Comments on: Two Things I Think We Can All Agree On http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-178553 Jude Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:05:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-178553 <p>"in all seriousness, it does not need to be anything of this sort (i don't know in what context pl used it, but it could refer to foods she grow up eating etc., for example). there are certain cultural signifiers that being a tambram implies, which which have nothing to do with oppressing shudras, and somebody could convey those aspects by identifying themselves as tambrams in an appropriate context. on the other hand, a white man flying a confederate flag or calling himself master has a pretty clear implication.</p> <p>this is not to say that there aren't delusional tamils/brahmins of the kind boston mahesh mentions."</p> <p>Yup, originally I had thought that 'tambram' was offensive and discriminatory and all that jazz. But when I had went to university and associated for the first time with other tamils who for the first time were not of my family, i realized that there <em>are</em> cultural signifiers that set myself apart from the other sri lankan tamils.</p> <p>If I grew up in family that had certain ways of doing things, certain linguistic differences and culinary choices that I have in common with someone else who is not necessary from the same region as me, why is it a crime to identify with that person through a common name?</p> <p>culturally, if I have a similar upbringing to someone from bombay who happens to be 'tambram', and I happen to be 'tambram', what is wrong with identifying it?</p> <p>It's not simply 'tamil' because as I found out in uni, I did not have the same degree of commonality with a tamil from the same area that my parents are from (sri lanka), that I did with someone all the way from bombay who happened to be 'tambram'.</p> <p>(I'm sure not a lot of you US-born tamils realize that as almost every tamil you meet in the US is indian and tambram.. in canada it's different.)</p> <p>visiting a sri lankan nonbram's home was as disimilar (it was a revelation when i found out that most tamil people actually danced! (gasp) during weddings) for me as visiting say the home of a telugu person. yet I am allowed to acknowledge the latter.</p> <p>I mean I grew up around white people, so the only time I was allowed to engage in my culture was with my family. is it my fault that my 'upbringing', as i understood it, rests on a certain identity (tambram) other than my regional identity? I mean, I can't change my family upbringing, can I? and nothing about it entails oppressing anyone, for that matter.</p> “in all seriousness, it does not need to be anything of this sort (i don’t know in what context pl used it, but it could refer to foods she grow up eating etc., for example). there are certain cultural signifiers that being a tambram implies, which which have nothing to do with oppressing shudras, and somebody could convey those aspects by identifying themselves as tambrams in an appropriate context. on the other hand, a white man flying a confederate flag or calling himself master has a pretty clear implication.

this is not to say that there aren’t delusional tamils/brahmins of the kind boston mahesh mentions.”

Yup, originally I had thought that ‘tambram’ was offensive and discriminatory and all that jazz. But when I had went to university and associated for the first time with other tamils who for the first time were not of my family, i realized that there are cultural signifiers that set myself apart from the other sri lankan tamils.

If I grew up in family that had certain ways of doing things, certain linguistic differences and culinary choices that I have in common with someone else who is not necessary from the same region as me, why is it a crime to identify with that person through a common name?

culturally, if I have a similar upbringing to someone from bombay who happens to be ‘tambram’, and I happen to be ‘tambram’, what is wrong with identifying it?

It’s not simply ‘tamil’ because as I found out in uni, I did not have the same degree of commonality with a tamil from the same area that my parents are from (sri lanka), that I did with someone all the way from bombay who happened to be ‘tambram’.

(I’m sure not a lot of you US-born tamils realize that as almost every tamil you meet in the US is indian and tambram.. in canada it’s different.)

visiting a sri lankan nonbram’s home was as disimilar (it was a revelation when i found out that most tamil people actually danced! (gasp) during weddings) for me as visiting say the home of a telugu person. yet I am allowed to acknowledge the latter.

