Comments on: Arsonist Grandfather Murders Family, Leaves Dozens Homeless in Chicago http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ray http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-204075 Ray Thu, 22 May 2008 17:01:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-204075 <p>New England Journal of Medicine Volume 358:2201-220 May 22, 2008 Number 21 Driven to a Fiery Death The Tragedy of Self-Immolation</p> <p>http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/21/2201</p> New England Journal of Medicine Volume 358:2201-220 May 22, 2008 Number 21 Driven to a Fiery Death The Tragedy of Self-Immolation

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/21/2201

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By: $2000.00 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186649 $2000.00 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:52:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186649 <blockquote><b>I think that this type of behavior in the Indian community is the norm </b>when their children go against wishes. I read stoires all the time about this and am starting to believe that We shuold not let these people immigrate to US!!!I have a friend in a relationship with an Indian man (physician) and his mother and family has told them that they will kill one of them (she is American a DR also) if they see each other or get married. they even have a child which the family refuses to aknowledge. This is a sad culture and not one that I think belongs in a free country!!!</blockquote> <p>Mimi, actually MURDER of family is not the norm in the Indian community. Ex-communicating a member from the family - maybe, never speaking to one's child again - maybe, threats of murder - maybe. But actual murder of a family member? No that's not the norm.</p> <p>I read somewhere that Australia or France (or both?) had plans to implement a sort of cultural training program for foreigners who sought immigration to their country (the article spoke specifically about middle eastern muslim immigrants) so that those people, after understanding the cultural norms they would be expected to accept and conform to, could decide if they really wanted to move there or not. Appearantly either one or both of those countries have had some very serious issues with foreigners conforming to not only the cultural norms of their country but conforming to the laws as well, and it had to do of course with women and relations between genders (who would've thought?) I think perhaps something like that would be good for USA to implement in order that people who come from cultural backgrounds that are vastly different from this one can understand what they are getting into, and decide if they will be able to adjust or not.</p> <p>I also don't think it's a bad idea for India to implement the same. Afterall, an Isreali couple had legal action taken against them for kissing at their wedding in an Indian temple. So some sort of preparation may be needed for immigrants and even tourists to understand what sort of behaviour vibes with any given country or culture that they go to.</p> <p>If the ethos, ethics, laws or overall vibe of a culture does not suit you and you think either it's freedom or repression will pose problems for you and your family further down the line, well, there are literally hundreds of other countries to choose from.</p> I think that this type of behavior in the Indian community is the norm when their children go against wishes. I read stoires all the time about this and am starting to believe that We shuold not let these people immigrate to US!!!I have a friend in a relationship with an Indian man (physician) and his mother and family has told them that they will kill one of them (she is American a DR also) if they see each other or get married. they even have a child which the family refuses to aknowledge. This is a sad culture and not one that I think belongs in a free country!!!

Mimi, actually MURDER of family is not the norm in the Indian community. Ex-communicating a member from the family – maybe, never speaking to one’s child again – maybe, threats of murder – maybe. But actual murder of a family member? No that’s not the norm.

I read somewhere that Australia or France (or both?) had plans to implement a sort of cultural training program for foreigners who sought immigration to their country (the article spoke specifically about middle eastern muslim immigrants) so that those people, after understanding the cultural norms they would be expected to accept and conform to, could decide if they really wanted to move there or not. Appearantly either one or both of those countries have had some very serious issues with foreigners conforming to not only the cultural norms of their country but conforming to the laws as well, and it had to do of course with women and relations between genders (who would’ve thought?) I think perhaps something like that would be good for USA to implement in order that people who come from cultural backgrounds that are vastly different from this one can understand what they are getting into, and decide if they will be able to adjust or not.

I also don’t think it’s a bad idea for India to implement the same. Afterall, an Isreali couple had legal action taken against them for kissing at their wedding in an Indian temple. So some sort of preparation may be needed for immigrants and even tourists to understand what sort of behaviour vibes with any given country or culture that they go to.

If the ethos, ethics, laws or overall vibe of a culture does not suit you and you think either it’s freedom or repression will pose problems for you and your family further down the line, well, there are literally hundreds of other countries to choose from.

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By: mimi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186593 mimi Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:57:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186593 <p>I think that this type of behavior in the Indian community is the norm when their children go against wishes. I read stoires all the time about this and am starting to believe that We shuold not let these people immigrate to US!!!I have a friend in a relationship with an Indian man (physician) and his mother and family has told them that they will kill one of them (she is American a DR also) if they see each other or get married. they even have a child which the family refuses to aknowledge. This is a sad culture and not one that I think belongs in a free country!!!</p> I think that this type of behavior in the Indian community is the norm when their children go against wishes. I read stoires all the time about this and am starting to believe that We shuold not let these people immigrate to US!!!I have a friend in a relationship with an Indian man (physician) and his mother and family has told them that they will kill one of them (she is American a DR also) if they see each other or get married. they even have a child which the family refuses to aknowledge. This is a sad culture and not one that I think belongs in a free country!!!

