Comments on: Singapore Days, Part I http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: fpts http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-233557 fpts Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:07:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-233557 <p><b>BLOG POSTING regarding Singapore's Family Run Marketing Spin:</b></p> <p><b>http://fullpowertotheshields.blogspot.com/2009/03/singapore-family-dictatorship-with.html</b></p> BLOG POSTING regarding Singapore’s Family Run Marketing Spin:

http://fullpowertotheshields.blogspot.com/2009/03/singapore-family-dictatorship-with.html

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By: Danny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186809 Danny Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:45:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186809 <p>Singapore is no better than Malaysia when it comes to discriminating against Indians. It's just that there are no OFFICIAL policies that do that, but it happens quite openly.</p> Singapore is no better than Malaysia when it comes to discriminating against Indians. It’s just that there are no OFFICIAL policies that do that, but it happens quite openly.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186505 Amitabh Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:11:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186505 <blockquote>My impression is that the equality is somewhat superficial; the same racial divisions and prejudices exist, but they're informal, unspoken and wallpapered over by official policy. A friend resented it so much that she left to come to the west.</blockquote> <p>There is an important difference...Malaysia is majority Malay...whereas Singapore is majority Chinese. Indians are about 10% (or slightly less) of both.</p> <blockquote>friends and relatives (who have visited the place) describe some portions of that country are like a "sanitized, cleaner version of India". </blockquote> <p>I can vouch for one thing...you can get excellent Tamil food in Singapore.</p> My impression is that the equality is somewhat superficial; the same racial divisions and prejudices exist, but they’re informal, unspoken and wallpapered over by official policy. A friend resented it so much that she left to come to the west.

There is an important difference…Malaysia is majority Malay…whereas Singapore is majority Chinese. Indians are about 10% (or slightly less) of both.

friends and relatives (who have visited the place) describe some portions of that country are like a “sanitized, cleaner version of India”.

I can vouch for one thing…you can get excellent Tamil food in Singapore.

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186502 gm Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:43:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186502 <p>Brilliant photographs! Your amazing photos and post make me wish I could visit Singapore.</p> <p>Although I have never been to Singapore, friends and relatives (who have visited the place) describe some portions of that country are like a "sanitized, cleaner version of India".</p> Brilliant photographs! Your amazing photos and post make me wish I could visit Singapore.

Although I have never been to Singapore, friends and relatives (who have visited the place) describe some portions of that country are like a “sanitized, cleaner version of India”.

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By: retorts http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186458 retorts Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:16:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186458 <blockquote>Singapore tries to advocate a secular, equal society (of course this isn't always possible)</blockquote> <p>My impression is that the equality is somewhat superficial; the same racial divisions and prejudices exist, but they're informal, unspoken and wallpapered over by official policy. A friend resented it so much that she left to come to the west.</p> <p>I visited once and was struck by how underdeveloped the 'brown' area (around Mustafa's) was compared to other parts of the city which seemed overwhelmingly chinese in makeup...it seemed that there was significant socioeconomic stratification along racial lines</p> <p>Singapore definitely has serious flaws but looking across the way at Malaysia shows you how much worse it could have been...extending that, look at Sri Lanka, a country that was ahead of Sgp/Sk/Taiwan 50 years ago in every category...imagine how things could have been had its leaders adopted a more secular, egalitarian outlook on independence rather than a divisive, vindictive one?</p> Singapore tries to advocate a secular, equal society (of course this isn’t always possible)

My impression is that the equality is somewhat superficial; the same racial divisions and prejudices exist, but they’re informal, unspoken and wallpapered over by official policy. A friend resented it so much that she left to come to the west.

I visited once and was struck by how underdeveloped the ‘brown’ area (around Mustafa’s) was compared to other parts of the city which seemed overwhelmingly chinese in makeup…it seemed that there was significant socioeconomic stratification along racial lines

Singapore definitely has serious flaws but looking across the way at Malaysia shows you how much worse it could have been…extending that, look at Sri Lanka, a country that was ahead of Sgp/Sk/Taiwan 50 years ago in every category…imagine how things could have been had its leaders adopted a more secular, egalitarian outlook on independence rather than a divisive, vindictive one?

