Comments on: Radio Bigotry (but not in America this time) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-3/#comment-170482 Vivek Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:30:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-170482 <p>Hi all, good to see such a long trail of comments on this incident. I was actually a bit late entry into this controversy as a whole due to lack of time to follow outer world. Anyways, personally I feel that first of all any kind of violence has become a usual affair in India. I admit that a racist comment was passed but does that give anybody a right to destroy public property for which we all Indians pay as Taxes? I mean, even I had paid for those public properties thru taxes which rioters destroyed ;P. But actually yes, we all paid for them!!! So, actually all those protesters should first of all be arrested. Secondly, I would want everyone to recall that this RJ Nitin was the guy who started a public movement in favour of Jassica Lal who was murdered and people involved were released with full respect by the court. Before I preoceed further, can I ask all those rioters that where were they when this wrong verdict was passed by the court??? Sleeping peacefully in their home, right or am I wrong? Anyways, this guy started the PEACEFUL movement (UNLIKE THIS PROTEST) and it was well recognised and Jassica Lal murder case was reopened and murders were finally punnished :). Above mentioned PEACEFUL protest was not the only one that this guy was involved in; RJs like him have been involved here in Delhi in other Public Interest protests (all those living in Delhi would agree to me). Besides, RJs of all Radio programmes keep commenting on celebrities and other individuals which are always taken in stride and considered as humorous. If like this, each of the celebrities' fans were to protest, this country would have been a dead country. What I want to suggest here is that this matter, although, involves a racist remark and is wrong on Part RJ Nitin to pass such a comment, still I feel that this issue could have been resolved with an apology from Nitin. If we have to resolve all issues with violent protests, this country would be burnt in a single day. Lets decide what we want as I also have several reasons to be publically violent and destroy public property.</p> Hi all, good to see such a long trail of comments on this incident. I was actually a bit late entry into this controversy as a whole due to lack of time to follow outer world. Anyways, personally I feel that first of all any kind of violence has become a usual affair in India. I admit that a racist comment was passed but does that give anybody a right to destroy public property for which we all Indians pay as Taxes? I mean, even I had paid for those public properties thru taxes which rioters destroyed ;P. But actually yes, we all paid for them!!! So, actually all those protesters should first of all be arrested. Secondly, I would want everyone to recall that this RJ Nitin was the guy who started a public movement in favour of Jassica Lal who was murdered and people involved were released with full respect by the court. Before I preoceed further, can I ask all those rioters that where were they when this wrong verdict was passed by the court??? Sleeping peacefully in their home, right or am I wrong? Anyways, this guy started the PEACEFUL movement (UNLIKE THIS PROTEST) and it was well recognised and Jassica Lal murder case was reopened and murders were finally punnished :) . Above mentioned PEACEFUL protest was not the only one that this guy was involved in; RJs like him have been involved here in Delhi in other Public Interest protests (all those living in Delhi would agree to me). Besides, RJs of all Radio programmes keep commenting on celebrities and other individuals which are always taken in stride and considered as humorous. If like this, each of the celebrities’ fans were to protest, this country would have been a dead country. What I want to suggest here is that this matter, although, involves a racist remark and is wrong on Part RJ Nitin to pass such a comment, still I feel that this issue could have been resolved with an apology from Nitin. If we have to resolve all issues with violent protests, this country would be burnt in a single day. Lets decide what we want as I also have several reasons to be publically violent and destroy public property.

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By: fallen jhumki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-3/#comment-169642 fallen jhumki Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:56:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169642 <p>yea i cant spelllllll.....sorry :/</p> yea i cant spelllllll…..sorry :/

