Comments on: Talk Radio Twit Thinks Turbans = Diapers http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-6/#comment-168333 HMF Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:27:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168333 <p>Ever since the civil rights act of 1964, a piece of legislation that had <a href = "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party_and_region">95%</a> of the southern dixiecrats vote against, racists have had to get a bit clever in practicing their craft, which of course includes the recruitment of unsuspecting minorities to do some of their work for them.</p> Ever since the civil rights act of 1964, a piece of legislation that had 95% of the southern dixiecrats vote against, racists have had to get a bit clever in practicing their craft, which of course includes the recruitment of unsuspecting minorities to do some of their work for them.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-6/#comment-168244 Camille Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:05:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168244 <p>Not to backtrack, but Bob Hebert had an interesting commentary on the RNC and African Americans in today's NYT: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/opinion/25herbert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin">The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.</a></p> <p>I thought, in light of our discussion re: South Asian American political affiliations that it offers an interesting perspective on the issue of "racist-pandering" in the RNC.</p> Not to backtrack, but Bob Hebert had an interesting commentary on the RNC and African Americans in today’s NYT: The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.

I thought, in light of our discussion re: South Asian American political affiliations that it offers an interesting perspective on the issue of “racist-pandering” in the RNC.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-6/#comment-168191 Kush Tandon Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:42:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168191 <p><i>Technically 60% of Indian American citizens are DBDs.</i></p> <p>It is even higher, from Stanford website, 83% of Asian Indians are foreign born. Sure, foreign born includes Fiji, Carribean, Africa, and all</p> Technically 60% of Indian American citizens are DBDs.

It is even higher, from Stanford website, 83% of Asian Indians are foreign born. Sure, foreign born includes Fiji, Carribean, Africa, and all

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-6/#comment-168188 melbourne desi Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:50:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168188 <blockquote>so i think we must remember that our data is a tad skewed because your own type will usually let their hair down around you and tell you how they really feel. </blockquote> <p>more true than false. 'Bigoted' comments are quite common in India. But anti- semitism? I daresay that for most DBDs who live in India Jews dont register. If you are in Bombay then one is aware of Jews. Rest of India - I doubt it.</p> <p>Is it easier to deal with a racist who is vocal about their thoughts than with a racist who controls their speech? At least in the former one knows where one stands.</p> <blockquote>"If you're immigrating to this country and you don't like the rules that are in place, then you have the right to choose not to live here.'' He goes on to say, "But if you choose to come to a place like Canada, then shut up and fit in … these are the rules. There's the door. If you don't like the rules, hit it. We don't need you here. You have another place to go: It's called home. See ya!"</blockquote> <p>hmmm. does not seem to be unreasonable.</p> <blockquote>I suggest we build a lexicon of jolly and punchy labels against the Anglo racists and rightwingers.How about it?</blockquote> <p>Tamil words - Dhorey, Aapakaara, Aapaakaari Malayalam - Paringi, Saayippu. It is often the tone rather than the actual word that is insulting.</p> <blockquote>i had a lebanese american friend who was often called "sand n*gger", and she would respond to some of her taunters "like jesus."</blockquote> <p>wow what a comeback.</p> so i think we must remember that our data is a tad skewed because your own type will usually let their hair down around you and tell you how they really feel.

more true than false. ‘Bigoted’ comments are quite common in India. But anti- semitism? I daresay that for most DBDs who live in India Jews dont register. If you are in Bombay then one is aware of Jews. Rest of India – I doubt it.

Is it easier to deal with a racist who is vocal about their thoughts than with a racist who controls their speech? At least in the former one knows where one stands.

“If you’re immigrating to this country and you don’t like the rules that are in place, then you have the right to choose not to live here.” He goes on to say, “But if you choose to come to a place like Canada, then shut up and fit in … these are the rules. There’s the door. If you don’t like the rules, hit it. We don’t need you here. You have another place to go: It’s called home. See ya!”

hmmm. does not seem to be unreasonable.

I suggest we build a lexicon of jolly and punchy labels against the Anglo racists and rightwingers.How about it?

Tamil words – Dhorey, Aapakaara, Aapaakaari Malayalam – Paringi, Saayippu. It is often the tone rather than the actual word that is insulting.

i had a lebanese american friend who was often called “sand n*gger”, and she would respond to some of her taunters “like jesus.”

wow what a comeback.