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By: newyorker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186455 newyorker Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:59:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186455 <p><i>3 · <B>V V Varaiya</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004937.html#comment186111">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Singapore is a brutal dictatorship. In addition to suppressing political dissent, thegovernment actively participates in ethnic manipulation. For example, neighborhoodsare always planned so Indians comprise no more than 25% of an apartment complex. TheStrait Times is propaganda mouthpiece of the corrupt regime of Lew Kuan Yew. As inMalaysia, there is a great deal prejudice against Indians in Singapore. Read a bit from a http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/ Search google with Singapore dictatorship. </blockquote> <p>The reason why there is quota in public housing in Singapore has nothing to do with keeping minorities down - in fact it is the opposite. When Singapore became independent from Malaya, there were a lot of racial riots in the country. Races lived in their own communities and were segregated. As a measure to decrease racial tensions, the government required a quota based system for government housing. This is based on the breakdown of race demographics within the country. Indians only compromise about 8-9% of the population.</p> <p>Malaysia's problems with Indian minorities is very different than Singapore's. Singapore tries to advocate a secular, equal society (of course this isn't always possible). Malaysia has always put Malay's rights above other minorities, which is one reason why Indians are fighting back in the country.</p> 3 · V V Varaiya said

Singapore is a brutal dictatorship. In addition to suppressing political dissent, thegovernment actively participates in ethnic manipulation. For example, neighborhoodsare always planned so Indians comprise no more than 25% of an apartment complex. TheStrait Times is propaganda mouthpiece of the corrupt regime of Lew Kuan Yew. As inMalaysia, there is a great deal prejudice against Indians in Singapore. Read a bit from a http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/ Search google with Singapore dictatorship.

The reason why there is quota in public housing in Singapore has nothing to do with keeping minorities down – in fact it is the opposite. When Singapore became independent from Malaya, there were a lot of racial riots in the country. Races lived in their own communities and were segregated. As a measure to decrease racial tensions, the government required a quota based system for government housing. This is based on the breakdown of race demographics within the country. Indians only compromise about 8-9% of the population.

Malaysia’s problems with Indian minorities is very different than Singapore’s. Singapore tries to advocate a secular, equal society (of course this isn’t always possible). Malaysia has always put Malay’s rights above other minorities, which is one reason why Indians are fighting back in the country.

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By: Roopa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186427 Roopa Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:06:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186427 <p>Hey, Preston: So good to see your blog entry and photographs. I remember travelling in the region as a child, with a week in Singapore. I was 10, but listened as my teenage siblings got increasingly exasperated and got into vociferous arguments with pals there around their general passiveness (remember, we were coming straight from good ol' anarchic India.) HOwever, we couldn't help but be impressed by the sense of order and neatness of the place. We rounded off the trip with a couple of weeks in Malaysia, where chaos is pretty close the surface, but the bhoomiputra approach made representation a moot point for people of India origin. Hope you'll tell us more about Seelan Palay some time. Lovely pix, as usual!</p> Hey, Preston: So good to see your blog entry and photographs. I remember travelling in the region as a child, with a week in Singapore. I was 10, but listened as my teenage siblings got increasingly exasperated and got into vociferous arguments with pals there around their general passiveness (remember, we were coming straight from good ol’ anarchic India.) HOwever, we couldn’t help but be impressed by the sense of order and neatness of the place. We rounded off the trip with a couple of weeks in Malaysia, where chaos is pretty close the surface, but the bhoomiputra approach made representation a moot point for people of India origin. Hope you’ll tell us more about Seelan Palay some time. Lovely pix, as usual!

