Comments on: Malaysian Protest Theater http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: V.V. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-287942 V.V. Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:24:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-287942 <p>Thanks, Sameer. Those comments were made a long time after the rest of the thread and we missed them, but you're right, and they were deleted.</p> Thanks, Sameer. Those comments were made a long time after the rest of the thread and we missed them, but you’re right, and they were deleted.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-270574 Sameer Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:10:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-270574 <p>I am surprised that the last two posts with the foul language were allowed. Let's discuss this topic calmly and civilly.</p> I am surprised that the last two posts with the foul language were allowed. Let’s discuss this topic calmly and civilly.

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By: Seelan Palay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-188179 Seelan Palay Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:13:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-188179 <p>Glad to know you guys are getting good coverage and sharing it with the international community! Way to go, Preston & Vasugi!</p> Glad to know you guys are getting good coverage and sharing it with the international community! Way to go, Preston & Vasugi!

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By: mirabilis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-187199 mirabilis Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:24:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-187199 <p>Indians in Malaysia should seek to publicise their plight in international fora and media. It is extremely unwise to rely on India or Tamil Nadu politicians to take Malaysia to task. That strengthens the hand of malay supremacists who feel even more justified in their 'balek india/cina'(back to india/china) taunts. The irony being of course that many, many malays are recent immigrants themselves from the indonesian archipelago!</p> Indians in Malaysia should seek to publicise their plight in international fora and media. It is extremely unwise to rely on India or Tamil Nadu politicians to take Malaysia to task. That strengthens the hand of malay supremacists who feel even more justified in their ‘balek india/cina’(back to india/china) taunts. The irony being of course that many, many malays are recent immigrants themselves from the indonesian archipelago!

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By: brownelf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-187179 brownelf Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:07:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-187179 <p>DizzyDesi:</p> <blockquote>If we are talking of things India can do but won't I prefer the idea the GOI sending a boats over to test out some of that fancy hardware we keep hearing about. </blockquote> <p>You can't be serious? I should probably just assume you are speaking tongue-in-cheek and move on, but I have trouble moving on from such dangerous ideas even when they're supposedly jokes -- actually, especially when they're supposedly jokes, because there's nothing really funny about "preferring" the idea of one country bombing another. Not to mention the undelicious irony of the wish: you want India to bomb Malaysia to protect ethnic Indians there? You mean like the US bombed Iraq to protect Iraqis? We all know what a success that's been.</p> <p>Let's not bandy these threats about flippantly. If nothing else, it distracts from the types of action that can and should be taken. No other country -- let alone the UN -- has put any significant diplomatic pressure on Malaysia to end its racial politics and give all its citizens equal rights.</p> DizzyDesi:

If we are talking of things India can do but won’t I prefer the idea the GOI sending a boats over to test out some of that fancy hardware we keep hearing about.

You can’t be serious? I should probably just assume you are speaking tongue-in-cheek and move on, but I have trouble moving on from such dangerous ideas even when they’re supposedly jokes — actually, especially when they’re supposedly jokes, because there’s nothing really funny about “preferring” the idea of one country bombing another. Not to mention the undelicious irony of the wish: you want India to bomb Malaysia to protect ethnic Indians there? You mean like the US bombed Iraq to protect Iraqis? We all know what a success that’s been.

Let’s not bandy these threats about flippantly. If nothing else, it distracts from the types of action that can and should be taken. No other country — let alone the UN — has put any significant diplomatic pressure on Malaysia to end its racial politics and give all its citizens equal rights.

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By: DizzyDesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-187127 DizzyDesi Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:26:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-187127 <blockquote>What drives the Malay economy beyond the oil/gas sector? They pay decent salaries in the IT sector to recruit foreigners. Nothing causes reform like an effective economic boycott.</blockquote> <p>Agricultural products -- It was the mainstay of their economy once upon a time but its percentage of the economy has waned a lot. One thing Malaysia has been sensitive about for a long time is how India treats Palm Oil imports from Malaysia -- we are its biggest customer by far. So India does have some influence.</p> <p>But realistically, given our Dhimmi govt, any talk of an economic boycott is fanciful . In fact the Malaysian leaders have praised the Gov't of India on its stance so far. If we are talking of things India can do but won't I prefer the idea the GOI sending a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos">boats</a> over to test out some of that fancy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos">hardware we keep hearing about</a></p> What drives the Malay economy beyond the oil/gas sector? They pay decent salaries in the IT sector to recruit foreigners. Nothing causes reform like an effective economic boycott.

Agricultural products — It was the mainstay of their economy once upon a time but its percentage of the economy has waned a lot. One thing Malaysia has been sensitive about for a long time is how India treats Palm Oil imports from Malaysia — we are its biggest customer by far. So India does have some influence.

But realistically, given our Dhimmi govt, any talk of an economic boycott is fanciful . In fact the Malaysian leaders have praised the Gov’t of India on its stance so far. If we are talking of things India can do but won’t I prefer the idea the GOI sending a boats over to test out some of that fancy hardware we keep hearing about

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By: mirabilis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-186979 mirabilis Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:18:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-186979 <p>http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/846/37/</p> <p>This should be interesting : Gandhigiri on Feb 16 when 10 000 malaysian indians plan to gift roses to the country's premier and awaken his compassion for their plight.</p> http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/846/37/

This should be interesting : Gandhigiri on Feb 16 when 10 000 malaysian indians plan to gift roses to the country’s premier and awaken his compassion for their plight.

