Comments on: Amit Varma Wins the Bastiat Prize http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ardy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174707 Ardy Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:11:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174707 <p>Amit, Gaurav - I think it's just a difference in perspective. I am not saying that NREGS is a great plan or that it should have come through. When it came out, I was quite frustrated with it's obvious political mileage content. But today instead I am coming from the point of view, that now that it is here, I would rather use it as well as I can and maximize what I can get from it. This is still not mutually exclusive from saying that I wont be pro changes in policy and labor laws or accepting that it is a political gimmick, and that better schemes can be brought out. Thus on the issue of minimal government interference for economic growth, I think we are on the same page. And I have already expressed my reservations with it for corruption, the more money these bastards of baburaj have, the more they can exploit it.</p> <p>At the same time, and I give more credit to the RTI for that, despite where we are with NREGS, a lot can be improved and more power be given to the rural aam aadmi through good monitoring of schemes (social audits, RTIs) and demanding why NREGS is not being implemented in a certain area again through RTI. This is where some of us work in the NREGS sphere. Hence we try to make a less than perfect system a little less imperfect. Again to beat upon a beaten point, this still does not mean that I am pro big government schemes like NREGS. And from a journalistic point of view Amit, I would rather you not stress upon these things so as to provide the Government less ammo for defending such control intensive schemes.</p> <p>Another criticism of NREGS has been (and this I happened to see on IEB) that it is just a capital redistribution scheme, now I am not as sure of that though since I do see a possibility of economic output from this if implemented adequately.</p> <p>Anyways, any takes by people on the McKinsey report for the growth of the middle class in the next few years?</p> Amit, Gaurav – I think it’s just a difference in perspective. I am not saying that NREGS is a great plan or that it should have come through. When it came out, I was quite frustrated with it’s obvious political mileage content. But today instead I am coming from the point of view, that now that it is here, I would rather use it as well as I can and maximize what I can get from it. This is still not mutually exclusive from saying that I wont be pro changes in policy and labor laws or accepting that it is a political gimmick, and that better schemes can be brought out. Thus on the issue of minimal government interference for economic growth, I think we are on the same page. And I have already expressed my reservations with it for corruption, the more money these bastards of baburaj have, the more they can exploit it.

At the same time, and I give more credit to the RTI for that, despite where we are with NREGS, a lot can be improved and more power be given to the rural aam aadmi through good monitoring of schemes (social audits, RTIs) and demanding why NREGS is not being implemented in a certain area again through RTI. This is where some of us work in the NREGS sphere. Hence we try to make a less than perfect system a little less imperfect. Again to beat upon a beaten point, this still does not mean that I am pro big government schemes like NREGS. And from a journalistic point of view Amit, I would rather you not stress upon these things so as to provide the Government less ammo for defending such control intensive schemes.

Another criticism of NREGS has been (and this I happened to see on IEB) that it is just a capital redistribution scheme, now I am not as sure of that though since I do see a possibility of economic output from this if implemented adequately.

Anyways, any takes by people on the McKinsey report for the growth of the middle class in the next few years?

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By: Laju K. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174699 Laju K. Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:30:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174699 <p>I think Amit Varma and his wife Jasmine Varma are a wonderful couple. Having a unique opportunity to meet them along with others at Leela's Lounge last evening, I came home encouraged by Amit to keep writing. Thanks, Amit! Laju K. www.lajuk.blogspot.com</p> I think Amit Varma and his wife Jasmine Varma are a wonderful couple. Having a unique opportunity to meet them along with others at Leela’s Lounge last evening, I came home encouraged by Amit to keep writing. Thanks, Amit! Laju K. http://www.lajuk.blogspot.com

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174459 amaun Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:33:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174459 <p>Also, congratulations Amit.</p> Also, congratulations Amit.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174457 amaun Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:27:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174457 <p>NREGA is more sinister than a political gimmick. It is an avenue to strengthen the politician-bureaucrat nexus. Analysing "rural upliftment" programs with a cynical lens gets you the truth almost every time. The congress party is amazingly adept at creating programs without any audit capability such that the grassroots (district level politicians and bureacracy) can skim 80% of the money. The other parties are not much better but they do not have the depth of knowledge that the congress has, having run India for 50 out of 60 years.</p> NREGA is more sinister than a political gimmick. It is an avenue to strengthen the politician-bureaucrat nexus. Analysing “rural upliftment” programs with a cynical lens gets you the truth almost every time. The congress party is amazingly adept at creating programs without any audit capability such that the grassroots (district level politicians and bureacracy) can skim 80% of the money. The other parties are not much better but they do not have the depth of knowledge that the congress has, having run India for 50 out of 60 years.

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By: Gaurav Sabnis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174449 Gaurav Sabnis Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:54:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174449 <p>Ardy, why do you assume that the choice is only between NREGA and government doing "nothing at all"? There is a lot else the government can do that it is not doing. It can revamp the archaic and stifling labor laws, remove the restrictions on farmers selling agricultural land, allow greater private participation in procurement and storage of agricultural products, allow contract farming, and all these things do not need any investment.</p> <p>If they have those billions to spend, and if we assume that the government MUST spend it in rural India, they can invest it all in two simple things - electricity and water.</p> <p>NREGA is nothing but a political gimmick, a lot like padding a resume.</p> Ardy, why do you assume that the choice is only between NREGA and government doing “nothing at all”? There is a lot else the government can do that it is not doing. It can revamp the archaic and stifling labor laws, remove the restrictions on farmers selling agricultural land, allow greater private participation in procurement and storage of agricultural products, allow contract farming, and all these things do not need any investment.

