Comments on: Indian Cricket League http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: amit kheterpal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-183088 amit kheterpal Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:51:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-183088 <p>let us watch the war between ICL vs IPl and see who wins .. That is more interesting than the match anyways !!!</p> let us watch the war between ICL vs IPl and see who wins .. That is more interesting than the match anyways !!!

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By: Kurma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-181125 Kurma Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:43:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-181125 <p>Chandigargh ad is bo-RING!</p> Chandigargh ad is bo-RING!

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By: Amit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180601 Amit Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:48:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180601 <blockquote>They definitely score more than 616 if they are not all out. And even if they are, it wouldn't have been much less than 616. </blockquote> <p>Pravin, you have a point, but there's also the psychological aspect (for both your team and the opponent's) that comes into play - 616 all out (or even 636 a.o.) vs. 616/5 - which can affect the sessions that follow. That's it. Interesting conversation, carry on, Pravin and WGIIA.</p> They definitely score more than 616 if they are not all out. And even if they are, it wouldn’t have been much less than 616.

Pravin, you have a point, but there’s also the psychological aspect (for both your team and the opponent’s) that comes into play – 616 all out (or even 636 a.o.) vs. 616/5 – which can affect the sessions that follow. That’s it. Interesting conversation, carry on, Pravin and WGIIA.

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180586 Pravin Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:28:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180586 <p>WGIIA, my point is when you got a score as big as 600, there is really no downside in going for it, even if Pak has more time to score because then India could always have slowed it down for the second innings. I personally believe they would have scored at least as much as 616 anyway with slogging for the same amount of time and would have been all out. This is the thing. Forget my initial proposed strategy of pacing in the last 2 hours. If you know you are going to declare in 10 overs, and you got 5 wickets, what harm is there in trying to hit as many runs as you can in those 10 overs? They definitely score more than 616 if they are not all out. And even if they are, it wouldnt have been much less than 616. Same with the second innings, if you are going to give Pak a whole day to score 300 plus and you have 6 wickets in hand, they should have socred more and scored faster in the post tea session to give Indian bowlers a bigger target to defend AND probably an extra hour to bowl Pakistan out. You got the luxury of 6 wickets to take chances. It turns out Pakistan would have drawn anyway. But you gotta try. I just dont think cricketers with the exception of the Australians and a couple of other countries really do much strategy preparation in their game plans.</p> WGIIA, my point is when you got a score as big as 600, there is really no downside in going for it, even if Pak has more time to score because then India could always have slowed it down for the second innings. I personally believe they would have scored at least as much as 616 anyway with slogging for the same amount of time and would have been all out. This is the thing. Forget my initial proposed strategy of pacing in the last 2 hours. If you know you are going to declare in 10 overs, and you got 5 wickets, what harm is there in trying to hit as many runs as you can in those 10 overs? They definitely score more than 616 if they are not all out. And even if they are, it wouldnt have been much less than 616. Same with the second innings, if you are going to give Pak a whole day to score 300 plus and you have 6 wickets in hand, they should have socred more and scored faster in the post tea session to give Indian bowlers a bigger target to defend AND probably an extra hour to bowl Pakistan out. You got the luxury of 6 wickets to take chances. It turns out Pakistan would have drawn anyway. But you gotta try. I just dont think cricketers with the exception of the Australians and a couple of other countries really do much strategy preparation in their game plans.

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180576 Whose God is it anyways? Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:53:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180576 <p>"What kind of person in their right mind would PAY to go watch an ALL DAY EVENT where people are leasurely walking or jogging around and that ONE DAY is just 1/5th of the whole MATCH, which may or may not have a result ??? !!!! Amazing!!!"</p> <p>:) people with more hardy attention spans who don't equate instant gratification with excitement/success, who value patience, stamina (physical and mental), nuance, strategy, plotting, scheming, negotiation skills, delicacy (and brute strength when needed, not as an end in itself), art, style, grace.</p> <p>and judging by the crowds at delhi and kolkata, this includes many young people, especially teenaged and younger boys and girls (who showed excitement one normally associates with odis or twenty20 matches). also, many women in the crowd- younger and older (and dare i say many attractive women?) clearly test cricket is still cool to some people:)</p> “What kind of person in their right mind would PAY to go watch an ALL DAY EVENT where people are leasurely walking or jogging around and that ONE DAY is just 1/5th of the whole MATCH, which may or may not have a result ??? !!!! Amazing!!!”

:) people with more hardy attention spans who don’t equate instant gratification with excitement/success, who value patience, stamina (physical and mental), nuance, strategy, plotting, scheming, negotiation skills, delicacy (and brute strength when needed, not as an end in itself), art, style, grace.

and judging by the crowds at delhi and kolkata, this includes many young people, especially teenaged and younger boys and girls (who showed excitement one normally associates with odis or twenty20 matches). also, many women in the crowd- younger and older (and dare i say many attractive women?) clearly test cricket is still cool to some people:)

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180573 RC Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:38:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180573 <p>What kind of person in their right mind would PAY to go watch an ALL DAY EVENT where people are leasurely walking or jogging around and that ONE DAY is just 1/5th of the whole MATCH, which may or may not have a result ??? !!!! Amazing!!!</p> What kind of person in their right mind would PAY to go watch an ALL DAY EVENT where people are leasurely walking or jogging around and that ONE DAY is just 1/5th of the whole MATCH, which may or may not have a result ??? !!!! Amazing!!!

