Comments on: Children in UP Manipulated in to Discriminating Against a Dalit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184558 SM Intern Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:54:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184558 <p>I gave a warning, so we would not need to close this thread. Many of the people who indicated their interest in this story by voting on it haven't had the opportunity to read it yet.</p> <p>Your urge to be petty and unfair exceeded your ability to control yourselves and behave courteously. Time to close, though it is unfair that a few determined hecklers ruined it for all.</p> I gave a warning, so we would not need to close this thread. Many of the people who indicated their interest in this story by voting on it haven’t had the opportunity to read it yet.

Your urge to be petty and unfair exceeded your ability to control yourselves and behave courteously. Time to close, though it is unfair that a few determined hecklers ruined it for all.

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By: weaselplasty http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184557 weaselplasty Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:49:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184557 <p>someone @ 85: iraq fair game? really? and india's stake is?</p> <p>what i'm driving at is the unfortunate dead end we find ourselves at when we're not having a fruitful dialogue on ills, woes and solutions.we're all in each others mess - for better or worse - and whatever connection we maintain with the motherland is done out of sincere interest for the well being of all within (including those we're not qualified to discuss.)</p> someone @ 85: iraq fair game? really? and india’s stake is?

what i’m driving at is the unfortunate dead end we find ourselves at when we’re not having a fruitful dialogue on ills, woes and solutions.we’re all in each others mess – for better or worse – and whatever connection we maintain with the motherland is done out of sincere interest for the well being of all within (including those we’re not qualified to discuss.)

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By: spidy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184556 spidy Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:46:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184556 <p>JGandhi I would imagine that with increased wealth creation oppurtunities in India, people would be foolish to waste their energy in propogating or heeding to caste divisions.</p> <p>You are correct in that lower castes lend themselves to opression primarily because inspite of a large headcount, they are economic underweights, similar to what India was a few decades back. Things are changing now and the reasons are not philantrophic or social, but economic. There is a nice parallel of how Indians have been and are currently perceived in the world order, and in the Indian caste scenario.</p> JGandhi I would imagine that with increased wealth creation oppurtunities in India, people would be foolish to waste their energy in propogating or heeding to caste divisions.

You are correct in that lower castes lend themselves to opression primarily because inspite of a large headcount, they are economic underweights, similar to what India was a few decades back. Things are changing now and the reasons are not philantrophic or social, but economic. There is a nice parallel of how Indians have been and are currently perceived in the world order, and in the Indian caste scenario.

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By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184554 nala Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:42:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184554 <blockquote>perhaps, but appeal to the class of birth as opposed to the class of attainment are weak tea and the refuge of the desperate ;-)</blockquote> <p>when it comes to high-caste poor people in india, it is desperate, but that desperation is also partly b/c they simply don't have as many means to attainment as they optimally would.</p> perhaps, but appeal to the class of birth as opposed to the class of attainment are weak tea and the refuge of the desperate ;-)

when it comes to high-caste poor people in india, it is desperate, but that desperation is also partly b/c they simply don’t have as many means to attainment as they optimally would.

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By: Punbaji Böi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184552 Punbaji Böi Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:39:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184552 <p>Karthik,</p> <p>"Although I agree that it looks mundane, the aspect that caught my eye is the fact that we are talking about kids, kids who are supposed to be pure and unbiased. That changes everything."</p> <p>If kids "who are supposed to be pure and unbiased" were left without adult supervision, even in Freedomland USA, you wouldn't have even hospitals to deal with the situation. Kids in their feral state are monsters and it takes years of schooling and parenting to get them to not beat each other to death (boys) or drive each other to suicide (girls). I'd always prefer collegiate adults to sophomoric children. For every one Dick Cheney in adulthood, there are a thousand kids who entertain themselves setting fire to live cats and dogs.</p> Karthik,

“Although I agree that it looks mundane, the aspect that caught my eye is the fact that we are talking about kids, kids who are supposed to be pure and unbiased. That changes everything.”

If kids “who are supposed to be pure and unbiased” were left without adult supervision, even in Freedomland USA, you wouldn’t have even hospitals to deal with the situation. Kids in their feral state are monsters and it takes years of schooling and parenting to get them to not beat each other to death (boys) or drive each other to suicide (girls). I’d always prefer collegiate adults to sophomoric children. For every one Dick Cheney in adulthood, there are a thousand kids who entertain themselves setting fire to live cats and dogs.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184549 Rahul Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:36:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184549 <blockquote>FYI, America invading Iraq is an international matter, howmuchever Americans may wish to convey the impression that Iraq has always been a state of the union.</blockquote> <p>Only Americans, Iraqis, and actual deployed soldiers belonging to the coalition of the willing are allowed to talk about it.</p> FYI, America invading Iraq is an international matter, howmuchever Americans may wish to convey the impression that Iraq has always been a state of the union.

Only Americans, Iraqis, and actual deployed soldiers belonging to the coalition of the willing are allowed to talk about it.