I mean I grew up around white people, so the only time I was allowed to engage in my culture was with my family. is it my fault that my ‘upbringing’, as i understood it, rests on a certain identity (tambram) other than my regional identity? I mean, I can’t change my family upbringing, can I? and nothing about it entails oppressing anyone, for that matter.

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177285 melbourne desi Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:47:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177285 <p>LCs and SCs tend to have different first names. E.g. Paul/Anthony are often LC names where Thomas/George are often SC names.</p> LCs and SCs tend to have different first names. E.g. Paul/Anthony are often LC names where Thomas/George are often SC names.

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177276 cookiebrown Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:00:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177276 <blockquote>And now, about to embark on breeding the super-race.</blockquote> <p>#178</p> <p>Been there, done that already. Results appear to confirm <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton">Francis Galton's theory of regression to the mean.</a> Drat and curses! Foiled again!! Not to mention my weak attempt at a troll...</p> And now, about to embark on breeding the super-race.

#178

Been there, done that already. Results appear to confirm Francis Galton’s theory of regression to the mean. Drat and curses! Foiled again!! Not to mention my weak attempt at a troll…

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By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177252 nala Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:38:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177252 <p>melbourne desi - how are the first names of LCs different? (all i know is, most of my mallu friends have funny names that I like to tease them about. then they get back at me by bringing up my unpronouncable last name :P)</p> melbourne desi – how are the first names of LCs different? (all i know is, most of my mallu friends have funny names that I like to tease them about. then they get back at me by bringing up my unpronouncable last name :P )

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177234 melbourne desi Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:24:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177234 <blockquote>funnily, my primary association of fishy smells is with railway stations in madras (specifically, west mambalam). but your insinuation gives 'happy journey' a totally different meaning ;)</blockquote> <p>The smell of fish in Mambalam station is mostly one of rotten fish. Quite obnoxious unless if it is surstromming ( Swedish rotten fish) - in which case it is amazing. The fishy smell that I was referring to is the odour found in a fresh fish market. The aroma emanating from some aroused women is quite similar - hence the insinuation.</p> <blockquote>I don't believe I know any Latin Catholics in the U.S.</blockquote> <p>you may - although quite unlikely that the LCs talk about their affiliation. First names between LCs and SCs are different.</p> funnily, my primary association of fishy smells is with railway stations in madras (specifically, west mambalam). but your insinuation gives ‘happy journey’ a totally different meaning ;)

The smell of fish in Mambalam station is mostly one of rotten fish. Quite obnoxious unless if it is surstromming ( Swedish rotten fish) – in which case it is amazing. The fishy smell that I was referring to is the odour found in a fresh fish market. The aroma emanating from some aroused women is quite similar – hence the insinuation.

I don’t believe I know any Latin Catholics in the U.S.

you may – although quite unlikely that the LCs talk about their affiliation. First names between LCs and SCs are different.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177232 amaun Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:06:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177232 <p><i>"I'm a TamBrahm"= ... "I'm a PunjBrahm" = </i> I am glad the both of you found each other. It must be a gas, each of you knowing you are the pinnacle of your cultures genetic breeding. And now, about to embark on breeding the super-race.</p> “I’m a TamBrahm”= … “I’m a PunjBrahm” = I am glad the both of you found each other. It must be a gas, each of you knowing you are the pinnacle of your cultures genetic breeding. And now, about to embark on breeding the super-race.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177205 ak Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:10:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177205 <blockquote>not where I come from. A fishy smell is such a turn on ;) </blockquote> <p>funnily, my primary association of fishy smells is with railway stations in madras (specifically, west mambalam). but your insinuation gives 'happy journey' a totally different meaning ;)</p> not where I come from. A fishy smell is such a turn on ;)

funnily, my primary association of fishy smells is with railway stations in madras (specifically, west mambalam). but your insinuation gives ‘happy journey’ a totally different meaning ;)

