Comments on: India Then and Now… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-3/#comment-184412 Sonika Chaudhary Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:04:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184412 <p>OK just read the whole article. He's right, things have not changed all that much, and for the vast majority of people, things have not changed at all.</p> <p>It always amazes me when westerners protest "sweatshop" factories in places like India, as if the employees of such factories have air conditioning when they return home come evening!</p> <p>As long as a workplace is clean and safe, you won't find poor Indians who desperately need employment complaining. Air conditioning is not even on their minds in the first place, some don't even know what it is. That being said, if a multi-national can afford it, they should install it in their overseas factories. But then you would probably get the entire families of employees camping out there all day just to enjoy the benefits of temperature control, something those employees have never, and most likely will never, enjoy in their own homes.</p> <p>We Indians are expert at one thing; ADJUSTING.</p> <p>While westerners die without their ACs in hot weather, we simply adjust, adjust, adjust.</p> OK just read the whole article. He’s right, things have not changed all that much, and for the vast majority of people, things have not changed at all.

It always amazes me when westerners protest “sweatshop” factories in places like India, as if the employees of such factories have air conditioning when they return home come evening!

As long as a workplace is clean and safe, you won’t find poor Indians who desperately need employment complaining. Air conditioning is not even on their minds in the first place, some don’t even know what it is. That being said, if a multi-national can afford it, they should install it in their overseas factories. But then you would probably get the entire families of employees camping out there all day just to enjoy the benefits of temperature control, something those employees have never, and most likely will never, enjoy in their own homes.

We Indians are expert at one thing; ADJUSTING.

While westerners die without their ACs in hot weather, we simply adjust, adjust, adjust.

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By: Dev http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-3/#comment-184405 Dev Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:32:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184405 <p>Sonika: have you really read the article? This is what he says, that not much has changed in India. There is a lot hype.</p> <p>Dev</p> Sonika: have you really read the article? This is what he says, that not much has changed in India. There is a lot hype.

Dev

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184403 Sonika Chaudhary Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:53:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184403 <p>The only thing that has changed in small town and village India is the presence of cell phones. Other than that, it is much the same it was 10, 20, even 200 years ago in many cases.</p> <p>There is such a stark difference between metro and village life in India that you almost feel as if you are entering a different country when you arrive in one from the other.</p> <p>Villages are better at least on the cleanliness level. Small towns, or villages that are turning into towns are the absolute worst. There is no recovering from open sewers during the monsoon season when the streets are flooded with sewage up to your knees.</p> <p>So "India Then and Now" type of articles really only apply to a few metros. For the rest of us it's more like "India Then and Then".</p> The only thing that has changed in small town and village India is the presence of cell phones. Other than that, it is much the same it was 10, 20, even 200 years ago in many cases.

There is such a stark difference between metro and village life in India that you almost feel as if you are entering a different country when you arrive in one from the other.

Villages are better at least on the cleanliness level. Small towns, or villages that are turning into towns are the absolute worst. There is no recovering from open sewers during the monsoon season when the streets are flooded with sewage up to your knees.

So “India Then and Now” type of articles really only apply to a few metros. For the rest of us it’s more like “India Then and Then”.

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By: Dev http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184400 Dev Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:22:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184400 <p>Although I don't necessarily agree with him, the guy has some other very interesting articles on his website: http://www.jayantbhandari.com</p> Although I don’t necessarily agree with him, the guy has some other very interesting articles on his website: http://www.jayantbhandari.com

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184357 Sonika Chaudhary Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:30:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184357 <blockquote>Whereas Hindu and Jain vegetarians are vegetarians because its part of their religon.</blockquote> <p>Oddly enough some of these people are vegetarian solely for "ritual purity" reasons, which irks me, a vegetarian for ethical reasons. You would think that they would be vegetarians from the heart, with a concern for the welfare of animals, but some of them will go so far as to even kick and throw stones at street dogs yet boast of a shakahari diet. This is one of those things about the desh I will never understand. Better for such people to just be straight and eat meat rather than carry on with some hypocritical "purity" standard.</p> Whereas Hindu and Jain vegetarians are vegetarians because its part of their religon.

Oddly enough some of these people are vegetarian solely for “ritual purity” reasons, which irks me, a vegetarian for ethical reasons. You would think that they would be vegetarians from the heart, with a concern for the welfare of animals, but some of them will go so far as to even kick and throw stones at street dogs yet boast of a shakahari diet. This is one of those things about the desh I will never understand. Better for such people to just be straight and eat meat rather than carry on with some hypocritical “purity” standard.

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184353 Sonika Chaudhary Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:13:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184353 <blockquote>My lab partner for chem lab was one such person, this person who last name was Jain didn't even eat tree nuts and even coconut along with the stuff that grows underground like garlic, onion, potatoes etc but did eat eggs claiming only to eat "vegetarian" (unfertilized) eggs. Almost every week I would get a lecture from this person on the virtues of vegetarianism, was glad when the semester was over.</blockquote> <p>I thought Jains were vegan and abstained from even milk?</p> <p>At least two of my closest friends in Mumbai, who were Jain, did just that. Weird to hear of a Jain eating eggs.</p> My lab partner for chem lab was one such person, this person who last name was Jain didn’t even eat tree nuts and even coconut along with the stuff that grows underground like garlic, onion, potatoes etc but did eat eggs claiming only to eat “vegetarian” (unfertilized) eggs. Almost every week I would get a lecture from this person on the virtues of vegetarianism, was glad when the semester was over.

