Comments on: Sheikh Abdullah and Kashmir 1947-1948 (Guha Chapter 4) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-234190 Varun Shekhar Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:28:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-234190 <p>buena guy, Kashmir has been culturally associated with the rest of India for at least 2,000 years, long before the advent of Islam and Moslem invasions. And it's simply not even true that Kashmir is or was an overwhelmingly Moslem majority state; there are large minorities of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, though many Hindus were forced to leave the area, and not just after 1990. There's another issue here as well, which you and others are missing. Namely, the nature of the movement. The Kashmir separatist movement is about nothing except religious hatred and ethno-chauvinism. There is no elevating, enriching, visionary quality about, something that would make people the world over, including in India itself, really be touched and moved to the extent of giving it a degree of moral support. It's simply a reactive "anti" type movement and cause. That won't do for this day and age.</p> buena guy, Kashmir has been culturally associated with the rest of India for at least 2,000 years, long before the advent of Islam and Moslem invasions. And it’s simply not even true that Kashmir is or was an overwhelmingly Moslem majority state; there are large minorities of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, though many Hindus were forced to leave the area, and not just after 1990. There’s another issue here as well, which you and others are missing. Namely, the nature of the movement. The Kashmir separatist movement is about nothing except religious hatred and ethno-chauvinism. There is no elevating, enriching, visionary quality about, something that would make people the world over, including in India itself, really be touched and moved to the extent of giving it a degree of moral support. It’s simply a reactive “anti” type movement and cause. That won’t do for this day and age.

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By: buena guy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-216984 buena guy Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:29:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-216984 <p>In the case of Kashmir our Indian nation lived a massive lie and all our adherence to Sanatana Dharma was tested and we failed. The accession was to be based on population majority not what the whims of local Maharajas decree . In refusing to allow Kashmir to accede to Pakistan we acted out of greed and selfishness not out of truth and Justice and we actually refused to accept the principle on which Pakistan was founded laying ground for decades of strife which hurt both coutries immensely. Kashmir was large a body of land with overwhelming Muslim majority that was contigous to Pakistan and rightfully belonged to Pakistan based on the priciple on which the two countries were created . .The Dogra Maharaja did not own it and by any measure of truth should not have had any say in it. We are one nation in the world that must live by truth no matter what the cost .Its this quality of Bharat that has kept its spiritual culture alive the longest in history . Our spiritaully short sighted leaders failed terribly in the matter of Kashmir . Kashmir was beautiful and strategic and we acted out of attachment to it but attachment to truth would have been higher and nobler and we would have never lost in the long run.</p> In the case of Kashmir our Indian nation lived a massive lie and all our adherence to Sanatana Dharma was tested and we failed. The accession was to be based on population majority not what the whims of local Maharajas decree . In refusing to allow Kashmir to accede to Pakistan we acted out of greed and selfishness not out of truth and Justice and we actually refused to accept the principle on which Pakistan was founded laying ground for decades of strife which hurt both coutries immensely. Kashmir was large a body of land with overwhelming Muslim majority that was contigous to Pakistan and rightfully belonged to Pakistan based on the priciple on which the two countries were created . .The Dogra Maharaja did not own it and by any measure of truth should not have had any say in it. We are one nation in the world that must live by truth no matter what the cost .Its this quality of Bharat that has kept its spiritual culture alive the longest in history . Our spiritaully short sighted leaders failed terribly in the matter of Kashmir . Kashmir was beautiful and strategic and we acted out of attachment to it but attachment to truth would have been higher and nobler and we would have never lost in the long run.

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By: showkat anwar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-211870 showkat anwar Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:34:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-211870 <p>yes,indian says that kashmir is the integral part & crown of india,but at this the india goverment did not take any pain to save the precious livies of kashmiri inocent people .so we very such intelligent people got proof of these words when india says "we need kashmir , not kashmiri people". Remenber these words ,that kashmir is not the gold for india as well as the world ,but kashmiri hands are gold ,which make whole kashmir as gold. so respect and save these gold hands ,so that,these hand will make india as a golden colour ,but not gold.</p> yes,indian says that kashmir is the integral part & crown of india,but at this the india goverment did not take any pain to save the precious livies of kashmiri inocent people .so we very such intelligent people got proof of these words when india says “we need kashmir , not kashmiri people”. Remenber these words ,that kashmir is not the gold for india as well as the world ,but kashmiri hands are gold ,which make whole kashmir as gold. so respect and save these gold hands ,so that,these hand will make india as a golden colour ,but not gold.

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By: BASHIR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-211868 BASHIR Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:39:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-211868 <p>I think the prevealing situatation in j & k shows the broad vission of Ali Mohammad Jenha when he said " that hindus and muslims are two differant nations,because both have differant in religious ,culture,taste,dress etc..."but allas ! the leadership of india in genral & Sheikh Abdullah in perticular did not understand.....</p> I think the prevealing situatation in j & k shows the broad vission of Ali Mohammad Jenha when he said ” that hindus and muslims are two differant nations,because both have differant in religious ,culture,taste,dress etc…”but allas ! the leadership of india in genral & Sheikh Abdullah in perticular did not understand…..