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By: fallen jhumki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-3/#comment-169641 fallen jhumki Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:52:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169641 <p>You know i don't understand why it is such a big deal. I don't understand why pakistan, nepal, bangladesh, india, and sri lanka aren't part of ONE UNION. I mean we are all "desis" and yes there are differences in our race/culture/religion etc. but in india those differences are there ANYWAYS. like in Punjab most ppl r jatts, practice sikhism(?), and speak punjabi. In kerala most ppl are dravidian, are catholics, and speak malyalam. But there are these common characteristics that indn ppl have that set us apart from other nations and i think other south asian countries share those characteristics with us, indians. Boundries, Govt, and Govt. leaders are a bunch of bull.</p> <p>I say i am right. i have evidence. Udit Narayan a singer of Nepali origin has made himself a part of mainstream indian music with his extraordinary talent. this wouldnt have been so easily done if he was chinese or european EVEN if he could handle the accent and sing it very well. And even with my fingers and toes i couldn't count the number of pakistanis well recognized in mainstream indian culture.</p> <p>and no abhi south indians aren't smart because they eat fish or whatever :D thats just really funny. There is this supersmart boy in my school who is North Indian and 100% percent vegitarian :]. and being a southie myself i kno some really smart south indians (some family members & others) and about 70% of them are vegitarian. and one more thing South indians in general aren't really that big on eating fish. The sea food capitals of india are kerala, Goa, and Bengal. Only Kerala being in the south.</p> You know i don’t understand why it is such a big deal. I don’t understand why pakistan, nepal, bangladesh, india, and sri lanka aren’t part of ONE UNION. I mean we are all “desis” and yes there are differences in our race/culture/religion etc. but in india those differences are there ANYWAYS. like in Punjab most ppl r jatts, practice sikhism(?), and speak punjabi. In kerala most ppl are dravidian, are catholics, and speak malyalam. But there are these common characteristics that indn ppl have that set us apart from other nations and i think other south asian countries share those characteristics with us, indians. Boundries, Govt, and Govt. leaders are a bunch of bull.

I say i am right. i have evidence. Udit Narayan a singer of Nepali origin has made himself a part of mainstream indian music with his extraordinary talent. this wouldnt have been so easily done if he was chinese or european EVEN if he could handle the accent and sing it very well. And even with my fingers and toes i couldn’t count the number of pakistanis well recognized in mainstream indian culture.

and no abhi south indians aren’t smart because they eat fish or whatever :D thats just really funny. There is this supersmart boy in my school who is North Indian and 100% percent vegitarian :]. and being a southie myself i kno some really smart south indians (some family members & others) and about 70% of them are vegitarian. and one more thing South indians in general aren’t really that big on eating fish. The sea food capitals of india are kerala, Goa, and Bengal. Only Kerala being in the south.

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By: sin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169439 sin Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:39:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169439 <blockquote>Indians are mean very mean</blockquote> <p>this is a stupid generalization (as stupid as the generalization/stereotype implied about the singer); stupidity and childishness galore(with stupidity and ignorance begetting more of the same) , what else is new?</p> Indians are mean very mean

this is a stupid generalization (as stupid as the generalization/stereotype implied about the singer); stupidity and childishness galore(with stupidity and ignorance begetting more of the same) , what else is new?

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By: raja pun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169413 raja pun Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:25:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169413 <p><u>now this is very clear they can not see the success of any minority!!!</u></p> <p><i>how can Indians forget the blood of Neplease......they fought for Indian in 1948, 1962, 1965, 1971, and 1999 (Kargil).</p> <p>I have seen lots of dead bodyies coming to Nepal from kargil</i></p> <p><b>Indians are mean very mean</b></p> now this is very clear they can not see the success of any minority!!!

how can Indians forget the blood of Neplease……they fought for Indian in 1948, 1962, 1965, 1971, and 1999 (Kargil).