If they have those billions to spend, and if we assume that the government MUST spend it in rural India, they can invest it all in two simple things – electricity and water.

NREGA is nothing but a political gimmick, a lot like padding a resume.

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By: amit varma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174446 amit varma Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:18:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174446 <p>Thanks guys!</p> <p>Ardy, a government policy should not be judged by its intent but by its likely outcome in the real world. I had forecast in an AWSJ piece two years ago that the REGB would fail, and the studies that I cited in my recent piece on it provide ample evidence that exactly that has happened. The REGB has the best intentions and noble aims, but given our system of government, the way the incentives are structured, it cannot work in India.</p> <p>There are far better ways to generate employment in rural India. They all involve the government doing less, not more.</p> Thanks guys!

Ardy, a government policy should not be judged by its intent but by its likely outcome in the real world. I had forecast in an AWSJ piece two years ago that the REGB would fail, and the studies that I cited in my recent piece on it provide ample evidence that exactly that has happened. The REGB has the best intentions and noble aims, but given our system of government, the way the incentives are structured, it cannot work in India.

There are far better ways to generate employment in rural India. They all involve the government doing less, not more.

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By: AfroDesiAc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174417 AfroDesiAc Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:44:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174417 <p>I'm a fan of Amit Varma's India Uncut blog and on many issues an classical economic liberal. That said, I also know that the organization that sponsors the prize is a well-funded corporate lobbying group that is on same side of of every development debate. They are partisan 'policy entrepreneurs'. To take one instance 'International Policy Network' (IPN and affiliates funded by them) have lobbied for the likes of Monsanto in India and their take on TRIPS Trade Related Intellectual Property Rights regimes and pharma patents is blatant corporatism. To be fair they had some sensible positions (though controversial) on the use of DDT against malaria in Africa. See http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=International_Policy_Network for details on the IPN . Full disclosure: I've had a one of the directors teach a guest lecture in my Economics grad program. This is not to take away from Amit Varma's candor as a Hayekian libertarian but it does seem like a writing prize for those who keep their analysis and opinions skewed to that line.</p> I’m a fan of Amit Varma’s India Uncut blog and on many issues an classical economic liberal. That said, I also know that the organization that sponsors the prize is a well-funded corporate lobbying group that is on same side of of every development debate. They are partisan ‘policy entrepreneurs’. To take one instance ‘International Policy Network’ (IPN and affiliates funded by them) have lobbied for the likes of Monsanto in India and their take on TRIPS Trade Related Intellectual Property Rights regimes and pharma patents is blatant corporatism. To be fair they had some sensible positions (though controversial) on the use of DDT against malaria in Africa. See http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=International_Policy_Network for details on the IPN . Full disclosure: I’ve had a one of the directors teach a guest lecture in my Economics grad program. This is not to take away from Amit Varma’s candor as a Hayekian libertarian but it does seem like a writing prize for those who keep their analysis and opinions skewed to that line.

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By: KarmaByte http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174411 KarmaByte Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:19:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174411 <blockquote>corruption can be reduced</blockquote> <p>Given the precedent wouldn't that be a bad bet?</p> corruption can be reduced

Given the precedent wouldn’t that be a bad bet?

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By: Ardy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174287 Ardy Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:40:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174287 <p>Congratulations Amit.</p> <p>Also, I just realized that I completely missed the NREGA post. I work actively in the RTI and NREGA sphere and I would agree that increasing investments in the rural sector would be the best thing to do by the Govt. My biggest problem with NREGA is the scope for corruption, thats what makes it a bad scheme and I would love to see the Govt doing better than this.</p> <p>However, I do like NREGA because it is better than the Govt doing nothing at all. It 'allows' villagers to develop infrastructure they need and get paid for it. It generates this output during the time between agricultural seasons and thus is not a wealth redistribution scheme as alleged by some. With use of RTI along with NREGA and through public audits which is something being tried, corruption can be reduced and thus it has the potential. The problem is villagers don't have the required information to take the fight to the Govt. though they have the tools like RTI. It's not the best solution in the world b far, but it's better than nothing at all.</p> Congratulations Amit.

Also, I just realized that I completely missed the NREGA post. I work actively in the RTI and NREGA sphere and I would agree that increasing investments in the rural sector would be the best thing to do by the Govt. My biggest problem with NREGA is the scope for corruption, thats what makes it a bad scheme and I would love to see the Govt doing better than this.

However, I do like NREGA because it is better than the Govt doing nothing at all. It ‘allows’ villagers to develop infrastructure they need and get paid for it. It generates this output during the time between agricultural seasons and thus is not a wealth redistribution scheme as alleged by some. With use of RTI along with NREGA and through public audits which is something being tried, corruption can be reduced and thus it has the potential. The problem is villagers don’t have the required information to take the fight to the Govt. though they have the tools like RTI. It’s not the best solution in the world b far, but it’s better than nothing at all.

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/25/amit_varma_wins/comment-page-1/#comment-174285 Pravin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:36:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4811#comment-174285 <p>Amit's got a pretty decent blog. I don't know who Mona Chopra is. But there is link to a pretty interesting topless video and an even more interesting interview in MAXIM - INDIA where she talks about an orgy at 16!</p> Amit’s got a pretty decent blog. I don’t know who Mona Chopra is. But there is link to a pretty interesting topless video and an even more interesting interview in MAXIM – INDIA where she talks about an orgy at 16!

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