Comments on: Along With Al Gore, Rajendra Pachauri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MAHESHG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-188279 MAHESHG Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:15:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-188279 <p>r we thinking bout our kids and babies after 30 years ...just commenting bout gore and pachauri...Please accept the Fact and Act....start now at this moment onwardss.....regards n Luv MAHESHG</p> r we thinking bout our kids and babies after 30 years …just commenting bout gore and pachauri…Please accept the Fact and Act….start now at this moment onwardss…..regards n Luv MAHESHG

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By: alas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171840 alas Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:58:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171840 <p>What about George Sudarshan (1979 and 2005)?</p> <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sudarshan http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510342</p> What about George Sudarshan (1979 and 2005)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sudarshan http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510342

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By: ylrsings http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171624 ylrsings Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:35:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171624 <p>my sister's boss (she lived in india for a summer) when she studied energy at Tata was pachauri. so that makes me just a few degrees separated from a nobel prize winner...and six degrees away from kevin bacon.</p> my sister’s boss (she lived in india for a summer) when she studied energy at Tata was pachauri. so that makes me just a few degrees separated from a nobel prize winner…and six degrees away from kevin bacon.

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By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171616 chachaji Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:17:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171616 <p><b>WGiiA</b> @55, <b>cc </b> @62 and 64, you make good points.</p> <p>The way I see it - it still makes sense for Gore to get it, if the Prize raises his prestige so high as the highest-profile person in the US (and the world) arguing for climate change to be taken seriously, and for something to be done about it - that the whole center of gravity of the debate in the US also changes - in the direction of what the IPCC and the Nobel committee would like it to.</p> <p>As a general comment, I am less enamored of people and companies trying to make money from intermediating global emissions quotas and permits <i>trading</i> regimes - and much more of companies <i>developing</i> long-term adaptation and mitigation technologies, and yes, even those companies who are thinking of creative ways of <i>reversing</i> climate change.</p> WGiiA @55, cc @62 and 64, you make good points.

The way I see it – it still makes sense for Gore to get it, if the Prize raises his prestige so high as the highest-profile person in the US (and the world) arguing for climate change to be taken seriously, and for something to be done about it – that the whole center of gravity of the debate in the US also changes – in the direction of what the IPCC and the Nobel committee would like it to.

As a general comment, I am less enamored of people and companies trying to make money from intermediating global emissions quotas and permits trading regimes – and much more of companies developing long-term adaptation and mitigation technologies, and yes, even those companies who are thinking of creative ways of reversing climate change.

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By: Amit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171614 Amit Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:07:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171614 <p><i>But he's still going around the planet with the title of "Former Vice President" attached to him. You're right. He's not currently an office holder, and his view is in opposition of present government.</i></p> <p>cc, that may be because of the way media works in the US, rather than Gore insisting on being referred to as former Veep. I've observed Clinton being referred to as "President" in the media without fail during the past 6 years, and Madeleine Albright called as Madam Secretary even after she stopped being the Secretary of State. I wouldn't read too much into it or draw some conclusions - that's just the media protocol for former administration members. I think.</p> But he’s still going around the planet with the title of “Former Vice President” attached to him. You’re right. He’s not currently an office holder, and his view is in opposition of present government.

cc, that may be because of the way media works in the US, rather than Gore insisting on being referred to as former Veep. I’ve observed Clinton being referred to as “President” in the media without fail during the past 6 years, and Madeleine Albright called as Madam Secretary even after she stopped being the Secretary of State. I wouldn’t read too much into it or draw some conclusions – that’s just the media protocol for former administration members. I think.

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171612 Whose God is it anyways? Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:52:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171612 <p>cc, you're correct, thanks.</p> cc, you’re correct, thanks.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171609 cc Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:24:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171609 <p>Pedantic point, because I've heard this said everywhere now: Al Gore did NOT win an Oscar earlier this year. His film won, which means the Oscar went to the director. But he didn't win it any more than James MacNamara did for The Fog of War.</p> <p>Just to clear that up.</p> Pedantic point, because I’ve heard this said everywhere now: Al Gore did NOT win an Oscar earlier this year. His film won, which means the Oscar went to the director. But he didn’t win it any more than James MacNamara did for The Fog of War.