I have seen lots of dead bodyies coming to Nepal from kargil

Indians are mean very mean

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By: Aqua http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169412 Aqua Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:19:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169412 <p>DizzyDesi / Ankur: "Does the particular comment touch a raw nerve ?" Oh-yes-it-blooming-does!!!!!! This contest was not "just" a singing contest for the people in Darjeeling and Nepalis of Indian origin. It marked their entry and footprint into mainland India. The RJ's insensitive comments only brought home the fact that no matter how many brave Gorkha soldiers fight on the borders defending India, no matter how many Nepalis live and work in Corporate India, they will always be considered as "watchmen" and "bahadur" in India. I noticed how one commentor above ended his comment with "Gee Shabgee". Q.E.D.</p> <p>I am not a Nepali but I fully support the Nepali community's reaction to RJ Nitin/Johnathan Brady's comments on air. Isn't this the same Sepia Mutiny where "Apu's character in the Simpsons was discussed with much debate and outrage. In America, when the Simpsons had an Indian character/caricature named “Apu”, the desi community roared in protest against this blatant stereotyping of Indians in America. The producers of “the simpsons” claimed that apu was funny and not meant to degrade the indian community. I don't think many Indians found it "funny" then.</p> <p>The same thing has been done to Prashant and Nepalis in India. they have every right to be outraged IMO.</p> <p>An RJ’s job is a very responsible one because of its reach. Radio has the power to reach millions of people. Hence should a voice that smacks of racial stereotyping and intolerance against other cultures pervade the airwaves, it will only seed, awaken and fuel such feelings of intolerance and ignorance among the unfortunate listeners of RJ Nitin.</p> <p>As educated and secular citizens of India, I expect everyone to feel similar outrage at RJ Nitin's comments.</p> DizzyDesi / Ankur: “Does the particular comment touch a raw nerve ?” Oh-yes-it-blooming-does!!!!!! This contest was not “just” a singing contest for the people in Darjeeling and Nepalis of Indian origin. It marked their entry and footprint into mainland India. The RJ’s insensitive comments only brought home the fact that no matter how many brave Gorkha soldiers fight on the borders defending India, no matter how many Nepalis live and work in Corporate India, they will always be considered as “watchmen” and “bahadur” in India. I noticed how one commentor above ended his comment with “Gee Shabgee”. Q.E.D.

I am not a Nepali but I fully support the Nepali community’s reaction to RJ Nitin/Johnathan Brady’s comments on air. Isn’t this the same Sepia Mutiny where “Apu’s character in the Simpsons was discussed with much debate and outrage. In America, when the Simpsons had an Indian character/caricature named “Apu”, the desi community roared in protest against this blatant stereotyping of Indians in America. The producers of “the simpsons” claimed that apu was funny and not meant to degrade the indian community. I don’t think many Indians found it “funny” then.

The same thing has been done to Prashant and Nepalis in India. they have every right to be outraged IMO.

An RJ’s job is a very responsible one because of its reach. Radio has the power to reach millions of people. Hence should a voice that smacks of racial stereotyping and intolerance against other cultures pervade the airwaves, it will only seed, awaken and fuel such feelings of intolerance and ignorance among the unfortunate listeners of RJ Nitin.

As educated and secular citizens of India, I expect everyone to feel similar outrage at RJ Nitin’s comments.

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By: Tara Watabe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169391 Tara Watabe Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:58:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169391 <blockquote> I was in a large middle-class gathering, dressed in a sari, when an Indian girl elbowed me roughly to get me out of the way, then elbowed my (white) bf (who was in kurta-pyjama). Suddenly she stopped, turned around, looked at him and smiled apologetically. 'I'm so sorry,' she said in impeccable English, then wafted away. It was like brown skin could be shoved with impunity</blockquote> <p>Well, it's common for us to shove each other, it's in the culture so no need to be formal and say "sorry" in most circumstances. However, we know that non-Indians find such behaviour rude so then we say sorry. Other Indians in general do not find the behaviour rude. We are used to it.</p> I was in a large middle-class gathering, dressed in a sari, when an Indian girl elbowed me roughly to get me out of the way, then elbowed my (white) bf (who was in kurta-pyjama). Suddenly she stopped, turned around, looked at him and smiled apologetically. ‘I’m so sorry,’ she said in impeccable English, then wafted away. It was like brown skin could be shoved with impunity

Well, it’s common for us to shove each other, it’s in the culture so no need to be formal and say “sorry” in most circumstances. However, we know that non-Indians find such behaviour rude so then we say sorry. Other Indians in general do not find the behaviour rude. We are used to it.

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169367 Samir Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:38:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169367 <p>Darjeeling is not part of Nepal. Darjeeling is part of Sikkim. First return Darjeeling to Sikkim.</p> <p>Darjeeling is part of West Bengal today</p> Darjeeling is not part of Nepal. Darjeeling is part of Sikkim. First return Darjeeling to Sikkim.

