Comments on: Ceding the war on xmas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Thambi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-183323 Thambi Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-183323 <p>Growing up in small town america, my parents didn't want us to feel weird so they celebrated Christmas, put up the tree, got us presents, stuffed the stockings and everything. Especially growing up in snowy Michigan, I really loved that time of year. of course then my siste came home one day saying she wanted to be Christian basically so she would fit in with everyone else. That pretty much put a stop to it. it's all well and good to "celebrate other cultures and religions" until you find your kids abandoning yours for whatever everyone else believes in. Which is why I plan on not celebrating Christmas at all when I have kids.</p> <p>But I will have the biggest Deepavali fireworks show around every year.</p> Growing up in small town america, my parents didn’t want us to feel weird so they celebrated Christmas, put up the tree, got us presents, stuffed the stockings and everything. Especially growing up in snowy Michigan, I really loved that time of year. of course then my siste came home one day saying she wanted to be Christian basically so she would fit in with everyone else. That pretty much put a stop to it. it’s all well and good to “celebrate other cultures and religions” until you find your kids abandoning yours for whatever everyone else believes in. Which is why I plan on not celebrating Christmas at all when I have kids.

But I will have the biggest Deepavali fireworks show around every year.

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By: nidhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-183107 nidhi Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:30:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-183107 <p>we tried both the tree and nothing. in the end we went with jahl moori, hindi movies and candy canes. now i spend the holidays with my american partner, trees, ham (i'm veg), and gift exchange... i miss the jahl.</p> we tried both the tree and nothing. in the end we went with jahl moori, hindi movies and candy canes. now i spend the holidays with my american partner, trees, ham (i’m veg), and gift exchange… i miss the jahl.

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By: deepal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-183105 deepal Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:23:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-183105 <p>I didn't even realize Christmas was a Christian holiday until college, hehe, and now I can't get onto a subway without someone telling me Christ died for my sins. This is why I love New York. :)</p> I didn’t even realize Christmas was a Christian holiday until college, hehe, and now I can’t get onto a subway without someone telling me Christ died for my sins. This is why I love New York. :)

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By: SIG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182872 SIG Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:44:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182872 <p><i>On one side are liberal secularists, multicultarists and minority groups who wish to undermine ....On the other side are muscular Christian conservatives who ....</i></p> <p>I totally disagree. On one side are Christian conservatives who want something to feel pissed off about. So they make up total shit about some fictional group of people who are crying "down with the Xtian stuff" (there is no such group). And they send out email forwards indignant about this imagined enemy, thus creating the necessary flames of passion within their own kind. They get their own feathers ruffled up so that they have something to feel self righteous about.</p> <p>And on the other side are Liberal secularists (are there other kinds ?) who are baffled to think that there may be some amongst them (there are none of course) who are actually perpetrating senseless anti Xtian propoganda and trying to make Christmas into the holidays and other such.</p> <p>Inbetween are the pandering fools who actually believe this game and try to fall in line with one side or the fictional other.</p> <p>Secularism is not about wiping out religions. It's about harmonious co-existance. That means I celebrate Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Pongal and Eid. As a friend aptly observed, "You pagans are always looking for a chance to party, aren't you ?"</p> On one side are liberal secularists, multicultarists and minority groups who wish to undermine ….On the other side are muscular Christian conservatives who ….

I totally disagree. On one side are Christian conservatives who want something to feel pissed off about. So they make up total shit about some fictional group of people who are crying “down with the Xtian stuff” (there is no such group). And they send out email forwards indignant about this imagined enemy, thus creating the necessary flames of passion within their own kind. They get their own feathers ruffled up so that they have something to feel self righteous about.

And on the other side are Liberal secularists (are there other kinds ?) who are baffled to think that there may be some amongst them (there are none of course) who are actually perpetrating senseless anti Xtian propoganda and trying to make Christmas into the holidays and other such.

Inbetween are the pandering fools who actually believe this game and try to fall in line with one side or the fictional other.

Secularism is not about wiping out religions. It’s about harmonious co-existance. That means I celebrate Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Pongal and Eid. As a friend aptly observed, “You pagans are always looking for a chance to party, aren’t you ?”

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By: PatsSuck http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182869 PatsSuck Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:04:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182869 <p>Those ggm videos were HILARIOUS. It reminded me so much of our indian culture.</p> Those ggm videos were HILARIOUS. It reminded me so much of our indian culture.