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By: Prasad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177189 Prasad Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:08:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177189 <p>Wow, it starts with PL and goes on about brahmins and food habits :))</p> <p>As for me, I was raised as a vegetarian and for long it was simply a psychological barrier for me to eat any kind of meat. Even during formative ages, I was pretty vocal about not acknowledging my caste and all that.</p> <p>Only recently, I took the bite into all kinds of meats (yes pork and beef too) out there and I dont feel any less or more hindu because of stint of inner rebellion. I am at peace and I think I liked lamb meat the best followed by fried fish. I almost choked on uncooked salmon sushi, even though that <i>kind of smell</i> isn't totally alien ;)</p> Wow, it starts with PL and goes on about brahmins and food habits :) )

As for me, I was raised as a vegetarian and for long it was simply a psychological barrier for me to eat any kind of meat. Even during formative ages, I was pretty vocal about not acknowledging my caste and all that.

Only recently, I took the bite into all kinds of meats (yes pork and beef too) out there and I dont feel any less or more hindu because of stint of inner rebellion. I am at peace and I think I liked lamb meat the best followed by fried fish. I almost choked on uncooked salmon sushi, even though that kind of smell isn’t totally alien ;)

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By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177187 nala Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:34:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177187 <p>Thanks for the info melbourne desi, v. interesting. I don't believe I know any Latin Catholics in the U.S.</p> <p>Also,</p> <blockquote> think that there is a stigma associated with enjoying fish in India. not where I come from. A fishy smell is such a turn on ;)</blockquote> <p>Ewwww! ;)</p> Thanks for the info melbourne desi, v. interesting. I don’t believe I know any Latin Catholics in the U.S.

Also,

think that there is a stigma associated with enjoying fish in India. not where I come from. A fishy smell is such a turn on ;)

Ewwww! ;)

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/11/07/two_things_i_th/comment-page-4/#comment-177171 cookiebrown Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:41:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4847#comment-177171 <p>"I'm a TamBrahm"= I sound funny to other Tamils/I look funny to other Tamils and can be spotted from a mile away by any of them/ my skinny limbs are strictly rasam-fed/ I use badly mangled pronunciations of Sanskrit words as part of my every-day Tamil/I'm irritable and think its admirably macho to lose my temper/I have no idea how to be hospitable to anyone/My personal rituals are not only arcane, but well into obsessive-compulsive disorder territory/I'm a genius (like all my relatives), and it is really annoying stupider people get ahead in this world/Money?Where it comes from, where it goes, nobody (well, no TamBrahm) knows/I looked down on all other castes but somehow forgot to accumulate wealth and power/All other Tamils secretly think our babes are hot but will never admit it/When I speak in English, I sound like a 19th century Welshman on acid for some odd reason.</p> <p>"I'm a PunjBrahm" = I am a most superior form of life, higher in cosmic status even than the Scythians, which is why you need to know I'm a PunjBrahm.</p> <p>As an example of the first, married to an example of the second, I swear upon my curd-rice this is all true...</p> “I’m a TamBrahm”= I sound funny to other Tamils/I look funny to other Tamils and can be spotted from a mile away by any of them/ my skinny limbs are strictly rasam-fed/ I use badly mangled pronunciations of Sanskrit words as part of my every-day Tamil/I’m irritable and think its admirably macho to lose my temper/I have no idea how to be hospitable to anyone/My personal rituals are not only arcane, but well into obsessive-compulsive disorder territory/I’m a genius (like all my relatives), and it is really annoying stupider people get ahead in this world/Money?Where it comes from, where it goes, nobody (well, no TamBrahm) knows/I looked down on all other castes but somehow forgot to accumulate wealth and power/All other Tamils secretly think our babes are hot but will never admit it/When I speak in English, I sound like a 19th century Welshman on acid for some odd reason.

“I’m a PunjBrahm” = I am a most superior form of life, higher in cosmic status even than the Scythians, which is why you need to know I’m a PunjBrahm.

As an example of the first, married to an example of the second, I swear upon my curd-rice this is all true…

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