Comments on: Two DBDs Murdered at LSU (2 Updates) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-4/#comment-192975 A N N A Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:34:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-192975 <p>Your rebuke of us apathetic injuns may not be as productive as you think it would be, but I guess it indicates your...extreme feelings about this tragedy. I do hope that you continue to visit other "Indian" blogs and leave the same comment, since SM is but a tiny sliver of the global community and if you feel this strongly, it would behoove you to foment protest every-brown-where.</p> Your rebuke of us apathetic injuns may not be as productive as you think it would be, but I guess it indicates your…extreme feelings about this tragedy. I do hope that you continue to visit other “Indian” blogs and leave the same comment, since SM is but a tiny sliver of the global community and if you feel this strongly, it would behoove you to foment protest every-brown-where.

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By: Vanest http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-4/#comment-192960 Vanest Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:25:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-192960 <p>Last post is Dec 24, 2007. Have the students been forgotten?</p> <p>WHERE IS INDIAN COMMUNITY OUTRAGE?? Without civil action or community service, the indian voice will never be heard. You must stand up for your fellow man. You can not expect others to do it for you.</p> <p>Where are the Indian Student Associations?? They should be forming teams with ISA all over LA. (& the nation for that matter) to demand better security on college campuses for ALL students. Gov-elect Jindal should be held accountable for not demanding LSU step up security measures as promised.</p> <p>There is much you can do. I am not indian, but I am ashamed that the govt & the campus officials have done so little. I am also stunned that the indian community just let this slide without doing enough. Perhaps that is why nothing is being done by officials.</p> <p>It's not enough to feel deeply sorry. You must do something.</p> <p>You make yourselves easy targets by remaining quiet. BE HEARD!!</p> Last post is Dec 24, 2007. Have the students been forgotten?

WHERE IS INDIAN COMMUNITY OUTRAGE?? Without civil action or community service, the indian voice will never be heard. You must stand up for your fellow man. You can not expect others to do it for you.

Where are the Indian Student Associations?? They should be forming teams with ISA all over LA. (& the nation for that matter) to demand better security on college campuses for ALL students. Gov-elect Jindal should be held accountable for not demanding LSU step up security measures as promised.

There is much you can do. I am not indian, but I am ashamed that the govt & the campus officials have done so little. I am also stunned that the indian community just let this slide without doing enough. Perhaps that is why nothing is being done by officials.

It’s not enough to feel deeply sorry. You must do something.

You make yourselves easy targets by remaining quiet. BE HEARD!!

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By: Kurma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-4/#comment-184298 Kurma Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:12:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-184298 <p>Kevin <i>ji, aap galat samajh rahe hain.</i></p> Kevin ji, aap galat samajh rahe hain.

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By: Kevin G http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-4/#comment-184292 Kevin G Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:42:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-184292 <p><i>Forget about the race of the killers. I don't care about that.</i></p> <p>But if the killers were White you would care and so would the American media and that's the point. America LOOOOUUUUVES it's White Devils, especially it's Southern variety. If the killers had been White the media would have picked up the story as a "hate crime" and they would be off and running. See the Duke rape hoax case!!</p> <p>Most crimes in which the victims are of the White American "mainstream" get little or no attention. The fact that a few cases get relentless attention creates the illusion of greater attention to White victims.</p> <p>But the other issue relates to my earlier post. Why do people on this site give greater attention to this case than the case I refered to above? Class bias? Do the people on this site better identify with college graduate students than gas station workers on the night shift?</p> <p><i>This, I think, has a lot to do with the identity of the victims. They were, in some way, "not like us".</i></p> Forget about the race of the killers. I don’t care about that.

But if the killers were White you would care and so would the American media and that’s the point. America LOOOOUUUUVES it’s White Devils, especially it’s Southern variety. If the killers had been White the media would have picked up the story as a “hate crime” and they would be off and running. See the Duke rape hoax case!!

Most crimes in which the victims are of the White American “mainstream” get little or no attention. The fact that a few cases get relentless attention creates the illusion of greater attention to White victims.

But the other issue relates to my earlier post. Why do people on this site give greater attention to this case than the case I refered to above? Class bias? Do the people on this site better identify with college graduate students than gas station workers on the night shift?

This, I think, has a lot to do with the identity of the victims. They were, in some way, “not like us”.

