Comments on: But what will the community think?! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-184598 Sonika Chaudhary Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:35:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-184598 <p>The desi "no kalas, no muslims" rule springs from I think perceived behaviour of those two groups of people, rather than skin color (in the case of black people).</p> <p>If for instance, black people were world reknowned for their high intellect (like Jews) or for their professionalism, I think the rule would be non-existent. I'm not saying all Jews are neccessarily intellectual geniuses, but the reputation, deserved or not, is there. Similarly, black people also have a certain reputation, deserved or not, as also do Muslims in this day and age. On top of that there is a long-standing, painful history between Muslims and non-Muslims in the Desh which does not help matters much.</p> <p>Many desis are darker than many black people and many of them ending up marrying desi partners of similar shade, so we know that it's not just the color of the skin that put this "rule" into effect. Like Vijay stated above, there is a certain assumption about the culture and way of life of black people that contributes to the prejudice, or which has even created the prejudice to begin with.</p> The desi “no kalas, no muslims” rule springs from I think perceived behaviour of those two groups of people, rather than skin color (in the case of black people).

If for instance, black people were world reknowned for their high intellect (like Jews) or for their professionalism, I think the rule would be non-existent. I’m not saying all Jews are neccessarily intellectual geniuses, but the reputation, deserved or not, is there. Similarly, black people also have a certain reputation, deserved or not, as also do Muslims in this day and age. On top of that there is a long-standing, painful history between Muslims and non-Muslims in the Desh which does not help matters much.

Many desis are darker than many black people and many of them ending up marrying desi partners of similar shade, so we know that it’s not just the color of the skin that put this “rule” into effect. Like Vijay stated above, there is a certain assumption about the culture and way of life of black people that contributes to the prejudice, or which has even created the prejudice to begin with.

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By: Sonika Chaudhary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-184593 Sonika Chaudhary Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:24:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-184593 <p>Padma is not so hot looking. I'd say everyone blogging on SM is at least on par, if not better looking than her, from what the little I've seen.</p> Padma is not so hot looking. I’d say everyone blogging on SM is at least on par, if not better looking than her, from what the little I’ve seen.

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By: naz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-167329 naz Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:54:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-167329 <p>LOL sam, more power to you and your sis! i think the lesson for parents who harbor such feelings is ... silence is golden :)</p> LOL sam, more power to you and your sis! i think the lesson for parents who harbor such feelings is … silence is golden :)

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By: Vijay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-167328 Vijay Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:52:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-167328 <blockquote>Don' bring home a Kala or Muslim.</blockquote> <p>Well, I brought home a Black woman. And sure, they had a heart attack, but I wouldn't have it any other way. We have two sons now, and my parents have calmed down considerably. Her parents were not enthused about their daughter marrying an Indian, especially one who doesn't have a corporate career. Problems regarding our union were mutual; my parents assumed that her parents weren't professional, so my family nearly died when they discovered that her dad was a third generation doctor. Her folks were pleasantly surprised that my family didn't own a 711. Talk about ignorance coming from both families. I think many desis assume that middle and upper-class African Americans do not exist; Of course they do not exist in large numbers, but I nevertheless they exist. Her family get-togethers have been eye-opening; everyone is professional and educated. I feel like the odd one out, but not because of my race.</p> <blockquote>ImNotBeingFunny, for someone who lectures Indians on a color complex, would you care to lecture AA women on all the straighteners , weaves and extensions when they can be black and proud. What is wrong with those 70s Afros?</blockquote> <p>My wife wears a small curly afro from time to time, but she also wears her hair straightened and occasionally with a hair piece. She's just a woman changing her hair when she feels like it, and frequents a <a href="http://afrobella.com">blog</a> about natural hair care. My sisters iron their hair on a regular basis with flat irons, so I don't see much of a difference in my opinion; just women expressing their female beauty. My wife is proud to be Black, and her hair is just a part of her, just like her race is just a part of her.</p> Don’ bring home a Kala or Muslim.

Well, I brought home a Black woman. And sure, they had a heart attack, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. We have two sons now, and my parents have calmed down considerably. Her parents were not enthused about their daughter marrying an Indian, especially one who doesn’t have a corporate career. Problems regarding our union were mutual; my parents assumed that her parents weren’t professional, so my family nearly died when they discovered that her dad was a third generation doctor. Her folks were pleasantly surprised that my family didn’t own a 711. Talk about ignorance coming from both families. I think many desis assume that middle and upper-class African Americans do not exist; Of course they do not exist in large numbers, but I nevertheless they exist. Her family get-togethers have been eye-opening; everyone is professional and educated. I feel like the odd one out, but not because of my race.

ImNotBeingFunny, for someone who lectures Indians on a color complex, would you care to lecture AA women on all the straighteners , weaves and extensions when they can be black and proud. What is wrong with those 70s Afros?

My wife wears a small curly afro from time to time, but she also wears her hair straightened and occasionally with a hair piece. She’s just a woman changing her hair when she feels like it, and frequents a blog about natural hair care. My sisters iron their hair on a regular basis with flat irons, so I don’t see much of a difference in my opinion; just women expressing their female beauty. My wife is proud to be Black, and her hair is just a part of her, just like her race is just a part of her.