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By: Punbaji Böi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182855 Punbaji Böi Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:38:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182855 <p>If you have to pick a Goodness Gracious Me vid about x-mas, at least pick <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr0XF-yoaqg">this</a></p> If you have to pick a Goodness Gracious Me vid about x-mas, at least pick this

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By: CMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182852 CMF Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:18:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182852 <p>Hindu house. Did the stockings & presents deal only. Believed in Santa, etc.</p> <p>I just don't see what's wrong with Hindu, Muslim, Christian alike celebrating Santa's birth.</p> Hindu house. Did the stockings & presents deal only. Believed in Santa, etc.

I just don’t see what’s wrong with Hindu, Muslim, Christian alike celebrating Santa’s birth.

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By: Punbaji Böi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182850 Punbaji Böi Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:58:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182850 <h1>11 - Shallow Thinker, genius, pure genius!</h1> 11 – Shallow Thinker, genius, pure genius!]]> By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182839 portmanteau Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:27:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182839 <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus">festivus</a> <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=I-wm9N0KiAs">for the rest of us</a>.</p> <blockquote> Frank Costanza: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had, but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way. Cosmo Kramer: What happened to the doll? Frank Costanza: It was destroyed. But out of that a new holiday was born: a Festivus for the rest of us!</blockquote> festivus for the rest of us.

Frank Costanza: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had, but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way. Cosmo Kramer: What happened to the doll? Frank Costanza: It was destroyed. But out of that a new holiday was born: a Festivus for the rest of us!
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By: headmistress http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/ceding_the_war/comment-page-2/#comment-182838 headmistress Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:04:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4905#comment-182838 <p>I got to play Mary in my school nativity play when I was 4 or so. I remember my teachers really wanted me for the role and wrote home to my parents for permission in case they found it offensive. They were cool with it, esp. seeing as my name is the arabicised version of Mary anyway, it was kinda apt. And I got to wear a big blue burkha while my friends played angels and donkeys around me. Still have the video evidence :D</p> <p>It's a little sad to see christmas getting increasingly watered down, pulped into this bland, neutralised one-size-fits-all winter holiday. Most of my younger siblings/nephews/nieces' schools don't do Nativity plays or carols anymore, not for a long while. This has all been cordoned off to cold, gloomy churches that hardly anyone attends. I loved participating in this, even though religiously we were out of it and we didn't do the tree etc at home, there was still lots of gift exchanging, parties and dinners with friends/ workmates(albeit with turkey-flavoured quorn, blech). I loved the tv - the traditional "Snowman", and the plethora of cheesy family movies. I loved the lights, the tackier the better, the hot chestnut stalls, and the first time you heard "fairytale of new york" in a supermarket you knew Christmas was on its way. In many ways I "did" christmas more than Eid since that tends to revolve mainly on home and family, while xmas was infinitely more fun.</p> <p>Now of course xmas starts getting bandied about by October, and you can see the marketing campaigns trying to stir comsumers into a frenzy of desperate gift purchasing. Come December and no one seems to give a toss about it much anymore.</p> I got to play Mary in my school nativity play when I was 4 or so. I remember my teachers really wanted me for the role and wrote home to my parents for permission in case they found it offensive. They were cool with it, esp. seeing as my name is the arabicised version of Mary anyway, it was kinda apt. And I got to wear a big blue burkha while my friends played angels and donkeys around me. Still have the video evidence :D

It’s a little sad to see christmas getting increasingly watered down, pulped into this bland, neutralised one-size-fits-all winter holiday. Most of my younger siblings/nephews/nieces’ schools don’t do Nativity plays or carols anymore, not for a long while. This has all been cordoned off to cold, gloomy churches that hardly anyone attends. I loved participating in this, even though religiously we were out of it and we didn’t do the tree etc at home, there was still lots of gift exchanging, parties and dinners with friends/ workmates(albeit with turkey-flavoured quorn, blech). I loved the tv – the traditional “Snowman”, and the plethora of cheesy family movies. I loved the lights, the tackier the better, the hot chestnut stalls, and the first time you heard “fairytale of new york” in a supermarket you knew Christmas was on its way. In many ways I “did” christmas more than Eid since that tends to revolve mainly on home and family, while xmas was infinitely more fun.

Now of course xmas starts getting bandied about by October, and you can see the marketing campaigns trying to stir comsumers into a frenzy of desperate gift purchasing. Come December and no one seems to give a toss about it much anymore.

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