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By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186479 SM Intern Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:30:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186479 <p><i>140 . <b><a href="http://www.bluntinstrument.net">Salil Maniktahla</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004931.html#comment186381">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>And you look like a jackass. WTF?</blockquote> <p>Agreed. Karl (a.k.a. "Dev" and "Dhoni"), enjoy being banned.</p> 140 . Salil Maniktahla said

And you look like a jackass. WTF?

Agreed. Karl (a.k.a. “Dev” and “Dhoni”), enjoy being banned.

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By: $2000.00 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186466 $2000.00 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:00:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186466 <p>My point being above, even though I spoke of self-immolation, is that there is a long history of death by burning and I think a pyschological connection/identification with fire. Agnideva notwithstanding.</p> My point being above, even though I spoke of self-immolation, is that there is a long history of death by burning and I think a pyschological connection/identification with fire. Agnideva notwithstanding.

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By: $2000.00 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186465 $2000.00 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:57:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186465 <p>Actually, India has a long history with immolation of self.</p> <p>There are many stories of saints who immolate themselves by dint of their own mystic potency. The fire of tapa or repentence burns within their chitta (consciousness) and gets so hot and fierce that their bodies catch on fire. Then of course there is the ancient story of Sati (a name for Parvati, wife of Mahadeva Shiva) who sat down in meditation and started a mystic fire within herself and burned because she had to hear offense of her husband from from Daksha, her father. That is how she got the name "Sati" and I think the "sati tradition" took off from that. But note, she herself willed that death by fire via her mystic power, no light was matched. Then you have stories like Madri, one of the wives of Pandu who willingly walked onto her husbands funeral pyre. The other wife Kunti, did not. One of them had to stay beyond to lead the royal family, so Madri volunteered to do "sati".</p> <p>Anyway, there are so many stories dealing with willing death by fire in India, it's referenced in poetry as well, such as;</p> <p>Oh Prananath! If you do not return soon Your slave will immolate her body When her heart is already burning Why spare the limbs?</p> Actually, India has a long history with immolation of self.

There are many stories of saints who immolate themselves by dint of their own mystic potency. The fire of tapa or repentence burns within their chitta (consciousness) and gets so hot and fierce that their bodies catch on fire. Then of course there is the ancient story of Sati (a name for Parvati, wife of Mahadeva Shiva) who sat down in meditation and started a mystic fire within herself and burned because she had to hear offense of her husband from from Daksha, her father. That is how she got the name “Sati” and I think the “sati tradition” took off from that. But note, she herself willed that death by fire via her mystic power, no light was matched. Then you have stories like Madri, one of the wives of Pandu who willingly walked onto her husbands funeral pyre. The other wife Kunti, did not. One of them had to stay beyond to lead the royal family, so Madri volunteered to do “sati”.

Anyway, there are so many stories dealing with willing death by fire in India, it’s referenced in poetry as well, such as;

Oh Prananath! If you do not return soon Your slave will immolate her body When her heart is already burning Why spare the limbs?

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186381 Salil Maniktahla Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:00:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186381 <p><i>139 · <B>Karl</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004931.html#comment186276">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Just imagine what Mr. Chander would've done if his daughter has married a black man!! Wow!! Ummm, Mr Chander looks like a black man himself</blockquote> <p>And you look like a jackass. WTF?</p> 139 · Karl said

Just imagine what Mr. Chander would’ve done if his daughter has married a black man!! Wow!! Ummm, Mr Chander looks like a black man himself

And you look like a jackass. WTF?

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By: Karl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186276 Karl Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:33:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186276 <blockquote>Just imagine what Mr. Chander would've done if his daughter has married a black man!! Wow!!</blockquote> <p>Ummm, Mr Chander looks like a black man himself</p> Just imagine what Mr. Chander would’ve done if his daughter has married a black man!! Wow!!

Ummm, Mr Chander looks like a black man himself

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By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186270 nala Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:03:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186270 <blockquote>Unless you know of some study, it just kindof seems your words just try and provoke w/o offering anything substantial.</blockquote> <p>That, my friend, is the definition of a troll. :) As you'll learn from Dhoni/Prema/Dev, brown people (especially Indians and Hindus) SUCK and are absolutely barbaric and an inferior race who are under the false impression that they're humans, not savages.</p> Unless you know of some study, it just kindof seems your words just try and provoke w/o offering anything substantial.

That, my friend, is the definition of a troll. :) As you’ll learn from Dhoni/Prema/Dev, brown people (especially Indians and Hindus) SUCK and are absolutely barbaric and an inferior race who are under the false impression that they’re humans, not savages.

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By: $2000.00 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/01/02/arsonist_grandf_1/comment-page-3/#comment-186262 $2000.00 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:33:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4931#comment-186262 <blockquote>Thanks $2000 for the psycho gibberish. It puts things in perspective. Squandering money on modern witch doctors is not a solution to problems affecting the community.</blockquote> <p>Modern witch doctors?</p> <p>Such as?</p> Thanks $2000 for the psycho gibberish. It puts things in perspective. Squandering money on modern witch doctors is not a solution to problems affecting the community.

Modern witch doctors?

Such as?

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