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By: bashir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-210438 bashir Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:28:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-210438 <p>It's nonsence,misunderstanding,propaganda about the reality of kashmir.so for as the reality is concerned..kashmir was never the part of india and kashmiries will never like to be the part of india...It is the bloody SHEIKH ABDHLLA who is wholley responsible for the issue in perticular and all mainstream politicians in genral.</p> <pre><code> It is the mainstream politiations who play duel and devil policy and they befools the people of india in Delhi </code></pre> It’s nonsence,misunderstanding,propaganda about the reality of kashmir.so for as the reality is concerned..kashmir was never the part of india and kashmiries will never like to be the part of india…It is the bloody SHEIKH ABDHLLA who is wholley responsible for the issue in perticular and all mainstream politicians in genral.

          It is the mainstream politiations who play duel and devil policy and they befools the people of india in Delhi 
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By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-207600 Varun Shekhar Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:30:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-207600 <p>The equation between the Tamil Tigers and Islamic terrorists armed and supported by Pakistan is wholly false. First, the Tamil issue is esentially one of persistent discrimination by the Sinhalese majority, though it has improved in recent years. Second, the Tamil question is localised, secular, and nation specific. Islamic terror is transnational and ideological; it has nothing to do with issues of 'oppression' or displacement or linguistic discrimination. It wouldn't matter if a country were pefectly secular, whatever that means in real terms. Islamic terrorists would still hold it as a crime that there are Moslems living under what they consider infidel rule.</p> The equation between the Tamil Tigers and Islamic terrorists armed and supported by Pakistan is wholly false. First, the Tamil issue is esentially one of persistent discrimination by the Sinhalese majority, though it has improved in recent years. Second, the Tamil question is localised, secular, and nation specific. Islamic terror is transnational and ideological; it has nothing to do with issues of ‘oppression’ or displacement or linguistic discrimination. It wouldn’t matter if a country were pefectly secular, whatever that means in real terms. Islamic terrorists would still hold it as a crime that there are Moslems living under what they consider infidel rule.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-184386 boston_mahesh Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:16:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-184386 <p><b>Although Kashmiris are said to be the true specimen of Aryan race, yet the last authoritative word about their origin has not been said so far. Scholars are divided on the question of the ancestory of Kashmiris. However, many Western and Indian scholars have argued that Kashmiri Pandits, without any doubt, belong to Aryan race. Pandit Anand Koul says, "it is certain that it (Kashmir) was a colony of Aryan immigrants from Central Asia. Their features and fair complexion be speak them of the inner Aryan race''. Thompson is of the view that the Aryans were a long headed race of tall stature with narrow noses and fair complexion. Their purest representatives are found today mainly in Kashmir. Monier Williams declared the Kashmiri Pandits as the finest type of Aryan race. George Campbell says that the Kashmiris are quite <i>High-Aryan </i>in the type of their features - very fair and handsome, with high chiselled features, and <i>no trace of inter-mixture of the blood of any lower race.</i> </b></p> <p>Hey guys,</p> <p>Here's some information that I found on koausa.org . Their blood is apparently "pure" and "superior" to us all.</p> Although Kashmiris are said to be the true specimen of Aryan race, yet the last authoritative word about their origin has not been said so far. Scholars are divided on the question of the ancestory of Kashmiris. However, many Western and Indian scholars have argued that Kashmiri Pandits, without any doubt, belong to Aryan race. Pandit Anand Koul says, “it is certain that it (Kashmir) was a colony of Aryan immigrants from Central Asia. Their features and fair complexion be speak them of the inner Aryan race”. Thompson is of the view that the Aryans were a long headed race of tall stature with narrow noses and fair complexion. Their purest representatives are found today mainly in Kashmir. Monier Williams declared the Kashmiri Pandits as the finest type of Aryan race. George Campbell says that the Kashmiris are quite High-Aryan in the type of their features – very fair and handsome, with high chiselled features, and no trace of inter-mixture of the blood of any lower race.

Hey guys,

Here’s some information that I found on koausa.org . Their blood is apparently “pure” and “superior” to us all.

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By: ptr_vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-173068 ptr_vivek Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:58:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-173068 <p>I didn't see the original comment, but that's mighty kind of you, Amardeep!</p> <p>But if we dish it (and we do), we should take it too.</p> I didn’t see the original comment, but that’s mighty kind of you, Amardeep!

But if we dish it (and we do), we should take it too.

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-173065 Amardeep Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:39:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-173065 <p>I deleted it -- it contained a gratuitous insult (as I recall, it referred to Pass the Roti bloggers as "crazies").</p> <p>At any rate, if there is a PTR post that relates to Sheikh Abdullah or Kashmir I'd be happy to see a link to it.</p> I deleted it — it contained a gratuitous insult (as I recall, it referred to Pass the Roti bloggers as “crazies”).

At any rate, if there is a PTR post that relates to Sheikh Abdullah or Kashmir I’d be happy to see a link to it.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/17/sheikh_abdullah_1/comment-page-3/#comment-173064 A N N A Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:31:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4797#comment-173064 <blockquote>wasn't there a comment which linked to passthroti website? moderators deleted them??</blockquote> <p>I am not moderating this thread, so I'm not sure what comment you are referencing, but we usually only delete comments which violate our comment policy.</p> wasn’t there a comment which linked to passthroti website? moderators deleted them??

I am not moderating this thread, so I’m not sure what comment you are referencing, but we usually only delete comments which violate our comment policy.

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