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By: Khilari http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-186970 Khilari Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:48:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-186970 <p>"The world is content to let Sri Lanka burn and leave its economy in a shambles, why should Malaysia be very different? Unless it ends up having some ripple effect through SE Asia."</p> <p>Don't you mean "India is content to let Sri Lanka burn and leave its economy in a shambles"? Afterall, India did arm, train and fund the LTTE and politicians from its southern state of Tamil Nadu continue to voice support for the banned organisation and smuggling of arms and ammunition continues to occur. This is a country that now wants a seat in the Security Council at the UN. BTW, Sri Lanka's economy whilst not the best it could be, is hardly in "shambles", infact it has been growing at the rate of 6-7% per year, the country entered the group of middle-income countries 2 years ago (to compare, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are still low-income economies), and its people have the highest per capita incomes in South Asia. But of course when you have a war that's what usually makes the front pages.</p> “The world is content to let Sri Lanka burn and leave its economy in a shambles, why should Malaysia be very different? Unless it ends up having some ripple effect through SE Asia.”

Don’t you mean “India is content to let Sri Lanka burn and leave its economy in a shambles”? Afterall, India did arm, train and fund the LTTE and politicians from its southern state of Tamil Nadu continue to voice support for the banned organisation and smuggling of arms and ammunition continues to occur. This is a country that now wants a seat in the Security Council at the UN. BTW, Sri Lanka’s economy whilst not the best it could be, is hardly in “shambles”, infact it has been growing at the rate of 6-7% per year, the country entered the group of middle-income countries 2 years ago (to compare, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are still low-income economies), and its people have the highest per capita incomes in South Asia. But of course when you have a war that’s what usually makes the front pages.

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By: mirabilis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-186956 mirabilis Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:37:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-186956 <p>There seems to be an impression amongst the readers here that this latest protest was organised by Hindraf; it was in fact organised by a multiracial anti-ISA group. It is a pity that the pics here do not portray a wider cast of participants. There are many chinese malaysians who feel as (politically) disenfranchised as the Indians. Malay-muslim malaysians in the opposition do feel shortchanged by the 'UMNOputras', their pejorative term for the ruling malaymuslim and <i>Indian-muslim </i>elites.</p> <p>The Malaysian mainstream media, like its Singapore counterparts, is heavily government controlled and censored.Almost all the media coverage after the November rallies - Bersih, Hindraf- were 99% slanted to the official viewpoint. Many malaysians rely on the internet blogs - Malaysiakini (check out their videos on youtube) and Malaysia today - for better and more critical news coverage. There was even a flash mob last weekend at the KLCC to dump msm newspapers into rubbishbins, to give you an idea of how much some malaysians trust their msm. See this blog by a malay-indian lawyer activist : http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/hartal-boycott-the-lying-newspapers/ Since the Hindraf rally, the international media has been highlighting malaysian issues with a greater awareness of the problems there. That is for the good as Malaysia is sensitive to international opinion as it has deliberately set out to portray itself as a leading, <i>progressive</i> and moderate muslim nation, even one with high civilisational aspirations a la <i>Islam Hadhdari</i>.</p> <p>I would agree with brownelf that what goes on in Malaysia deserves the apartheid tag. As a Singaporean I worry about Malaysia as chaos there would have an immediate impact on my natioan state - we were a single country once afterall! The very restive southern Thailand provinces would also be affected as the muslim terrorists there - sorry to be so blunt but what else do you call those who would behead novice monks, torch schools and kill over 2000 people in the last couple of years?- gain sustenance, sanctuary and support from their malay-muslim cohorts over the border. The east malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak play hosts to all sorts of illegal migrants and miscreants from the screwed up southern Philippino muslim insurgency.</p> There seems to be an impression amongst the readers here that this latest protest was organised by Hindraf; it was in fact organised by a multiracial anti-ISA group. It is a pity that the pics here do not portray a wider cast of participants. There are many chinese malaysians who feel as (politically) disenfranchised as the Indians. Malay-muslim malaysians in the opposition do feel shortchanged by the ‘UMNOputras’, their pejorative term for the ruling malaymuslim and Indian-muslim elites.

The Malaysian mainstream media, like its Singapore counterparts, is heavily government controlled and censored.Almost all the media coverage after the November rallies – Bersih, Hindraf- were 99% slanted to the official viewpoint. Many malaysians rely on the internet blogs – Malaysiakini (check out their videos on youtube) and Malaysia today – for better and more critical news coverage. There was even a flash mob last weekend at the KLCC to dump msm newspapers into rubbishbins, to give you an idea of how much some malaysians trust their msm. See this blog by a malay-indian lawyer activist : http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/hartal-boycott-the-lying-newspapers/ Since the Hindraf rally, the international media has been highlighting malaysian issues with a greater awareness of the problems there. That is for the good as Malaysia is sensitive to international opinion as it has deliberately set out to portray itself as a leading, progressive and moderate muslim nation, even one with high civilisational aspirations a la Islam Hadhdari.

I would agree with brownelf that what goes on in Malaysia deserves the apartheid tag. As a Singaporean I worry about Malaysia as chaos there would have an immediate impact on my natioan state – we were a single country once afterall! The very restive southern Thailand provinces would also be affected as the muslim terrorists there – sorry to be so blunt but what else do you call those who would behead novice monks, torch schools and kill over 2000 people in the last couple of years?- gain sustenance, sanctuary and support from their malay-muslim cohorts over the border. The east malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak play hosts to all sorts of illegal migrants and miscreants from the screwed up southern Philippino muslim insurgency.

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By: Preston Merchant http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/05/malaysian_prote/comment-page-1/#comment-186933 Preston Merchant Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:55:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4944#comment-186933 <p>As far as police actions go, this one was unremarkable, so there was very little news coverage. It did merit a short piece in the IHT:</p> <p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/05/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-Protest.php">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/05/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-Protest.php</a></p> As far as police actions go, this one was unremarkable, so there was very little news coverage. It did merit a short piece in the IHT:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/05/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-Protest.php

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