Darjeeling is part of West Bengal today

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169363 Whose God is it anyways? Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:43:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169363 <p>"Saris are like dhotis or lungis, not traditionally sexy, but can be, depending on how they are worn. Bollywood films make them all look sexy. Ordinary day to day wear in India does not."</p> <p>not true. what is "traditionally" sexy? by whose standards? east or west? bollywood or non-bollywood? everyone has their own idea of what sexy is. depends how you define sexy. i've seen indian women who wear the sari in the "traditional" fashion get loads of compliments from westerners on how sexy - and that's exactly the word they use -- and alluring it is. sexy doesn't have to mean exposing more flesh or less or tying it in what is considered a more "sexy" manner. it's all how you present it and how you look in it.</p> <p>"A girl in jeans indicates that she doesn't think that tradition applies to her. It means that she doesn't think that the girl should respect her parents, or stay with them until marraige. It means that she wants to be seen on an equal footing with men, and she wants the same rights as men, including the right to go out alone in public, live by herself, and yes, have sex with whomever she pleases."</p> <p>i think those are rather sweeping generalizations:) i have relatives who wear jeans who think their parents should be respected, who do stay with their parents until marriage and wouldn't dream of doing otherwise, don't really want to live alone etc. and there are women who wear the sari only who want to be on equal footing with men, who want the same rights as men, who want to go out alone in public etc. one doesn't indicate anything more than the other except in the minds of people being forced to make these false distinctions.</p> <p>i think it's really sad when people start equating indian traditional clothing with everything that is "backwards" - even if it isn't backwards - and western clothing with everything that is good or liberated or progressive or whatever. sometimes it's about something as shallow as fashion. you don't have to wear western clothing to either be "progressive" or be seen as "progressive" (swapan dasgupta made a good point about this disturbing falsehood perpetuated by a woman ceo in a fashion magazine in india in a recent column). And certainly not everyone who wears western, so-called "modern" clothing is that "liberal" or "progressive" or knowledgeable about these things.</p> “Saris are like dhotis or lungis, not traditionally sexy, but can be, depending on how they are worn. Bollywood films make them all look sexy. Ordinary day to day wear in India does not.”

not true. what is “traditionally” sexy? by whose standards? east or west? bollywood or non-bollywood? everyone has their own idea of what sexy is. depends how you define sexy. i’ve seen indian women who wear the sari in the “traditional” fashion get loads of compliments from westerners on how sexy – and that’s exactly the word they use — and alluring it is. sexy doesn’t have to mean exposing more flesh or less or tying it in what is considered a more “sexy” manner. it’s all how you present it and how you look in it.

“A girl in jeans indicates that she doesn’t think that tradition applies to her. It means that she doesn’t think that the girl should respect her parents, or stay with them until marraige. It means that she wants to be seen on an equal footing with men, and she wants the same rights as men, including the right to go out alone in public, live by herself, and yes, have sex with whomever she pleases.”

i think those are rather sweeping generalizations:) i have relatives who wear jeans who think their parents should be respected, who do stay with their parents until marriage and wouldn’t dream of doing otherwise, don’t really want to live alone etc. and there are women who wear the sari only who want to be on equal footing with men, who want the same rights as men, who want to go out alone in public etc. one doesn’t indicate anything more than the other except in the minds of people being forced to make these false distinctions.

i think it’s really sad when people start equating indian traditional clothing with everything that is “backwards” – even if it isn’t backwards – and western clothing with everything that is good or liberated or progressive or whatever. sometimes it’s about something as shallow as fashion. you don’t have to wear western clothing to either be “progressive” or be seen as “progressive” (swapan dasgupta made a good point about this disturbing falsehood perpetuated by a woman ceo in a fashion magazine in india in a recent column). And certainly not everyone who wears western, so-called “modern” clothing is that “liberal” or “progressive” or knowledgeable about these things.

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By: DQ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/30/radio_bigotry_b/comment-page-2/#comment-169360 DQ Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:28:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4758#comment-169360 <p>Before I get taxed with inconsistency, I should clarify that I've been to India many times and travelled in many incarnations - including Slutty Foreigner (SF) and Desi Devi (DD)...</p> Before I get taxed with inconsistency, I should clarify that I’ve been to India many times and travelled in many incarnations – including Slutty Foreigner (SF) and Desi Devi (DD)…

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