I thought Jains were vegan and abstained from even milk?

At least two of my closest friends in Mumbai, who were Jain, did just that. Weird to hear of a Jain eating eggs.

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184351 Sonika Chaudhary Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:07:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184351 <blockquote>"It's blood-spilling. It's almost murder," she said, and yet she knows both sons regularly eat meat when they go out. "They are grown now, I can't control it. They don't do it to hurt me, just to fit in with their friends. Society has changed." The woman is Jain (surname Mehta), she lives in a vegetarian complex but apparently kinship allows her to cut her sons some slack. I can understand and might even support veg only housing, but this has become about ethicity/religion</blockquote> <p>As long as they are not preparing and eating meat within the veg only complex, what is the harm? The complex requires that within it's walls, only vegetarian meals are prepared and eaten. Outside do whatever you want! I would still rent to them as long as they were following the rules of the complex while within it.</p> “It’s blood-spilling. It’s almost murder,” she said, and yet she knows both sons regularly eat meat when they go out. “They are grown now, I can’t control it. They don’t do it to hurt me, just to fit in with their friends. Society has changed.” The woman is Jain (surname Mehta), she lives in a vegetarian complex but apparently kinship allows her to cut her sons some slack. I can understand and might even support veg only housing, but this has become about ethicity/religion

As long as they are not preparing and eating meat within the veg only complex, what is the harm? The complex requires that within it’s walls, only vegetarian meals are prepared and eaten. Outside do whatever you want! I would still rent to them as long as they were following the rules of the complex while within it.

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184350 Sonika Chaudhary Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:00:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184350 <blockquote>Getting back to India....I agree that housing discrimination is a huge issue. I can kind of understand how lifelong vegetarians might find the very thought of having us meat eaters as neighbors unsettling, but in the end "veg" is equated with being Jain/Brahmin/Marwari. Not like landlords accept a notarized letter from a doctor who analyzes your poop to certify you herbivorous. This is one Muslim grievance that I do recognize and it is particularly damaging because on one hand we prescribe modern Western education etc as a cure for backwardness, but once they become middle class they end up having to deal with this crap too. Furthermore I hope this level of middle class integration will discourage rioting....why engage in communal fighting which will result in Mutual Destruction of Flat Screen TVs. </blockquote> <p>The smell of flesh cooking actually makes alot of vegetarians sick to our stomachs.</p> <p>We are fully within our rights to build vegetarian only accomodations. It's like saying vegetarian restaurants are discriminating against non-vegetarians. Well, if you want to eat vegetarian food, you are welcome, if not, there is the Mickey D's across the street.</p> <p>It's not like there are no apartments for meat eaters in Mumbai. In fact, the veg only apartments are few in number, very few. I've not heard about any meat eater who even wanted to rent there in the first place. Let's not make this into something it isn't.</p> Getting back to India….I agree that housing discrimination is a huge issue. I can kind of understand how lifelong vegetarians might find the very thought of having us meat eaters as neighbors unsettling, but in the end “veg” is equated with being Jain/Brahmin/Marwari. Not like landlords accept a notarized letter from a doctor who analyzes your poop to certify you herbivorous. This is one Muslim grievance that I do recognize and it is particularly damaging because on one hand we prescribe modern Western education etc as a cure for backwardness, but once they become middle class they end up having to deal with this crap too. Furthermore I hope this level of middle class integration will discourage rioting….why engage in communal fighting which will result in Mutual Destruction of Flat Screen TVs.

The smell of flesh cooking actually makes alot of vegetarians sick to our stomachs.

We are fully within our rights to build vegetarian only accomodations. It’s like saying vegetarian restaurants are discriminating against non-vegetarians. Well, if you want to eat vegetarian food, you are welcome, if not, there is the Mickey D’s across the street.

It’s not like there are no apartments for meat eaters in Mumbai. In fact, the veg only apartments are few in number, very few. I’ve not heard about any meat eater who even wanted to rent there in the first place. Let’s not make this into something it isn’t.

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184317 Sonika Chaudhary Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:24:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184317 <p>I lived for a short period, 6 months, in one of those vegetarian only apartment buildings in Mumbai 2 years ago while taking kathak and swar courses. I can vouch for that one at least did not take caste into consideration. About 50% of the people living there were Hindu. The rest 50% were a mix of Jain, foriegn yogi/buddhist types, ISKCON members (also foriegn) and even a few muslims of a particular sufi order. Quite an ecclectic group.</p> I lived for a short period, 6 months, in one of those vegetarian only apartment buildings in Mumbai 2 years ago while taking kathak and swar courses. I can vouch for that one at least did not take caste into consideration. About 50% of the people living there were Hindu. The rest 50% were a mix of Jain, foriegn yogi/buddhist types, ISKCON members (also foriegn) and even a few muslims of a particular sufi order. Quite an ecclectic group.

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By: Militant Vegan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/18/india_then_and/comment-page-2/#comment-184198 Militant Vegan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:35:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4912#comment-184198 <p>What? Housing exclusively for veggies in India? I am soooo there!</p> <p>We need something like this over here!</p> What? Housing exclusively for veggies in India? I am soooo there!

We need something like this over here!

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