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By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184550 nala Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:36:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184550 <blockquote>How is this a legitimate criticism? Why can't I make an equivalently ridiculous criticism - How can you comment on my understanding of the issue as an Indian living in America when you have spent all your life in India? If everybody can only talk about their own experience, there will be absolutely no basis to discuss a large number of issues. Dismissing somebody's criticisms purely because they haven't walked in your shoes is just another type of ad hominem argument. If you believe the person is misinformed or that their argument misrepresents the situation, that should be a simple enough point to make.</blockquote> <p>I mean that comparatively when it comes to the criticisms lobbed at ABDs that <B>Seahawks Fan</B> pointed out-'Go back to India!' vs. 'You don't know what it's like to live in India'-the former has no grounding and is simply racist, but the latter obviously has some grounding, because ABDs simply literally <I>don't</i> know what it's like to live in India. Frankly I just find this to be a ridiculous complaint, but then I'm someone who thinks that rich people should generally just live it up and while doing so, shut the f*ck up. This is not to say that ABDs aren't allowed to criticize anything about India, obviously they are, but some commenters felt that the perspective provided here is biased, especially when they were alleged to be a-OK with casteism. And let's not pretend that there aren't some really ignorant and frankly, racist, ABDs out there. I haven't spent my entire life in India BTW, more like 44% of it so far, though that percentage will most likely decrease as the years go by.</p> How is this a legitimate criticism? Why can’t I make an equivalently ridiculous criticism – How can you comment on my understanding of the issue as an Indian living in America when you have spent all your life in India? If everybody can only talk about their own experience, there will be absolutely no basis to discuss a large number of issues. Dismissing somebody’s criticisms purely because they haven’t walked in your shoes is just another type of ad hominem argument. If you believe the person is misinformed or that their argument misrepresents the situation, that should be a simple enough point to make.

I mean that comparatively when it comes to the criticisms lobbed at ABDs that Seahawks Fan pointed out-’Go back to India!’ vs. ‘You don’t know what it’s like to live in India’-the former has no grounding and is simply racist, but the latter obviously has some grounding, because ABDs simply literally don’t know what it’s like to live in India. Frankly I just find this to be a ridiculous complaint, but then I’m someone who thinks that rich people should generally just live it up and while doing so, shut the f*ck up. This is not to say that ABDs aren’t allowed to criticize anything about India, obviously they are, but some commenters felt that the perspective provided here is biased, especially when they were alleged to be a-OK with casteism. And let’s not pretend that there aren’t some really ignorant and frankly, racist, ABDs out there. I haven’t spent my entire life in India BTW, more like 44% of it so far, though that percentage will most likely decrease as the years go by.

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184548 razib Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:34:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184548 <p><i>. But I imagine that as wealth disparity increases in India (propelled by wealth creation), high-caste poor people will cling evermore tightly to their caste identities.</i></p> <p>perhaps, but appeal to the class of birth as opposed to the class of attainment are weak tea and the refuge of the desperate ;-)</p> . But I imagine that as wealth disparity increases in India (propelled by wealth creation), high-caste poor people will cling evermore tightly to their caste identities.

perhaps, but appeal to the class of birth as opposed to the class of attainment are weak tea and the refuge of the desperate ;-)

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By: someone http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184547 someone Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:33:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184547 <p>"but, in keeping to the fairness of your critique - hush on the whole iraq thing, eh? and for that matter, and foreign policy decision made from the states. this is in keeping with the whole qualifications and rights thing, natch."</p> <p>FYI, America invading Iraq is an international matter, howmuchever Americans may wish to convey the impression that Iraq has always been a state of the union.</p> “but, in keeping to the fairness of your critique – hush on the whole iraq thing, eh? and for that matter, and foreign policy decision made from the states. this is in keeping with the whole qualifications and rights thing, natch.”

FYI, America invading Iraq is an international matter, howmuchever Americans may wish to convey the impression that Iraq has always been a state of the union.

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By: weaselplasty http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/26/who_hearts_the/comment-page-2/#comment-184546 weaselplasty Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:29:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4917#comment-184546 <p><i>69 · <b>someone</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004917.html#comment184529">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>A slow news rolls around and Anna and company at SM troll the news for India articles. ABD's are simply not qualified and don't have the right to comment on Indian affairs. American sanctimonious preaching is irritating at best, dangerous at worst (see Iraq)... </blockquote> <p>congrats #69 for the comment of the day! you caught us. your witty exposé uncovered "anna and company's" secret ploy to troll teh news for the worst possible news on india.</p> <p>but, in keeping to the fairness of your critique - hush on the whole iraq thing, eh? and for that matter, and foreign policy decision made from the states. this is in keeping with the whole qualifications and rights thing, natch.</p> <p>anyway, puppies in the next post - let's do our best not to kick.</p> 69 · someone said

A slow news rolls around and Anna and company at SM troll the news for India articles. ABD’s are simply not qualified and don’t have the right to comment on Indian affairs. American sanctimonious preaching is irritating at best, dangerous at worst (see Iraq)…

congrats #69 for the comment of the day! you caught us. your witty exposé uncovered “anna and company’s” secret ploy to troll teh news for the worst possible news on india.

but, in keeping to the fairness of your critique – hush on the whole iraq thing, eh? and for that matter, and foreign policy decision made from the states. this is in keeping with the whole qualifications and rights thing, natch.

anyway, puppies in the next post – let’s do our best not to kick.

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