are catholic and don’t like abortions. Plus the US relationship with Cuba is very different. 90 miles doesn’t make for as much of a new culture. Florida and Cuba have never been too far apart. I find the parallel forced.

I liked Sarita and recognized her.

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By: Raju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188407 Raju Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:35:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188407 <p>""Filmiholic, it depends on what I can get my hands on next. I've never seen Nair's contribution to that "controversial" collection of "September 11" shorts, so that might be next. After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director's commentary on that one too).""</p> <p>Amardeep. IFC or Sundance Channel have played the shorts collection a few times in the past year.</p> “”Filmiholic, it depends on what I can get my hands on next. I’ve never seen Nair’s contribution to that “controversial” collection of “September 11″ shorts, so that might be next. After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director’s commentary on that one too).”"

Amardeep. IFC or Sundance Channel have played the shorts collection a few times in the past year.

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188379 Filmiholic Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:59:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188379 <blockquote>After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director's commentary on that one too).</blockquote> <p>She did do so, and I found it much more compelling than that of <i>The Namesake</i>, which was still quite interesting in its own right.</p> After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director’s commentary on that one too).

She did do so, and I found it much more compelling than that of The Namesake, which was still quite interesting in its own right.

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By: kusala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188319 kusala Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:23:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188319 <p><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004957.html#comment188297">said</a></p> <blockquote>I should warn you that it might be fair game if there's any kernel of a desi connection in it</blockquote> <p>Amardeep, I have to say, I can't recall even the most remote bit of a desi connection, though my memory may not be the best since the whole experience practially made me bleed out my ears. I trust you will discover it if there is one, however. I urge you to seek it out and watch it, if only so you can summarize the artistry for those of us who failed to grasp it.</p> <p>As a native of New Jersey, I am tempted to have Ms. Nair charged with a Hate Crime against Garden State Citizenry for her involvement with that project. Pardon me while I make a hasty retreat to try to beat the statute of limitations...</p> said

I should warn you that it might be fair game if there’s any kernel of a desi connection in it

Amardeep, I have to say, I can’t recall even the most remote bit of a desi connection, though my memory may not be the best since the whole experience practially made me bleed out my ears. I trust you will discover it if there is one, however. I urge you to seek it out and watch it, if only so you can summarize the artistry for those of us who failed to grasp it.

As a native of New Jersey, I am tempted to have Ms. Nair charged with a Hate Crime against Garden State Citizenry for her involvement with that project. Pardon me while I make a hasty retreat to try to beat the statute of limitations…

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188313 Rahul Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:12:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188313 <blockquote>I'll watch just about any movie with Marisa Tomei in it. She's a very underrated actress, despite having an Oscar.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ib1cy8XpA">George agrees</a>.</p> I’ll watch just about any movie with Marisa Tomei in it. She’s a very underrated actress, despite having an Oscar.

George agrees.

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By: Seahawks fan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188310 Seahawks fan Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:04:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188310 <p>I'll watch just about any movie with Marisa Tomei in it. She's a very underrated actress, despite having an Oscar.</p> I’ll watch just about any movie with Marisa Tomei in it. She’s a very underrated actress, despite having an Oscar.

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188297 Amardeep Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:40:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188297 <p><em>Please don't floor us with your next post on Nair's oeuvre by gushing about the finer subtleties and kernels of beauty in "Hysterical Blindness." If that happens, I just might need a defibrillator.</em></p> <p>Kusala, I've never seen Hysterical Blindness -- though I should warn you that it might be fair game if there's any kernel of a desi connection in it. Writing for Sepia Mutiny has turned me into one of those "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" people, except my parlor game is "Six Degrees of There Must be a Desi Connection, Somewhere, Goddamnit."</p> <p>Filmiholic, it depends on what I can get my hands on next. I've never seen Nair's contribution to that "controversial" collection of "September 11" shorts, so that might be next. After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director's commentary on that one too).</p> Please don’t floor us with your next post on Nair’s oeuvre by gushing about the finer subtleties and kernels of beauty in “Hysterical Blindness.” If that happens, I just might need a defibrillator.

Kusala, I’ve never seen Hysterical Blindness — though I should warn you that it might be fair game if there’s any kernel of a desi connection in it. Writing for Sepia Mutiny has turned me into one of those “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” people, except my parlor game is “Six Degrees of There Must be a Desi Connection, Somewhere, Goddamnit.”

Filmiholic, it depends on what I can get my hands on next. I’ve never seen Nair’s contribution to that “controversial” collection of “September 11″ shorts, so that might be next. After that, the Salaam Bombay DVD (hopefully she did director’s commentary on that one too).

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188244 Filmiholic Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:12:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188244 <p>Hey Amardeep, maybe instead of an SM book club, a film club might be the thing..... can you give us a heads up on what Nair opus you're going to watch next, and we could go along too?</p> Hey Amardeep, maybe instead of an SM book club, a film club might be the thing….. can you give us a heads up on what Nair opus you’re going to watch next, and we could go along too?

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By: kusala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188229 kusala Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:27:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188229 <p>Funny, I've occasionally thought about "The Perez Family" (have never seen it), but entirely forgot that it was directed by Nair. I think I always avoided it because I assumed Marisa Tomei must have given an over-the-top melodramatic performance that would evoke Maria Conchita Alonso channelling Rita Moreno. Glad to see commenters praising her performance here; I may need to check this out.</p> <p>It's often interesting to view multiple cinematic/artistic treatments of directors/writers of one ethnicity interpreting the experiences of those of another. Thanks for exploring that here. I know a lot of people probably don't like this example, but I also found that to be true and enjoyed the way Gurinder Chadha did that it "What's Cooking."</p> <p>Please don't floor us with your next post on Nair's oeuvre by gushing about the finer subtleties and kernels of beauty in "Hysterical Blindness." If that happens, I just might need a defibrillator.</p> Funny, I’ve occasionally thought about “The Perez Family” (have never seen it), but entirely forgot that it was directed by Nair. I think I always avoided it because I assumed Marisa Tomei must have given an over-the-top melodramatic performance that would evoke Maria Conchita Alonso channelling Rita Moreno. Glad to see commenters praising her performance here; I may need to check this out.

It’s often interesting to view multiple cinematic/artistic treatments of directors/writers of one ethnicity interpreting the experiences of those of another. Thanks for exploring that here. I know a lot of people probably don’t like this example, but I also found that to be true and enjoyed the way Gurinder Chadha did that it “What’s Cooking.”

Please don’t floor us with your next post on Nair’s oeuvre by gushing about the finer subtleties and kernels of beauty in “Hysterical Blindness.” If that happens, I just might need a defibrillator.

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By: Huey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/11/mira_nairs_the/comment-page-1/#comment-188204 Huey Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:02:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4957#comment-188204 <p>I remember that the movie didn't get many good reviews because none of the actors were of Cuban descent. If Mira Nair was able to cast Andy Garcia perhaps, the reviews may have been better.</p> I remember that the movie didn’t get many good reviews because none of the actors were of Cuban descent. If Mira Nair was able to cast Andy Garcia perhaps, the reviews may have been better.

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