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-6/#comment-168187 razib_the_atheist Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:39:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168187 <p><i>these days are so crazy that someone with your level of engagement yet detached rationality, coupled with high IQ, could clean up--take the suggestion for what it's worth--it's just coming from me, but I'm pretty sure it's true.</i></p> <p>i have an interest in historical population genetics, so you might seem me wander into that area in the near future ;-) but two points</p> <p>1) re: me, i'm bad at languages. a scholar dependent on secondary sources is at a disadvantage in the <b>game</b> of the academy</p> <p>2) in the natural sciences we ultimately cede ground to lady nature. i am not totally unconvinced that the sclerotic machinery of human social evolution hasn't suborned the humane studies to the point where fidelity to the Truth wouldn't be a handicap! but perhaps i should have more faith!</p> these days are so crazy that someone with your level of engagement yet detached rationality, coupled with high IQ, could clean up–take the suggestion for what it’s worth–it’s just coming from me, but I’m pretty sure it’s true.

i have an interest in historical population genetics, so you might seem me wander into that area in the near future ;-) but two points

1) re: me, i’m bad at languages. a scholar dependent on secondary sources is at a disadvantage in the game of the academy

2) in the natural sciences we ultimately cede ground to lady nature. i am not totally unconvinced that the sclerotic machinery of human social evolution hasn’t suborned the humane studies to the point where fidelity to the Truth wouldn’t be a handicap! but perhaps i should have more faith!

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-5/#comment-168185 rob Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:37:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168185 <p>razib, my point is that most (professional) historians, social scientists, law professors, etc. these days are so crazy that someone with your level of engagement yet detached rationality, coupled with high IQ, could <i>clean up</i>--take the suggestion for what it's worth--it's just coming from me, but I'm pretty sure it's true.</p> razib, my point is that most (professional) historians, social scientists, law professors, etc. these days are so crazy that someone with your level of engagement yet detached rationality, coupled with high IQ, could clean up–take the suggestion for what it’s worth–it’s just coming from me, but I’m pretty sure it’s true.

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-5/#comment-168183 razib_the_atheist Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:31:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168183 <p><i>pick a weak (academically speaking--i.e.,at the professorial level) field, like <b>law</b>!</i></p> <p>"a mind is a terrible thing to waste" :=)</p> pick a weak (academically speaking–i.e.,at the professorial level) field, like law!

“a mind is a terrible thing to waste” :=)

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By: razib_the_atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-5/#comment-168182 razib_the_atheist Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:30:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168182 <p>rob, my primary interest is in evolutionary biology. my historical interests are a sidelight. as for the facts i reported, they don't require any deep research. e.g., if you read "pop kabbalah" closely there are hints of pretty nasty attitudes toward gentiles if you know the historical context, so just follow the bibliography and you'll find some shocking stuff.</p> <p>(this is not to imply of course that most jews believe that the lives of non-jews are without worth or value. there is some nasty material in the new testament about jews which obviously does not reflect the attitudes of most contemporary christians. historical context matters)</p> rob, my primary interest is in evolutionary biology. my historical interests are a sidelight. as for the facts i reported, they don’t require any deep research. e.g., if you read “pop kabbalah” closely there are hints of pretty nasty attitudes toward gentiles if you know the historical context, so just follow the bibliography and you’ll find some shocking stuff.

(this is not to imply of course that most jews believe that the lives of non-jews are without worth or value. there is some nasty material in the new testament about jews which obviously does not reflect the attitudes of most contemporary christians. historical context matters)

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-5/#comment-168180 rob Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:29:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168180 <p>Heh--to ensure your success, pick a weak (academically speaking--i.e.,at the professorial level) field, like law!</p> Heh–to ensure your success, pick a weak (academically speaking–i.e.,at the professorial level) field, like law!

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/21/talk_radio_twit/comment-page-5/#comment-168178 rob Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:19:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4740#comment-168178 <blockquote>244 · razib_the_atheist chachaji, of course. i've discussed some of that here:</blockquote> <p>razib,</p> <p>I read that--wow--that's really more of a research agenda than a manifesto--you should totally go into academia--you've got a lifetime's worth of interesting topics to work on--and this seems to me (no expert) to be plausible but not established stuff--so unlike so much self-satisfied academic carrying-on. Do it!</p> 244 · razib_the_atheist chachaji, of course. i’ve discussed some of that here:

razib,

I read that–wow–that’s really more of a research agenda than a manifesto–you should totally go into academia–you’ve got a lifetime’s worth of interesting topics to work on–and this seems to me (no expert) to be plausible but not established stuff–so unlike so much self-satisfied academic carrying-on. Do it!

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