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180568 Whose God is it anyways? Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:01:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180568 <p>pravin, it's not just about scoring at a decent run-rate. it's also about eating up some time in test cricket. slogging and getting forty or so more runs has to be balanced against how much time you are giving pakistan to score those measly extra forty or whatever runs. pakistan managed to score 214-4 on the final day, with wickets in hand. if india had slogged more on the fourth day and declared earlier, they would have given themselves more time to get pakistan out, but that lead wasn't enough to be confident of that on the kolkata wicket, which got tougher for the bowlers to bowl on as time progressed, and they would have risked giving pakistan more time to score those runs. pakistan only took 9 wickets in the two innings and india 14. india possibly could have gotten to 600 all out in the first innings at a quicker rate (but then wickets could also have fallen slogging to reach that target) but then that would have given pakistan more time to possibly build a lead and put pressure on india in the second innings - and given misbah's and kamran's resistance, it could have gone that way if a couple of the others had stayed as well.</p> pravin, it’s not just about scoring at a decent run-rate. it’s also about eating up some time in test cricket. slogging and getting forty or so more runs has to be balanced against how much time you are giving pakistan to score those measly extra forty or whatever runs. pakistan managed to score 214-4 on the final day, with wickets in hand. if india had slogged more on the fourth day and declared earlier, they would have given themselves more time to get pakistan out, but that lead wasn’t enough to be confident of that on the kolkata wicket, which got tougher for the bowlers to bowl on as time progressed, and they would have risked giving pakistan more time to score those runs. pakistan only took 9 wickets in the two innings and india 14. india possibly could have gotten to 600 all out in the first innings at a quicker rate (but then wickets could also have fallen slogging to reach that target) but then that would have given pakistan more time to possibly build a lead and put pressure on india in the second innings – and given misbah’s and kamran’s resistance, it could have gone that way if a couple of the others had stayed as well.

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180564 Pravin Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:39:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180564 <p>Bytewords, like I said, I am not questioning the overall run rate, just the rate in the final hours of both innings. When you declare both innings with 5 to 6 wickets left, let's say you had wickets to spare to be able to take more risks towards the end to quicken the scoring rate. And slogging is possible because Dhoni hit 16 out of his 50 runs in the last 5 balls he faced when he was told there wsa only one over left before declaring. Until then, they were plodding along at 3-4 an over in the final couple of hours. Until the 500 mark, they had an excellent run rate for tests. But they lost the plot after that. I doubt the bowler just happened to bowl badly for that one over only. I have seen it enough times where Indian batters seem to play for milestones when they should be slogging it out in the final hour before declaring. Granted, it is not the same field placement as one dayers, but as long as you got wickets, there are runs to be made unless you have a tail that cannot score fast. Indians do not have a consistent tail, but people like Harbajhan can score fast. Even if he is out for a zero, there is nothing to lose.</p> Bytewords, like I said, I am not questioning the overall run rate, just the rate in the final hours of both innings. When you declare both innings with 5 to 6 wickets left, let’s say you had wickets to spare to be able to take more risks towards the end to quicken the scoring rate. And slogging is possible because Dhoni hit 16 out of his 50 runs in the last 5 balls he faced when he was told there wsa only one over left before declaring. Until then, they were plodding along at 3-4 an over in the final couple of hours. Until the 500 mark, they had an excellent run rate for tests. But they lost the plot after that. I doubt the bowler just happened to bowl badly for that one over only. I have seen it enough times where Indian batters seem to play for milestones when they should be slogging it out in the final hour before declaring. Granted, it is not the same field placement as one dayers, but as long as you got wickets, there are runs to be made unless you have a tail that cannot score fast. Indians do not have a consistent tail, but people like Harbajhan can score fast. Even if he is out for a zero, there is nothing to lose.

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By: fallen jhumki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180558 fallen jhumki Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:07:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180558 <p>ahahaha!!!! i have to give to the tamils for this one!!! their ad was the best!! they must have good marketing skills! the pink uniforms r kinda sadd though.</p> <p>hmmm, i think cheerleaders would be regarded as sexual anyways in india, because they wear tiny clothes and also cuz, its "hot girls" giving a morality boost for men. My mom is one of those who doesnt consider cheerleading a proper sport.</p> ahahaha!!!! i have to give to the tamils for this one!!! their ad was the best!! they must have good marketing skills! the pink uniforms r kinda sadd though.

hmmm, i think cheerleaders would be regarded as sexual anyways in india, because they wear tiny clothes and also cuz, its “hot girls” giving a morality boost for men. My mom is one of those who doesnt consider cheerleading a proper sport.

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/30/indian_cricket_1/comment-page-2/#comment-180557 bytewords Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:01:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4880#comment-180557 <blockquote>some have an education level and competence in <strike>that</strike> field that would be unimaginable for </blockquote> <p>... competence in <i>a non-sports, technical</i> field.. in the previous comment. sorry abt that.</p> some have an education level and competence in that field that would be unimaginable for

… competence in a non-sports, technical field.. in the previous comment. sorry abt that.

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