Just to clear that up.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171608 Camille Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:24:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171608 <p>cc, I didn't mean to conflate what you wrote with what venkat wrote. I was attempting to respond to both, but I apologize if lumping you together misrepresented you. I also agree with you that there are others who have had a much longer legacy (and more profound impact) on environmentalism.</p> cc, I didn’t mean to conflate what you wrote with what venkat wrote. I was attempting to respond to both, but I apologize if lumping you together misrepresented you. I also agree with you that there are others who have had a much longer legacy (and more profound impact) on environmentalism.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171607 cc Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:20:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171607 <p>Well, the word "white" never left my keyboard, so I don't know why you'd think I might say that.</p> <p>Point taken. "Representative of the U.S. government" was the incorrect thing to say. But he's still going around the planet with the title of "Former Vice President" attached to him. You're right. He's not currently an office holder, and his view is in opposition of present government. But when he makes public appearences, he's still representing his government as an establishment, at least up to a point. Because the prestige of the Nobel Prize rubs off on the position he formerly held, even if the current Vice President isn't a Democrat. It's no different than an entire university sharing in the glory and prestige of a Nobel Prize award in sciences, even if it's only awarded to single member of the university's faculty.</p> <p>My main problem is that on this particular issue, they should have awarded someone other than a famous politician.</p> Well, the word “white” never left my keyboard, so I don’t know why you’d think I might say that.

Point taken. “Representative of the U.S. government” was the incorrect thing to say. But he’s still going around the planet with the title of “Former Vice President” attached to him. You’re right. He’s not currently an office holder, and his view is in opposition of present government. But when he makes public appearences, he’s still representing his government as an establishment, at least up to a point. Because the prestige of the Nobel Prize rubs off on the position he formerly held, even if the current Vice President isn’t a Democrat. It’s no different than an entire university sharing in the glory and prestige of a Nobel Prize award in sciences, even if it’s only awarded to single member of the university’s faculty.

My main problem is that on this particular issue, they should have awarded someone other than a famous politician.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/10/12/along_with_al_g/comment-page-2/#comment-171604 Camille Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:56:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4783#comment-171604 <blockquote>Funny isn't it. The white man screws the environment. And now he wins a nobel prize for it!!!</blockquote> <blockquote>What a joke. The U.S. government has led the way in stalling global warming agreements. So now that the Nobel Commitee has decided to award someone on this issue, it awards a representative of the U.S. government?</blockquote> <p>This is ridiculous. First, Gore is no longer a representative of the U.S. government, just as former President Carter (also a recipient) is no longer a representative of the U.S. government. It's not like the Prize Committee gave an award to President Bush for his so-called "Clean Skies Initiative." Second, while the U.S. disproportionately pollutes and creates waste, Al Gore is not some spectre of "the oppressive white man, dumping carbon dioxide into the skies." Climate change is a human-made problem, and while there are certainly countries who contribute more to the problem, this is not a "white man's" problem or a "white man's" creation (unless you are going to argue that industrialization was a purely "white" phenomena that continues be "whites only").</p> Funny isn’t it. The white man screws the environment. And now he wins a nobel prize for it!!!
What a joke. The U.S. government has led the way in stalling global warming agreements. So now that the Nobel Commitee has decided to award someone on this issue, it awards a representative of the U.S. government?

This is ridiculous. First, Gore is no longer a representative of the U.S. government, just as former President Carter (also a recipient) is no longer a representative of the U.S. government. It’s not like the Prize Committee gave an award to President Bush for his so-called “Clean Skies Initiative.” Second, while the U.S. disproportionately pollutes and creates waste, Al Gore is not some spectre of “the oppressive white man, dumping carbon dioxide into the skies.” Climate change is a human-made problem, and while there are certainly countries who contribute more to the problem, this is not a “white man’s” problem or a “white man’s” creation (unless you are going to argue that industrialization was a purely “white” phenomena that continues be “whites only”).

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