Comments on: Bobby Makes History

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I have no idea of what to say to that except perhaps it’s an example of the ideas we ascribe or project onto specific people..

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By: Jonathan Masih

Jonathan Masih — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 00:14:58 +0000

I just want to say is all you liberals were wrong about Jindal. He is doing a fine job in Louisiana.

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By: HMF

HMF — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:32:13 +0000

I have no idea of what to say to that except perhaps it's an example of the ideas we ascribe or project onto specific people/groups.

Exactly. how far is this "ascribing" or "projection" from the expectation of certain behavior based on a shared experience?

By: Camille

Camille — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:52:18 +0000

Manju, I probably fall in between on the cultural relativism argument. I don't think that certain ideologies/outlooks are intrinsically universal (social/historical context, etc., etc.), but I do think there's a propensity to align specific concepts of organizational and group behavior (or systems, e.g. the "market") with a region, political outlook, etc. There are times when this is appropriate, and times when it is not. In short, I vote for the "personal politics are complex and informed by many interacting streams" argument.

actually, i think i thought you were black at one point camille. i forgot why. just goes to show...

I have no idea of what to say to that except perhaps it's an example of the ideas we ascribe or project onto specific people/groups.

By: nala

nala — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:57:00 +0000

also, if you’re saying that Louisiana elected Bobby because he fits their ‘culturalism,’ how does that not have to do with him being a conservative Christian?? (sorry, I’m trying to write a paper but I keep clicking back to this comment, I’m really trying to make sense of your argument here)

By: nala

nala — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:36:53 +0000

oh and I’m really really trying to make sense of your comment, and I guess where we really disagree is that I don’t think racism can be so easily divorced from ‘culturalism.’

By: nala

nala — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:16:14 +0000

ok I read over your comment again, and I guess where we differ is that I simply don’t think that racism can be divorced from its social context of class/historical context/etc., and I don’t think the significance of Jindal’s victory can be looked at without looking at it in context. And I think it’s mighty presumptuous of you to take one brown Governor as an example that America as a whole is no longer baselessly racist.

By: nala

nala — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:06:49 +0000

Nala, I think you have to really identify what ‘Racism’ is before you can use it to describe a society. In one sense, Jindal’s victory IS over racism. The fact that he is not ‘black’ or not impoverished, or that he is a conservative Christian is irrelevent. You can’t equate culturalism with racism….for example I could hate all Muslims, but that doesn’t make me racist in one bit. In fact when people call people like Jindal or Obama too ‘white,’ they are actually being racist. The most obscene type of racism is when it is regardless of cultural identity, class status or access to power. I think Jinda’s victory and others like it are a clear sign that America is pretty much over this type.

you have go to be kidding me! moreover, you have got to be kidding yourself if you think the facts that Jindal is not ‘black’ (I don’t know why that’s in quotation marks), comes from a rich background, and is a conservative Christian are irrelevant to his winning (and even him running for Governor in the first place)! He was probably considered ‘not like us’ when he last ran for governor and lost, but obviously something changed in Louisiana since then to make him electable by former David Duke/Kathleen Blanco voters (or maybe the opposition just sucked too much). Also, I’m not really sure why I’m getting this lecture… when did I ever talk about racism to describe a society? I said that Louisiana’s got race problems. That’s just too obvious to not see. I do agree with you that Jindal’s victory could be seen as ‘victory over racism’ — but only for one conservative Christian brown person, not for all minorities! — and I’ve tried to make sense of the rest of your comment, but it’s not working, and I don’t think it’s on my account.