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186426 Ponniyin Selvan Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:59:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186426 <blockquote> i'd be curious tho' how they created these brilliant blues and pinks in the (relatively) older times. paintmaking is a pretty deep science. making a paint that would stick to stone and be resilient against heavy rains and the Indian/mediterranean sun is no trivial task.</blockquote> <p>I don't think people have found that out yet, atleast in India. A guide told me at the 1500 year old Kailasanathar temple in Kanchipuram (see the picture in the link) that it has not been figured out what is used to color the sculptures. So the sculptures are deteriorating, it's a pity.</p> <p>http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1399097829074389251zrIxba <a href="http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1399097829074389251zrIxba"> link </a></p> i’d be curious tho’ how they created these brilliant blues and pinks in the (relatively) older times. paintmaking is a pretty deep science. making a paint that would stick to stone and be resilient against heavy rains and the Indian/mediterranean sun is no trivial task.

I don’t think people have found that out yet, atleast in India. A guide told me at the 1500 year old Kailasanathar temple in Kanchipuram (see the picture in the link) that it has not been figured out what is used to color the sculptures. So the sculptures are deteriorating, it’s a pity.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1399097829074389251zrIxba link

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By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186277 bess Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:37:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186277 <p>khoofia, was it toast topped with purple star thistle honey? Now that would be quaint and mystical.</p> khoofia, was it toast topped with purple star thistle honey? Now that would be quaint and mystical.

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By: khoofia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/03/singapore_days/comment-page-1/#comment-186274 khoofia Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:20:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4937#comment-186274 <p><i>11 · <B>bess</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004937.html#comment186148">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>p.s. an <A href="http://chicagolife.elevatedrails.com/content/travel/Ancient_Paint_The_Colors_on_Egypts_Temple_Walls_Endure_the_Ages" rel=nofollow>article</A> for khoofia about the ancient Egyptians paint techniques </blockquote> <p>thanks bess. i oved the description here. i fee quite smart aready and wi reproduce for genera consumption.</p> <blockquote>The ancient Egyptian artist used six colors: black, white, red, green, yellow and blue. The pigments, ground with a pestle, were mixed with water and glue, gum or egg as a binding agent. Each color had a symbolic meaning, and the gods were often depicted with different skin colors. Black, representative of death and night, was derived from carbon compounds like charcoal and soot. White, a reference to omnipotence and purity, was created from chalk and gypsum. Artists mixed red, a symbol of life, victory, anger and fire, by combining naturally oxidized iron and red ochre. Green, symbolic of vegetation and new life, was created by mixing oxides of copper and iron with silica and calcium or derived from malachite. Natural ochre, oxides and orpiment (arsenic trisulfide) were all used to make yellow, like the sun and gold, eternal and indestructible. Blue, symbolic of the sky and water and used to reference the Nile, is often visible on temple ceilings. Artists created blue paint by mixing iron and copper oxides with silica and calcium.</blockquote> 11 · bess said

p.s. an article for khoofia about the ancient Egyptians paint techniques

thanks bess. i oved the description here. i fee quite smart aready and wi reproduce for genera consumption.

The ancient Egyptian artist used six colors: black, white, red, green, yellow and blue. The pigments, ground with a pestle, were mixed with water and glue, gum or egg as a binding agent. Each color had a symbolic meaning, and the gods were often depicted with different skin colors. Black, representative of death and night, was derived from carbon compounds like charcoal and soot. White, a reference to omnipotence and purity, was created from chalk and gypsum. Artists mixed red, a symbol of life, victory, anger and fire, by combining naturally oxidized iron and red ochre. Green, symbolic of vegetation and new life, was created by mixing oxides of copper and iron with silica and calcium or derived from malachite. Natural ochre, oxides and orpiment (arsenic trisulfide) were all used to make yellow, like the sun and gold, eternal and indestructible. Blue, symbolic of the sky and water and used to reference the Nile, is often visible on temple ceilings. Artists created blue paint by mixing iron and copper oxides with silica and calcium.
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