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By: Sam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-167232 Sam Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:51:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-167232 <p>Interesting thread. I suppose I'm going to be a the desi half of a brown-black couple since my fiance is African American...and we'll have (God-willing) beautiful "half-breed" dark brown children with curly hair :-)</p> <p>Oh,...and Anna, I too was told not to bring home a "kala" (karamban, in malu-speak) or a "puerto rican" or a "hindu" (being raised in a Catholic home).... Needless to say, my folks are pissed...and to top it off, my sister married a Hindu! Aeyooo...What to do, yaar?</p> Interesting thread. I suppose I’m going to be a the desi half of a brown-black couple since my fiance is African American…and we’ll have (God-willing) beautiful “half-breed” dark brown children with curly hair :-)

Oh,…and Anna, I too was told not to bring home a “kala” (karamban, in malu-speak) or a “puerto rican” or a “hindu” (being raised in a Catholic home)…. Needless to say, my folks are pissed…and to top it off, my sister married a Hindu! Aeyooo…What to do, yaar?

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By: taal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-167163 taal Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:23:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-167163 <p>thanks for the response <b>BB</b>. i actually knew a couple like the two of you when I was in high school. they were very popular love birds and no one at school ever seemed to care or notice that she was african american or he was indian :)</p> <p>on another note, i just found out that i have the chance to see padma's ex, <b>mr. rushdie</b>, speak next week. i will let you guys know the deal if i have the chance to go!</p> thanks for the response BB. i actually knew a couple like the two of you when I was in high school. they were very popular love birds and no one at school ever seemed to care or notice that she was african american or he was indian :)

on another note, i just found out that i have the chance to see padma’s ex, mr. rushdie, speak next week. i will let you guys know the deal if i have the chance to go!

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By: luna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-166962 luna Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:17:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-166962 <p>"If you say so. Not worth arguing. btw, are you really an RRS feed?</p> <p>I dont know what that is."</p> <p>I meant RSS feed. Still wondering....</p> “If you say so. Not worth arguing. btw, are you really an RRS feed?

I dont know what that is.”

I meant RSS feed. Still wondering….

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By: bb http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-166900 bb Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:22:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-166900 <h1>387 taal</h1> <p>a) the closest thing i got to that advice was that american girls, in general, were no good. this was principally from extended family members.</p> <p>b) my family and my wife get along extremely well. i am a christian and so is my wife. having the same religious background really helped, but mostly it was how long we were together--we started dating in high school. during those years, my wife and my family grew close and she was basically considered a daughter-/sister-in-law long before we were actually married.</p> <p>c) i was born in india, but grew up in the states having come here at a pretty young age.</p> 387 taal

a) the closest thing i got to that advice was that american girls, in general, were no good. this was principally from extended family members.

b) my family and my wife get along extremely well. i am a christian and so is my wife. having the same religious background really helped, but mostly it was how long we were together–we started dating in high school. during those years, my wife and my family grew close and she was basically considered a daughter-/sister-in-law long before we were actually married.

c) i was born in india, but grew up in the states having come here at a pretty young age.

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-166876 HMF Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:09:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-166876 <p>I get what you're saying, by the way, according to Michael Eric Dyson, MLK was also influenced by Malcolm's words as well, I'd argue they were moving towards each other. I've already given you quotes that show MLK encouraged black people to relish their black identity, and use it as a source of self-determination. I don't completely equate black nationalism with 'black superiority, yacub nonsense, etc..."</p> <p><i>yes, that's what i'm saying</i></p> <p>WEll, I dont buy it. I think EM was just pandering to the crowd in some sense, he knew his constituents would not be too up on reconnecting with the African peoples. EM himself made a trip to mecca (where he changed the names of NOI facilities from muslim temples to muslim mosques), but didn't alter his thinking in the same way malcolm did, because he was more concerned about power rather than realizing the truth.</p> <p><i>no, i did not mean "significant."</i></p> <p>Significant enough to mention obviously. There, I can't agree with you. state law.</p> I get what you’re saying, by the way, according to Michael Eric Dyson, MLK was also influenced by Malcolm’s words as well, I’d argue they were moving towards each other. I’ve already given you quotes that show MLK encouraged black people to relish their black identity, and use it as a source of self-determination. I don’t completely equate black nationalism with ‘black superiority, yacub nonsense, etc…”

yes, that’s what i’m saying

WEll, I dont buy it. I think EM was just pandering to the crowd in some sense, he knew his constituents would not be too up on reconnecting with the African peoples. EM himself made a trip to mecca (where he changed the names of NOI facilities from muslim temples to muslim mosques), but didn’t alter his thinking in the same way malcolm did, because he was more concerned about power rather than realizing the truth.

no, i did not mean “significant.”

Significant enough to mention obviously. There, I can’t agree with you. state law.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/13/but_what_will_t/comment-page-9/#comment-166875 Manju Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:55:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4724#comment-166875 <blockquote>unless you're saying Elijah Muhammed's lack of attention to the African people is somehow indicative of colorism</blockquote> <p>yes, that's what i'm saying</p> <blockquote>if you mean in part, as in "a significant part", signficant enough to mention anyway), </blockquote> <p>no, i did not mean "significant."</p> unless you’re saying Elijah Muhammed’s lack of attention to the African people is somehow indicative of colorism

yes, that’s what i’m saying

if you mean in part, as in “a significant part”, signficant enough to mention anyway),

no, i did not mean “significant.”

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