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By: Kurma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-4/#comment-184280 Kurma Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:51:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-184280 <p>Forget about the race of the killers. I don't care about that.</p> <p>But consider this: When I searched "LSU murders" on Google News when this was still just days old, there were over a thousand news items. A lot of them were from the Indian press. But some European and international papers also carried. BBC world had it as their main article for some time. Contrast this with the coverage in the US. Minimal. Of the small number of articles, some focused on the failure of the text alert system. Apart from brief articles in a couple of local news sources and a brief report in the NYT, there was nothing! This, I think, has a lot to do with the identity of the <i>victims</i>. They were, in some way, "not like us". I can think of two things:</p> <ol> <li>They were Indians and not Americans.</li> <li>They were graduate students - adults living their own lives. So parents of college kids didn't feel quite the same "If this happened to those kids, this could happen to our kids" feeling.</li> </ol> <p>For one of these reasons, most people here did not relate to the incident and were not shocked.</p> Forget about the race of the killers. I don’t care about that.

But consider this: When I searched “LSU murders” on Google News when this was still just days old, there were over a thousand news items. A lot of them were from the Indian press. But some European and international papers also carried. BBC world had it as their main article for some time. Contrast this with the coverage in the US. Minimal. Of the small number of articles, some focused on the failure of the text alert system. Apart from brief articles in a couple of local news sources and a brief report in the NYT, there was nothing! This, I think, has a lot to do with the identity of the victims. They were, in some way, “not like us”. I can think of two things:

  1. They were Indians and not Americans.
  2. They were graduate students – adults living their own lives. So parents of college kids didn’t feel quite the same “If this happened to those kids, this could happen to our kids” feeling.

For one of these reasons, most people here did not relate to the incident and were not shocked.

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By: Quiet Storm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-3/#comment-183719 Quiet Storm Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:33:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-183719 <blockquote>I feel sorry for the people that died,but the racism in this thread is turning me off. That is why I find it hard listen when you talk about racism and stereotypes directed at you,from the looks of things you give as good as you get. This not directed at all the folks on the board just some.</blockquote> <p>Amen. But it's in tragic cases like this that the ugliness reveals itself. Better that it's in plain view and on the record. The psychological legacy of oppression maintains itself long after the specific political and economic relations of oppression have disappeared. Behold the results! Divided and conquered, capable of the most acrobatic acts of compartmentalization, and drenched in anxiety.</p> <p>Peace to the deceased, their families, the ancestors. Liberation awaits.</p> I feel sorry for the people that died,but the racism in this thread is turning me off. That is why I find it hard listen when you talk about racism and stereotypes directed at you,from the looks of things you give as good as you get. This not directed at all the folks on the board just some.

Amen. But it’s in tragic cases like this that the ugliness reveals itself. Better that it’s in plain view and on the record. The psychological legacy of oppression maintains itself long after the specific political and economic relations of oppression have disappeared. Behold the results! Divided and conquered, capable of the most acrobatic acts of compartmentalization, and drenched in anxiety.

Peace to the deceased, their families, the ancestors. Liberation awaits.

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By: Doug http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-3/#comment-183717 Doug Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:28:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-183717 <p>My bad I thought they did.</p> My bad I thought they did.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-3/#comment-183712 Amitabh Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:11:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-183712 <blockquote>Again I am glad they caught the criminals.</blockquote> <p>They caught them?</p> Again I am glad they caught the criminals.

They caught them?

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By: Kevin G http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-3/#comment-183644 Kevin G Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:40:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-183644 <p>So as not to be elitist let's also remember Pravinkumar Chimanbha Patel and Dashrath Patel who were murdered Dec 7 at their gas station in rural Florida. And HMF their murderer was not a "redneck", KKK member or gated community White racist Republican guy. Sorry to disappoint you.</p> <p>Their killer Leon Davis, Jr has been captured. He's also charged with setting on fire two Latino women he robbed, killing one and killing the unborn baby of the other.</p> <p>http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51532</p> So as not to be elitist let’s also remember Pravinkumar Chimanbha Patel and Dashrath Patel who were murdered Dec 7 at their gas station in rural Florida. And HMF their murderer was not a “redneck”, KKK member or gated community White racist Republican guy. Sorry to disappoint you.

Their killer Leon Davis, Jr has been captured. He’s also charged with setting on fire two Latino women he robbed, killing one and killing the unborn baby of the other.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51532

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By: Doug http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/12/14/a_dbd_nightmare_1/comment-page-3/#comment-183452 Doug Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:23:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4907#comment-183452 <p>I feel sorry for the people that died,but the racism in this thread is turning me off. That is why I find it hard listen when you talk about racism and stereotypes directed at you,from the looks of things you give as good as you get. This not directed at all the folks on the board just some. Again I am glad they caught the criminals.</p> I feel sorry for the people that died,but the racism in this thread is turning me off. That is why I find it hard listen when you talk about racism and stereotypes directed at you,from the looks of things you give as good as you get. This not directed at all the folks on the board just some. Again I am glad they caught the criminals.

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